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[RBS66]

I'm a 13 RT LTD Owner and up until now have been very lucky but the past few weeks the front glove box on my bike has been getting very warm and the center bar under the seat. Warm enough you don't want to touch it with a bare hand. My fuel mileage has been really bad and I do not drive over 60 inmost cases. I'm wondering if my fuel actually isn't boiling that's why it's so bad. 21 and 22 in most cases. Anyone else noticing the same ?


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My bike is the same. I experienced this in the summer month's.

 

[03hdjill]

Hey BRP Cares.....What about ALL 2013s????? (not just the RT)

Please don't get mad. I am not trying to hijack this thread.

Hi cuznjohn,

I'd like to make a couple of corrections to this:



We're going to continue to support our vehicles. What I reiterated was that we(not just me!) are working to make sure that all 2013 RT owners are happy with their vehicles. Yes, the 2014s are out, but we're not at all losing sight of the 2013s.

​PLEASE
#### I hope you are working to make sure ALL 2013 owners are happy. What about the ST owners? ​We have issues with our Spyders that need to be addressed.

Certain machines can seem to put out different temperature ranges than other, identical ones - while this is normal, the reports of heat above and beyond a certain level are definitely the first ones I'd like to see addressed. Remember that any vehicle emits some heat, and that what's "normal" for one rider can be qualified as "excessive" for the next.



I don't know exactly when any information will make its way downstream, nor can I comment on what any potential means to address the aforementioned concerns will consist of.



It really does, especially with that yellow! It's one of the fastest colors.

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

The heat issues DO include the ST and RT series but the RS don't seem to have the issues, maybe better airflow because of less Tupperware? A warm glove box and even warmer metal parts under the seat is not an indication of the extreme heat issues some are having. Don't forget that there is an engine down in there and it will get things heated up! Extreme cases are including... really hot plastic body parts and really hot fuel tank and cap, Boiling fuel with serious fume smell, Hot butt or extreme seat temps, damaged cell phones or mp3 players placed in the glove box, melted parts (after the recall) and some have even had weird brake issues. There may be more or you may only have a few of these but this in no way means every 13 model has this problem so don't put people in a panic. I personally have rode with other 13 RT owners and they have none of these issues, weird?
Also if you have a hot right foot issue this is NOT what we are talking about! Heat blowing on the right foot can happen there is a radiator up there you know.

 

[03hdjill]

The heat issues DO include the ST and RT series but the RS don't seem to have the issues, maybe better airflow because of less Tupperware? A warm glove box and even warmer metal parts under the seat is not an indication of the extreme heat issues some are having. Don't forget that there is an engine down in there and it will get things heated up! Extreme cases are including... really hot plastic body parts and really hot fuel tank and cap, Boiling fuel with serious fume smell, Hot butt or extreme seat temps, damaged cell phones or mp3 players placed in the glove box, melted parts (after the recall) and some have even had weird brake issues. There may be more or you may only have a few of these but this in no way means every 13 model has this problem so don't put people in a panic. I personally have rode with other 13 RT owners and they have none of these issues, weird?
Also if you have a hot right foot issue this is NOT what we are talking about! Heat blowing on the right foot can happen there is a radiator up there you know.

The heat issues seemed to have gotten worse after the recall and after 5000 miles the ride became very rough. This is not normal.

I have ridden motorcycles for many years. The last bike I owned was an Electraglide. My Harley was hot. All bikes are hot. NONE of my bikes were at hot as my ST Limited. There is DEFINITELY a difference. Definitely some sort of problem.

 

[Bob Denman]

Steve,
Thanks for the response, and clarifications on a couple of points! :thumbup:
Here's to hoping that solutions are found soon! :cheers:


(Any chance that you could take a look, and see where my bike is?:shocked

 

[BRPcare]

Hi Spyder_Cowgirl and 03hdjill!

... I know there are a number of 2013 ST...

This thread was referring to cuznjohn and mine's conversation regarding his RT, but of course we will continue to support owners of all 2013s, including the ST.

...BRP stepping up and acknowledging...

No - I'm sure you understand that all I'm able to say at this point is that we're going to continue to work closely with owners of 2013 models and provide the same level of support to them that we provide to all of our customers. We want everyone to be happy with their vehicles and are continually looking for ways to address any concerns that might crop up.

However, as soon as we have more information that we're able to share, I will definitely let you know.

 

[NetJunkie]

No - I'm sure you understand that all I'm able to say at this point is that we're going to continue to work closely with owners of 2013 models and provide the same level of support to them that we provide to all of our customers. We want everyone to be happy with their vehicles and are continually looking for ways to address any concerns that might crop up.

However, as soon as we have more information that we're able to share, I will definitely let you know.

That reads like BRP isn't really acknowledging there is a problem but instead are working with people on a case by case basis if you complain enough.

Yes or No... Is there a known heat problem with some Spyders?

Yes or No... Is BRP working on a fix for that? Or is it an "unofficial" fix in that it's on a case by case basis?

 

[BRPcare]

(Any chance that you could take a look, and see where my bike is?:shocked

Hi Bob,

Send me a PM with your contact info, dealer name and model of Spyder.

 

[cuznjohn]

they have

That reads like BRP isn't really acknowledging there is a problem but instead are working with people on a case by case basis if you complain enough.

Yes or No... Is there a known heat problem with some Spyders?

Yes or No... Is BRP working on a fix for that? Or is it an "unofficial" fix in that it's on a case by case basis?

not to talk for steve but they do know that there is a problem but like us they are working on trying to figure out why some bikes are very hot and some not. so i would do process of elimination with the really hot bikes first to see what works than apply it to all the 13's to stop any further problems

 

[Bob Denman]

Hi Bob,

Send me a PM with your contact info, dealer name and model of Spyder.

PM sent... Thanks! :thumbup:

 

[napper39]

all of the 13s have the same heat proublem,the ons that say they dont are riding like me i dont ride any longer than 1 hour at a time ,so the other people that are riding 200 300 miles at a time are the ones that are feeling the heat thats burining them,so please brp get a fix that will fix all of us.:chat:

 

[OJ UK]

OK. Here I am sitting thousands of miles away in the UK. We don't get the kind of high ambient temperatures that
are frequently experienced in the US. But I've been following this thread with interest, not because I have an
affected 2013 model, but to try and learn what BRP's guys are prepared to do about this and any other
similar situation which may occur.

In the UK there is legislation that would protect the consumer from potentially dangerous situations developing.
So if there was any chance of, for instance, a brake master cylinder becoming damaged due to what appears to be
a design flaw, and if it affects even less than 1% of the production of a specific model, it is deemed to be a flaw
and then the manufacturer would be required to identify the problem and make modifications available to remedy
that. The modifications must be proven engineering solutions that address the problem in a professional manner.

Thus, it's good to see a BRP representative coming on to a owners forum to reassure BRP's customers, who have invested
their money in BRP's products. A solution must be found for this potentially dangerous problem. Temperatures in the
engine compartment should never reach a level that is likely to compromise the integrity of other components let alone
be a severe heat hazard. Boiling fuel in the tank is something that simply should not occur for reasons that are obvious
to any competent engineer.

Well done Steve for doing your best to allay any fears that people may have.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

WOW

all of the 13s have the same heat proublem,the ons that say they dont are riding like me i dont ride any longer than 1 hour at a time ,so the other people that are riding 200 300 miles at a time are the ones that are feeling the heat thats burining them,so please brp get a fix that will fix all of us.:chat:

Amazing how you know all the ryding habits of everyone that owns a 2013! You couldn't be more wrong. I routinely (every week) run longer than that without heat issues. Best to stay away from blanket statements that, include all, every etc.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Thanks for the Corrections

Hi cuznjohn,

I'd like to make a couple of corrections to this:



We're going to continue to support our vehicles. What I reiterated was that we(not just me!) are working to make sure that all 2013 RT owners are happy with their vehicles. Yes, the 2014s are out, but we're not at all losing sight of the 2013s.



Certain machines can seem to put out different temperature ranges than other, identical ones - while this is normal, the reports of heat above and beyond a certain level are definitely the first ones I'd like to see addressed. Remember that any vehicle emits some heat, and that what's "normal" for one rider can be qualified as "excessive" for the next.



I don't know exactly when any information will make its way downstream, nor can I comment on what any potential means to address the aforementioned concerns will consist of.



It really does, especially with that yellow! It's one of the fastest colors.

Amazing how one person can spin information off into a completely inaccurate directions. Thanks for clarifying all of the inaccuracies and misquotes. Also thanks for checking in on the subject. Are you folks really looking for solutions for 2013? I hope so.

 

[frenchek]

heatI

all of the 13s have the same heat proublem,the ons that say they dont are riding like me i dont ride any longer than 1 hour at a time ,so the other people that are riding 200 300 miles at a time are the ones that are feeling the heat thats burining them,so please brp get a fix that will fix all of us.:chat:

THAT STATEMENT IS TOTALLY OF BASE, AT LEAST FOR ME, I HAVE GONE HUNDREDS OF MILES WITH MANY BACK TO BACK FILL UPS AND HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED THE HEAT PROBLEMS OTHERS HAVE ENCOUNTERED. GRANTED, I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK THE HEAT ON THE FOOT IS A HEAT PROBLEM, ITS NOT, BOILING GAS AND MELTED PARTS ARE. MY 2013 RT IS FINE AS I'M SURE OTHER ONES ARE, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON WITH OTHERS AND I THINK BRP WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS.

 

[Sarge707]

THAT STATEMENT IS TOTALLY OF BASE, AT LEAST FOR ME, I HAVE GONE HUNDREDS OF MILES WITH MANY BACK TO BACK FILL UPS AND HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED THE HEAT PROBLEMS OTHERS HAVE ENCOUNTERED. GRANTED, I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK THE HEAT ON THE FOOT IS A HEAT PROBLEM, ITS NOT, BOILING GAS AND MELTED PARTS ARE. MY 2013 RT IS FINE AS I'M SURE OTHER ONES ARE, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON WITH OTHERS AND I THINK BRP WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS.

How Long is it going to take ? Maybe 2015 or 2016?
If I had a Affected Heat Problem I would have already done the CT Lemon Law procedure and got a settlement because I would have left it at the dealer until it was fixed and after a certain period of Not being fixed my case would have been submitted to the State!!nojoke


Having purchased 13 Sea Doo,s over the last 25 years I have been a Great supporter of BRP in different Forums and will continue to be BUT these people with affected Spyder,s need a resolution and they need it sooner than Later!!!nojoke

 

[Dan McNally]

opcorn:ray:

 

[cuznjohn]

between us

Amazing how one person can spin information off into a completely inaccurate directions. Thanks for clarifying all of the inaccuracies and misquotes. Also thanks for checking in on the subject. Are you folks really looking for solutions for 2013? I hope so.

i really don't think i spun the comments off to far, i expressed what i thought he said as far as he is working on the problem, so i generalized the comments he said and when he cleared it up for me it was not that far off

 

[jcthorne]

all of the 13s have the same heat proublem,the ons that say they dont are riding like me i dont ride any longer than 1 hour at a time ,so the other people that are riding 200 300 miles at a time are the ones that are feeling the heat thats burining them,so please brp get a fix that will fix all of us.:chat:

I don't think it has much to do with length of ride at all. At least for me, I could take a several hour ride and never have a problem. As long as I was moving most of the time at a pretty good clip. BUT get stuck in traffic for 15 minutes and it was gas fume cloud time. EVERY time. It was a very simple problem. Low air flow plus excessive heat under the Tupperware = boiling gas in the steel un-insulated tank.

BRP knows full well what the problems are. They went to great lengths to correct them in the 2014s. What they do not know is how to fix them for pennies on the 13s. Any solution that costs hundreds to thousands of dollars per unit in parts and labor is not going to be considered. I have no easy answer for BRP either. Its an inherent design defect and the market has already spoken. There is currently a $10,000 difference in price new between a 2013 and 2014 Spyder RT. My gut feel is that BRP will 'study' and 'support' the issue until such time that all the 13s have been traded or sold to owners willing to fix the problems themselves because of the drastically lower cost of ownership. They have band-aided the symptom that caused outright fires so are pretty much off the hook safety wise unless something else comes up. What remains is merely comfort and machine longevity issues. I bet the cost to fix these machines long term will be far cheaper than the upfront costs in remedying the problems now. They have looked at those numbers and the penny pinchers have spoken. If it were not about the money, the problems would already be solved.

Sorry if I sound negative. The truth is, wife and I are actually in the process of buying a second 13 RT for her. The heat issues have driven the prices lower than they ever will be again. Under 20k for brand new RT-S will not happen again folks. We plan to do the same fixes to hers that I have done along with the 5yr BRP warranty. My bike is a whoot to ride. Just sorry I had to fix it myself. I may still need to add a bit of air flow come summer but that will not be a big deal compared to work already done. The fix is pretty close if not complete now.

 

[belowme29]

The only heat problem I have on my 2013 RT Ltd is my bottom gets real warm and i'm not sure if it's due to the heat from the seat or lack of air flow. Will be interesting
to see what BRP comes up with. Thanks Cuz for sharing the info.

I have a 2008 Spyder, and I use to get "swamp ass" because of the heat from the seat. So I did some research and found that they have beaded seats for this issue. Take a look at this site -

http://www.beadrider.com/

Did not purchase one, but modified a car bead seat to fit my Spyder and its like someone placed an A/C unit in my seat. It was HEAVEN!!

Hope this helps.