NOT happy with BRP

[DrewNJ]

I'm enjoying my ride and have no issues with it.

And I totally agree that forums have more bad stories than they do good....by a long shot.


But in this case it "seems" unacceptable what is happening....and that is said from the standpoint of knowing 1/10th of what is really going on. lol


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We all hate to see what FB has gone through with her Spyder and want to see things work out. However, I have a hard time sympathizing in this particular situation. This seems to be more a wriling of the troops since the super secret negotiations didn't go as hoped. Negotiations that would have benefited one person at the expense of secrecy.
Not my style.....

I guess I've always been the type that life is to short. If I had the same issues I would have gotten out of spyders and moved on. Its a hobby that is supposed to bring pleasure. Life is to short, fight the battles worth fighting.......again, that's just me.

Good luck FB. I sincerely mean that!

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[jcthorne]

If you do record, you best apprise the other party that the conversation is being recorded. To do it with an "unknowing party" is a felony (at least in the State of Flarda).

Chris

Not for private conversations where the other party calls you. It is illegal in some states to make the recording public, but using it as evidence or record of conversation between the two parties is not illegal as long as ONE of the two parties is aware of the recording. IE you cannot record the conversations of others but you can record YOURS. Its federal law, not state and enforced by the FCC.

If you use a cell phone, there are apps to do the recording for you.

As BRP has demonstrated many times over, they have a very bad case of selective memory, recording reminders of how conversations really went is prudent.

I fully believe FB heard what she was told. I also believe that the person posting as BRPCare did review notes from the conversation and believes the intent was different. As he was not the person that had the conversation with FB, even he does not know. No matter the specifics of the conversation, she is at least entitled to the cost of the recovery of the bike back to Houston. About $1k at the current IRS rates for truck transport. (its higher than passenger cars). If what she is talking about is close to that range, she would be very much entitled.

As far as I can see, they did not even finish repairs to her bike, leaving much to hubby to finish repairing due to BRP's failure.


Now how has BRP assisted? They have not even held up their end of the warranty in this case.

 

[hotglue]

We have never wanted more than for FB's bike to run right... all the rest is fluff.... BUT... we will not be lied to and take it lying down. If we had been told the truth it would be a non issue... We are still hopeful that the patch to the ECM will help with the cooking of the parts of the engine under the covers. It will be this summer before we really know. Would love to have the bike on the road rather than dealing with all of this. Very Disappointed in our dealings with brp.

 

[Yazz]

As I look into my thinking cap, I predict this thread will be closed soon.



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Don't think so... FlamingoBabe has had problems most of the time she has had this ST. They are legit and the issues need to be addressed. The problem is, each time it's something new melting away or falling off. A poorly made Spyder indeed.

BRP asked her to test drive one of their new ST's before they went into production. Her reports on how she liked the ST sold many '13 ST's. BRP owes her for that at least. Instead they are treating her poorly.

This squeaky wheel needs some grease...

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Snoopy, if you want to read some harsh threads, search DPS failure. It happened in the early years. Your DPS is something you don't want funking out on you...

 

[bluestratos]

I honestly believe BRP is trying hard but like any big machine there some disconnects depending on who you speaking to, how they apply their training, what side of the bed they woke up on and, well you get the point. I have had good results, so-so results and poor results in some of the dealings I had with my last bike but then I seem to have bought the problem child with that RT, lol. I have had very similar results with car dealers, other motorcycle brands, electronics etc. There is no question in my mind that BRP has their head in the sand at times but I would give them a B+ overall.

I think part of the problems I encountered was that the model had only been on the market for a year and it was very clearly going through growing pains. My dealer has worked hard to work things through to my satisfaction (ie made timely warranty repairs, spoken with BRP tech's to resolve technical issues). There are couple things I would pass onto BRP if they wanted some honest feed back about the product and the customer service:

1. Try to think outside of the box, when I discovered my paint had problems that continued to worsen over time I was given a flat.. "paint is only warrantied at the time of purchase". if that is the case the dealer should make it clear to the buyer to inspect and sign off before leaving or..... be a bit more flexible as it was the dealer that looked at the paint and said they should contact BRP for a new Hood. That being said, if paint starts to blister off this hard line approach is not conducive to good relations

2. The technician should never have suggested there may be some compensation to Flamingo Babe if this is not policy. As I said, I too received a similar suggestion so I know it cheapens the relationship.
3. If they know a something is failing to perform they should not leave the customer to breakdown then make the repairs. I am refereeing to the throttle bodies, sensors and the likes that leave the customer stranded on the side of the road miles form home... (the RT is a touring model after all). Yes it will cost to be proactive but I guarantee you the bad publicly cost much more.
4. Find a "Carlos" to put back in mix, he was an exceptional customer service person and defused a lot of issues before they flared up. His replacement (I won't mention names) was very poor at the job. I am not sure there is someone in that seat at all now, is there?

These bikes are ahead of their time so it really is a concern to hear someone say they are not going to buy because of an issue. BRP is watching and learning and really tries to make things right. I like to think they understand this is a luxury purchase targeting a more experienced generation. We have acquired a few spare dollars and have life's experience behind us. The good fortune ones have retired early and want to see some country while sitting on their beautiful piece of technology.

Think about it, I had more problems than I care to mention with my 2011 but came back and bought 14, that must say something! lol.

 

[twain]

I feel your pain Charlyne ad my ST Limited was the same.

 

[BajaRon]

Ouch.. Wow! and OH NO! This one hurts everyone.

I know FB and she is not vindictive or out to get a 'Free Lunch'. She's taken it in the shorts more than once on this merry-go-round and she has been as positive as I think a person could be about it. She actually got some negative feedback some time ago for being so positive after her multiple negative experiences. I have to believe that was largely based on her confidence in BRP's resolve to make things right.

Not ruling out some kind of communication misunderstanding. I wasn't there. But I'd think, at this stage, things would be pretty much Black and White with everything on the table and clear to all parties. This has been going on for some time. Looking in from the outside it seems that someone should have been able to make a decision by now, pull the trigger, get it done and move on.

It's pretty ugly when the cheerleaders start to rag on the team...

I know that both the players and fans simply want this to be resolved. That is the only possible light at the end of this tunnel.

This can still turn out reasonably well. I hope that it does.

 

[SNOOPY]

Don't think so... FlamingoBabe has had problems most of the time she has had this ST. They are legit and the issues need to be addressed. The problem is, each time it's something new melting away or falling off. A poorly made Spyder indeed.

BRP asked her to test drive one of their new ST's before they went into production. Her reports on how she liked the ST sold many '13 ST's. BRP owes her for that at least. Instead they are treating her poorly.

This squeaky wheel needs some grease...

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Snoopy, if you want to read some harsh threads, search DPS failure. It happened in the early years. Your DPS is something you don't want funking out on you...

My point was that it seems when threads get too harsh "against BRP" on this forum they mysteriously get closed.


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[Yazz]

My point was that it seems when threads get too harsh "against BRP" on this forum they mysteriously get closed.


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Nope, Lamont is a fair man. What needs to be told, is.

You didn't search DPS failure.

Those threads were hard to read, but true.

 

[ARtraveler]

I sincerely hope that FB can get the problem worked out to her satisfaction. I spoke very strongly early on in the thread and after reading many more opinions on both sides, still feel pretty much the same way.

I have been an uncompensated supporter of the product. To date, I have received one phone call from BRP and a gift certificate thanking me for my support to the product. The certificate bought me 1/2 of a farkle for the 2011. I have purchased as many, or more :spyder2:"s than most. Four to date. I have spent a lot of money on farkels and all that goes with owning and maintaining a :ani29:.

To date, I have been one of the "lucky" ones. None of my :spyder2:'s have been mechanical nightmares like some have experienced. The small glitches that came up were taken care of by the dealer, and my problems never had to be fixed or solved by BRP. EDIT: What is happening here between FB and BRP is somewhat unnerving to me. I do not think that I would be as patient or understanding--given the length of term of the problem, and the resolution thereof.

Up until the last year, I have had nothing but kudos for my dealer. They went through some service department issues, and I had good and bad happen last season. Don't know what this season will bring, but I am hoping things will go smoothly. If I lose my dealership support network, I am out of luck here in Alaska. I am not mechanical enough to work on the :spyder2: and have no place to go other than the place I use now.

I have complained, yes, but am not recommending a boycott or cancellation of purchase orders for new product. That is a decision each has to make for themselves.

I wanted a new 2014 RTS but the dealer failed to order any of that model. I became ticked off enough to cancel. I did not want to wait an additional two months for them to re-order. In the interim, I broke down and tried to negotiate on one of the two 2014 LTD's that are in the pipe. Apparently, negotiations broke down there. They were supposed to call me back a week ago Tuesday (Feb 11th) with a quote. No call, I guess I was not destined to get a new 2014 Spyder number five. I am really done with that process now. I would say that after two attempts--someone shot themselves in the foot.

It is sad to see from time to time that problems don't get solved quickly enough to prevent threads like this from hitting the site.

 

[Spiderwoman]

I am another disappointed BRP customer.

:agree: Not too happy either - I have not received any response from BRP....Sorry to hear they did that to you. My issue is minor, just the lack of response to a question - but it does make you think if BRP "cares" or not!!

You would think a company that sells EXPENSIVE motorcycles would have the courtesy to satisfy their customers. I had purchased a 2012 RT Limited and now have a 2014 RT Limited. I sent a simple private message to BRPcare on 2-11-14 (maybe they don't respond to private messages, even though they are a member of the forum??) just to ask what range of 2014's RT's (VIN/Build Date) have the oil leak issue -- just trying to be proactive here as I have not had the chance to ryde it due to this stinkin' weather here -- zero miles on this beauty. Anyway, it was a very easy task (I would think) to reply to a customer who bought TWO RT Limited's within a year......NO RESPONSE from BRPcare (it's been about a week). I just don't get it. :shocked::shocked::shocked::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Your treatment by BRP Care sounds similar to mine. I also have minor issues with my new 2012RS that have not been resolved and did contact BRP Care by PM on SL. My first message was sent by me on 1/26 and read by the Rep on 1/28.NO RESPONSE. I sent a follow-up message again on 1/30 to update on status of my Spyder having received word from the service department they were trying to fix some of the issues. Again...NO RESPONSE.
My second message was not even read. Like you....I am not impressed and having followed all the problems that FB has experienced and the treatment she has received. It appears that longstanding customers are of no great importance to BRP.

 

[oldguyinTX]

nAMES

Which BRP Rep was it?
At this point; I'd be naming names, dates and times of the conversations...:gaah:

Disclosing name/times will serve no purpose. The person that I spoke with initially, a "representative of the CEO" is not the person that I spoke with today. This is their tactic. Start with one person,then have to start all over again with another. BRP has no interest in supporting Owners that have legitimate issues with their Spyders. I love my Spyder RT and wish that my wife and I could ride it on long trips without fear of a breakdown. Unfortunately, I seem doomed to only ride locally on a $29K machine that is touted as a long distance touring bike that I am nervous about riding more than riding more than about 50 miles from home, that is if my wife agrees to ride with me.

 

[owens9fingers]

Make It Right !

My decision to buy a 2014 RT-S .................. is on Hold now. Don't like the way my friends are being treated !! :lecturef_smilie:

 

[Jim&Teresa]

My decision to buy a 2014 RT-S .................. is on Hold now. Don't like the way my friends are being treated !! :lecturef_smilie:

We really enjoyed our 2012 RT Limited last year and put 7,650 miles on it without any issues, i.e. getting stalled, stranded, etc. It was very reliable. I had the dealer address a couple of items and BRP honored warranty on one of them.

I just purchased a 2014 RT Limited to enjoy more of a "cruising" experience with a better powertrain. Anyway, the main point I am saying "do what you feel will make YOU happy". I have been frustrated with BRP's lack of response to my questions at times, but my dealer has always come through (lucky me).

BRP must be experiencing growing pains or their culture is not what we expect it to be. They need to be more customer centric and respond better to customer concerns without giving away the store. I don't want anything of monetary value from them when I contacted them, I just wanted an answer to a question. MOST companies honor that and provide a written response to their customer just out of courtesy.

I am not letting that issue get in the way of me and my wife enjoying our 2014 RT Limited just like we enjoyed the 2012 RT limited. Life's too short for that. We really enjoy ryding the Spyder and have done many more things because of that with friends.

Hope you do well in your decision making.....remember, what's important is that YOU are happy with your decision.

My $0.02 worth............good luck! :2thumbs:

 

[hotglue]

I don't want y'all to think I am anti brp... that is not the case... what I want is FB's bike running right!
I am REALLY hoping that the ECM patch will fix the overheating issues we have had.... I'm not talking about .... my leg is hot... I'm talking about melting things in the engine bay.....We will really know the truth this summer... but... as said before.. I will not be lied to and I will not take it laying down...
I am So pleased that many have not have had the issues we have had.!!! and wish you the best!
We are hoping that our issues are resolved!!!!!

 

[spyder3]

BRP = Penny wise & Dollar foolish.

If everyone is serious of thier intentions on this thread on not purchasing a new spyder, it looks like about 5-6 sales may have been lost up to this point. I will research 2 other Reverse trike options before having to settle on another spyder if it comes to that. I have a trouble free 2011 RTL, but the 2014 hits home in the areas I would enjoy with the new engine. This all just gives me a headache.

 

[dndfindley]

After reading this and the other comments I have put my checkbook back in the drawer. I was about to pull the trigger on a RT S. I had become convinced BRP was more responsive then HD. The 2014 TriGlide was in the race but I have experience with HD so decided on the Spyder.

I know HD customer service. I am now wondering it the "devil you know......"

Waiting to hear BRP response AND True follow thru.

Just curious - you state your choices were Spyder RT and HD Triglide. That's it? I have a Spyder but would never consider a traditional trike. That being said if I were in the market for a traditional trike the only choice for me would be the Honda Goldwing. As far as reliability is concerned no one else comes close.

 

[dndfindley]

Most of you know my experience with the Spyder brand. I lurked on this forum for over a year before I pulled the trigger on a 2012 RT. It's been well documented on this forum that I've been very happy with my purchase. My dealer has treated me as royalty and I couldn't be happier. After a year of owning my Spyder and lurking again for almost a year on two Triumph forums I added a 2013 Bonneville T100 to my stable. i just need the two wheel thrill while bumming around town.

So where am I going with this?

It is my opinion that the difference between BRP Customer Service and Triumph Customer Service is NIGHT & DAY. I think BRP support to the dealer is the weakest link in the chain. I can't believe some of the things I hear my fellow Spyder pilots go through to get something resolved, if it is resolved at all. Someone at BRP needs to come to grip with the reality that our perception of their product is dictated by the experiences we have and experiences of others we read here. I feel like I've dodged a bullet. For the money I've spent, I'm not a betting man. If something would happen today and I had to replace the Spyder...it wouldn't be with another Spyder. I don't like the odds, with BRP customer service and dealer support, the risk is overwhelming against me.

Just one more thing. I've noticed on this particular thread and some others like it, that most of the "BRP Friendly" advocates are responding with tones of concern and perhaps BRP's behavior is starting to wear thin on them also.

I believe you hit the nail on the head. I too have a 2012 RT and I believe it to be the most reliable RT of all years produced. It is my second Spyder but I, like you, would not buy another one. I got this one because it is the only thing the wife feels safe on. I've had 2 Yamaha's which were trouble free. My next bike will be a Yamaha FJR 1300.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

As I look into my thinking cap, I predict this thread will be closed soon. .

Is this forum actively monitored? I am absolutely positive I posted a comment earlier today in this thread about quality, in response to another post about quality control. Both are gone. I don't even find it in my recent messages list. Are comments that are negative toward BRP sometimes deleted? I sure hope not. Censoring can stifle free and open discussions.

EDIT: I think I have my answer. My response was probably in another thread and the entire thread has been deleted.

 

[Peoriafirefighter]

FB I sure hope BRP stands behind their word. You have been a loyal customer and a good representative by all the long distance riding you and Mark have done. I like my Spyder but after the transmission went out in Albuquerque and I was stranded there two weeks, I will never ride it long distance again. I'll only trailer it to where I want to ride so I can transport it home when it breaks down. I'll be riding my Goldwing Trike on long distance. The Goldwing Trike with the EZ stear handles great. I like the assurance of the Goldwing that it won't fail me. I've had other Gold wing's and rode all over the country on them with never a problem. Plus the Goldwing is just getting broke in at 200,000 miles. Try getting that kind of mileage with a Spyder.