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It has been posted that Much of the problem was preparing the Frame a Year in advance to ease the transition to the 2014 engine. This has apparently backfired and the owners who paid Hard Earned $$ (Or who are still making payments for a Spyder they can,t or hate to ride) are the ones who are suffering daily!!! Its just Not right!
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Sorry; this has all been said about a jillion times now...
 
Hi, I too have a 2013 ST-S model and am in Canada. I purchased the demo model Sept. 12, 2013, the week the recall happened. Of cousre I wasn't aware of the recall till after I purchased it. I wasn't able to pick up my bike until they did the recall. Once picked up,within my first week of riding approx an hour of riding in the early evening I burnt my inner thigh while wearing chaps. I had it trailered back to the dealer. They called BRP and they were told that this heat was normal and there was nothing they can do. (This is what the dealer told me), however, they are a reputable dealer and offered to wrap the exhaust pipe for me at no charge to see if that would help. So I let them wrap it. Once the bike was back home I took the bike out to work approx 30 minutes, 6:30 am couldn't feel anything as it was quite cool out however, on the ride home in higher temps in stop and go traffic felt like I was burning my leg again. I then had a friend put some heat insulation on the sides for me as he could not believe how hot it was getting. It helped reduce the heat somewhat, however, by now we were in October with cooler weather so it was hard to tell if this worked. He also inserted a panel to try to deflect the heat which he made. In November, I purchase highway pegs and had my friend install it. He noticed I had an oil leak and suggest I trailer to his spyder dealer. They have been busy working on snowmobiles so they have had my bike now since December and installed lights which I purchased and are taking a look now at the oil leak. A week ago or so they called me and said I have melted parts on my bike. They weren't specific what parts were melted and I didn't ask I am at the point that I am so disappointed with myself in putting out more money than I spend on a car on a spyder to have these issues on a bike that I purchased with only 800 kilometers on it. I have not contacted BRP direct as I'm hoping the dealers are going to be working with me through this. The dealer it is currently at now said that there is a 2nd recall (the one Flamingo babe (Charlene) was referring to as she heard it from me., the dealer said the first recall was some sort of tape they used to act like a bandaid but it did not work for all bikes, some now need some sort of plate. So He has this on order and I won't be able to find out if this will resolve the issues for me as I'm in Ontario with a lot of snow so can't ride right now. I love my bike but I'll admit I'm extremely nervous of its reliability especially when I hear of others speaking of their 2013 issues. I have a trip planned to Ohio in May and one to Maggie valley in August. I will be riding all the way, I don't own a trailer and I have put 25K into this bike minimum with accessories, to have parts melting when I wouldn't have known if it wasn't for my friend finding the oil leak.....well it makes me very unsettled and am hoping this plate will be a final fix and I can ride without issues. I have not had issues with the right foot side, mine has all been on the left, heat where my leg leans against the side. Since installing the insulation on the inner panels most of the heat seems to radiate from under the seat near the gas tank. I hope come Spring when I'm riding again I can post and say all has been fixed. Fingers and toes crossed!
Oh prior to this I have been riding motorcycles for several years and do realize bikes get hot, however, you could probably fry and egg off of mine, that can't be normal.
 
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Take a look at what CuznJohn and MagDave have done to their bikes... It ought to give you some ideas for some help! :2thumbs:
(There are other folks in here also that have done a lot of work; I'm simply more aware of their endeavors...)
 
":agree: It has been posted that Much of the problem was preparing the Frame a Year in advance to ease the transition to the 2014 engine. This has apparently backfired and the owners who paid Hard Earned $$ (Or who are still making payments for a Spyder they can,t or hate to ride) are the ones who are suffering daily!!! Its just Not right! nojoke"

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Sorry; this has all been said about a jillion times now...

And it needs to be said "Over and Over" Till there is a real fix! Not a band Aid!!
 
why is it that i have heat and some don't, now should all 13 owners have the update or just the ones that have heat. if your bike is running good and you don't have heat will you do the update on the bike or just leave well enough alone. do you think that the update will give the bike and parts a longer life span. all the bikes came off the same assembly line and the same software so why is there a difference in bikes.

The heat could be due to some bikes running lean. Who is to say that all 2013's are running the same FI map? They may have changed that mid-year. I assure you that changes like this happen all the time during production. It could be that the new ECM change brings all bikes up to a richer mapping. I have no heat, so it is possible I already have this map. My bike was a late production unit from April 2013. That is my guess.
 
":agree: It has been posted that Much of the problem was preparing the Frame a Year in advance to ease the transition to the 2014 engine. This has apparently backfired and the owners who paid Hard Earned $$ (Or who are still making payments for a Spyder they can,t or hate to ride) are the ones who are suffering daily!!! Its just Not right! nojoke"

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Sorry; this has all been said about a jillion times now...

Seriously that is just wrong :yikes:
 
I have actually been a pretty ardent supporter of the efforts to find solutions...
But yelling from the safety of a computer monitor, for a Corporation to do something... just seems like peeing into the wind... :shocked:

I would venture the guess that everybody in here thinks that BRP should do "something..."
I would also imagine that BRP already knows that we all feel that way...
Hence; the :bdh:
So why not look for solutions; rather than tenderize the nag anymore?
 
The heat could be due to some bikes running lean. Who is to say that all 2013's are running the same FI map? They may have changed that mid-year. I assure you that changes like this happen all the time during production. It could be that the new ECM change brings all bikes up to a richer mapping. I have no heat, so it is possible I already have this map. My bike was a late production unit from April 2013. That is my guess.

Well that don't hold water because mine was made May of 13 and I do have the heat issues but there could be variables in the mapping? If your not having any heat issues are you still going to get the update? I am curious to read reports from people that get the new programming. Some have already received it and they are saying it works wonders for the dead idle throttle response and makes the engine "peppier" now we just need the new software on somebodies bike that has the heat issues. Maybe FB will get it soon since hers is going back for exhaust repairs.
 
Well that don't hold water because mine was made May of 13 and I do have the heat issues but there could be variables in the mapping?

Anything is possible, but since they have a new ECM update that addresses the heat issue, it still tells me the hot bikes are running lean. I pulled my plugs recently and I would say that one plug was normal and the other was rich which is what I suspected since I did not melt any parts, have boiling gas or have excessive heat. I've got 4500 miles on mine and have ridden numerous times in 90+ degree heat for extended periods of time.

If your not having any heat issues are you still going to get the update?

I am on the fence about that right now. I put that question in to the Dyno Jet tech support as I am in the process of adding a PCV with AutoTune. I would think that the update would do nothing for me because the PCV will be running the show. I'll see what Dyno Jet says before making a final decision.
 
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the same question about getting the update done if you don't have heat problems, i would guess it is standard to hook the bike up to buds when service is done, so the update will be automatic. and if you don't get it done will the warranty be covered if you don't have it done. they want all the bikes running the same so i would think you have to have it done
 
I have actually been a pretty ardent supporter of the efforts to find solutions...
But yelling from the safety of a computer monitor, for a Corporation to do something... just seems like peeing into the wind... :shocked:

I would venture the guess that everybody in here thinks that BRP should do "something..."
I would also imagine that BRP already knows that we all feel that way...
Hence; the :bdh:
So why not look for solutions; rather than tenderize the nag anymore?

I think the relevant phrase is; "Preaching to the converted."

Really, there's no point in telling the folks here that there is a problem....WE know that there is.

We also know that at least one person from BRP reads this forum. So what now needs to be done is for all those who think that
the problems with the 2013 RTs must be rectified with no further cost to themselves ( perfectly understandable) is to engage
in a serious dialog with BRP.
 
the same question about getting the update done if you don't have heat problems, i would guess it is standard to hook the bike up to buds when service is done, so the update will be automatic. and if you don't get it done will the warranty be covered if you don't have it done. they want all the bikes running the same so i would think you have to have it done

If I wasn't adding the PCV and since my bike is running fine, I would not be signing up to get the ECM update no matter what. After the results are in, as far as whether the ECM change has helped those with heat problems, only then would I consider it in my case.
 
If I wasn't adding the PCV and since my bike is running fine, I would not be signing up to get the ECM update no matter what. After the results are in, as far as whether the ECM change has helped those with heat problems, only then would I consider it in my case.

Could be that if you get the "update" your bike could go way too rich with the PCV. Good call on asking them, they may have to update their maps as well to follow the BRP update??
I have had my plus out and my front plug is white and the rear is "new white"... lean I bet!
 
Could be that if you get the "update" your bike could go way too rich with the PCV. Good call on asking them, they may have to update their maps as well to follow the BRP update??

If you're running with just the PCV, then I think you're right because for the two maps that Dyno Jet offers for the Spyder, they had to start with an OEM map. I would think that putting a new OEM map on the Spyder would alter the Dyno Jet map. The AutoTune should compensate for the change though which is why I'm playing it safe and adding it.

I have had my plus out and my front plug is white and the rear is "new white"... lean I bet!

There you go. You'll probably want to get in line for the new ECM update.
 
I think the relevant phrase is; "Preaching to the converted."

Really, there's no point in telling the folks here that there is a problem....WE know that there is.

We also know that at least one person from BRP reads this forum. So what now needs to be done is for all those who think that
the problems with the 2013 RTs must be rectified with no further cost to themselves ( perfectly understandable) is to engage
in a serious dialog with BRP.

The voice of reason.

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If you're running with just the PCV, then I think you're right because for the two maps that Dyno Jet offers for the Spyder, they had to start with an OEM map. I would think that putting a new OEM map on the Spyder would alter the Dyno Jet map. The AutoTune should compensate for the change though which is why I'm playing it safe and adding it.



There you go. You'll probably want to get in line for the new ECM update.


Doesn't the aftermarket PCV module take over the ignition and fuel management chores or just enhance what the factory one does?

The Auto Tune is different story but like the plug and play with maps preloaded they are the maps the bike runs off so why would the factory MAP have any impact?
 
Doesn't the aftermarket PCV module take over the ignition and fuel management chores or just enhance what the factory one does?

The Auto Tune is different story but like the plug and play with maps preloaded they are the maps the bike runs off so why would the factory MAP have any impact?
The PCV is supplemental on the Spyder, the way I understand it. Maybe I am wrong...
 
Doesn't the aftermarket PCV module take over the ignition and fuel management chores or just enhance what the factory one does?

The Auto Tune is different story but like the plug and play with maps preloaded they are the maps the bike runs off so why would the factory MAP have any impact?

I think it matters based on the factory map that Dyno Jet used to create the new maps that they distribute with the PCV. So for the new map coming with the ECM update, the current maps were not based off that because they did not exist. I think this impacts the PCV only and not the AutoTune because the AutoTune will adjust - the PCV by iteself can't - so I think Dyno Jet would need to create new maps.

The PCV is supplemental on the Spyder, the way I understand it. Maybe I am wrong...

The PCV plugs inline, but my understanding is it replaces the OEM map altogether. You have to load your desired map into the PCV or you have to take the bike to a tuning center and have them create one. The bike will then run off that map as you also have total control of the settings using their software. The AutoTune then collects adjustments that should be made to the PCV map and you have to periodically update the PCV map with those adjustments and that then becomes the base map and the AutoTune continues to adjust from there. It sounds complicated, but you just open the seat, connect the PCV to a USB port on a laptop, look at what they call the "TRIM" tables on the AutoTune and then just tell it to commit them. I plan to do it weekly until the AutoTune gets things where they need to be.
 
Just to clarify my comments on the AutoTune. The AutoTune will automatically make adjustments to the PCV map on the fly, but it can't make adjustments greater than 20% over the base map that is in the PCV. That is why you periodically need to update the base map in the PCV with the AutoTune "TRIM" adjustments. Once the PCV map is updated, the AutoTune can then start again with a clean slate.
 
I would guess your driving style will be pretty consistent within the first 500 miles so I would think the adjustments would be almost non existent unless you have some severe elevation changes or something like that.

So once you see what MAP is working well you should share it with non geek types so we can use it..............:pray:

I say that "geek types" in loving way my daughter is software engineer in training. Last year of college and testing software as an intern.....:clap:
 
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