Juice Box Settings for Hot Weather

[Blinc]

Anyone know what settings might be best for very hot weather?
I'm down here in Florida, in the 90's this week, and for sure many more to come, not to mention the humidity. My Spyder runs like crap when its hot, 4+ bars. Mods are the Hindle and Juice box with green filter. I have messed with the settings, but can't seem to find a happy place for this type of weather. I'm not really concerned about cruising settings, I have more issues on acceleration....bogs down on occassion, sometimes sputters, and this is mostly noticeable when its hot and humid and mostly between shifting from 1st to 2nd gears.
Thanks!

 

[Firefly]

Anyone know what settings might be best for very hot weather?
I'm down here in Florida, in the 90's this week, and for sure many more to come, not to mention the humidity. My Spyder runs like crap when its hot, 4+ bars. Mods are the Hindle and Juice box with green filter. I have messed with the settings, but can't seem to find a happy place for this type of weather. I'm not really concerned about cruising settings, I have more issues on acceleration....bogs down on occassion, sometimes sputters, and this is mostly noticeable when its hot and humid and mostly between shifting from 1st to 2nd gears.
Thanks!

What settings are you at now?

Have you had all the BRP updates done?

Perhaps doc can chime in with his magic settings--since he's in Florida .. although he's running a much more open system.

Also--- VERY important...... make sure settings 5 and 6 are NOT set to the same setting! Those are the settings that set the reaction time of acceleration vs. full throttle... and if they're set the same the JB gets confused and causes engine stutter occasionally.

 

[Campverdefela]

What settings are you at now?

Have you had all the BRP updates done?

Perhaps doc can chime in with his magic settings--since he's in Florida .. although he's running a much more open system.

Also--- VERY important...... make sure settings 5 and 6 are NOT set to the same setting! Those are the settings that set the reaction time of acceleration vs. full throttle... and if they're set the same the JB gets confused and causes engine stutter occasionally.

:agree:Those last two settings are critical, mine are now set at 5=2.5 and 6=4.....I'm in Arizona

 

[RShrimp]

Have you changed the plugs? I changed mine at only 6000 miles and it helped with the missfires (read "ran a lot better")
Also in FL
My settings are .5, 3,6,6,3,4.5 The first or Green is not used in our application.
I have air box gone and HMF pipe
I am not 100% happy with the way it runs but I dont think it is going to be fixed by juice box settings. The bike has an inherant flat spot around 4-4500 RPM and it seems that is always where I am wanting to run it.
65 in 5th gear or 55 in 4th gear. Above 5000 it is awesome ......but!

I am going to try a custom cold air intake system as soon as I can source the parts. Anyone have any two and a half inch pipe?

 

[BajaRon]

Also--- VERY important...... make sure settings 5 and 6 are NOT set to the same setting! Those are the settings that set the reaction time of acceleration vs. full throttle... and if they're set the same the JB gets confused and causes engine stutter occasionally.

Really? Have not heard this before. I think my last 2 settings are the same and I have no problems. I'll have to check that.

 

[Firefly]

Really? Have not heard this before. I think my last 2 settings are the same and I have no problems. I'll have to check that.

I was having SEVERE problems when WOT engine was cutting out big time--- scared the bejesus outta me as it would happen when passing someone!

Seth O told me about those settings. I had both 5 and 6 set the same and the problem was that the JB would get confused when going from acceleration to WOT... and thus the engine would cut out for a few seconds.:yikes:

I changed settings 5 and 6.... I think I'm at 2.5 for 5 and 1 for 6 and the problem has not happened again.....

BUT.... the JB still isn't doing enough to make my bike run as good as it did with just cranking the fuel pressure up.

Others had the same problem with those settings the same--- and while it only happened every now and then--- the more you thrash it the more it happened.

I'm convinced this is indeed a problem that should be mentioned in the manual.

I'm going to increase my fuel pressure and throw the o2 mod back in and see how it runs........

 

[Firefly]

Decided to put my o2 mod back in (with the Juice Box still in)... and instantly noticed a big difference. It's like my old Spyder is back!!!

Only thing I'm noticing is I smell more gas now--- so I know I'm running rich.... going to lower some JB settings and see how it works. Still have the fuel pressure set around 52.

Thanks for the idea Doc.... :thumbup:

 

[DragonSpyder]

I still had problems running modes 5 and 6 at 2 and 1. Changed to 3 and 1 and almost no WOT issues now. Mine runs better with O2 modifier as well. Still has irratic idle but runs sweet everywhere else.

O2 modifier, Pressure at 54Lbs, .5 2 3 3 3 1

 

[Firefly]

I still had problems running modes 5 and 6 at 2 and 1. Changed to 3 and 1 and almost no WOT issues now. Mine runs better with O2 modifier as well. Still has irratic idle but runs sweet everywhere else.

O2 modifier, Pressure at 54Lbs, .5 2 3 3 3 1

Oh yeah--- forgot you also mentioned you were running the O2 mod.... thanks for the tips!:thumbup:

I'm going to lower my JB settings a bit closer to what you have-- I had them cranked up pretty high trying to get it to run like before. The O2 mod brought my Spyder back to life again....:thumbup:

This also eliminates a possible failure of the OEM O2 sensor.

Do you have much gas smell from running too rich?

How's your mpg?

 

[RShrimp]

What is the O2 modifier please? I get what it does, I just want to know where to buy one.
Thanks

 

[DragonSpyder]

I don't think anyone is suggesting the O2 modifier is required but my Spyder did not run as well with the Juicebox and the stock O2 sensor.

Both Firefly and myself have the race intake and fuel pressure modifier. Both of our Spyders ran better with this setup before adding the juicebox.

The juicebox allows you to adjust the throttle response which is a great benefit. In my opinion the Juicebox is not the best performance mod. for the Spyder if you removed the airbox and added aftermarket exhaust. I'm certainly not going to Dyno my Spyder to prove it runs better!

 

[Firefly]

What is the O2 modifier please? I get what it does, I just want to know where to buy one.
Thanks

Some of us that are interested in more of a performance-based ryde have found the combination of the O2 mod and JB to work very well. I should also note that most of us running this combo also have the Evoluzione race-intake setup.

No Dyno was needed because the difference was THAT drastic in my case--- DAY and NIGHT difference.:yikes::2thumbs:

http://evoluzione.net/evo-cycle-can-am.htm

"this "plug-n-play" module modifies the signal sent to the ecu via the o2 sensor line. with a more performance-based signal, the light throttle drivability is improved."


Now, that being said--- I suppose the handful of us out here running the JB/O2 mod combination *could* just have bad stock O2 sensors, but I'm doubting it.

Basically the O2 mod sends a signal telling the ECU that you're running too lean. This is something the JB should be able to do (especially since 2 bro's bought one of these O2 sensors for 'testing' before they released their JB for the Spyder), but to me it's obvious the implementation wasn't quite right - or maybe I've just got a bad JB ??

The JB pro or Power Commander may be able to take care of all of these problems.


Previously I was running my fuel pressure up at 62 with the O2 mod and my Spyder ran like a bat outta :cus: --- but my MPG was terrible as I was running too rich. So I lowered the fuel pressure and put a JB in --- with the stock O2 sensor in hopes of similar performance. While it ran pretty good.. it still wasn't where it used to be.

No doubt in my mind this has taken my Spyder back to how it was before:thumbup:. Not recommending it for everyone, but it works GREAT for many that have tried it.

Those in doubt - cough up $90 and try one before giving an opinion on it - or show up to one of our 'performance testing' meets and you'll see the difference ...from behind me, doc, or dragon.. because you won't be able to catch us.nojoke.

I'll bet a new Power Commander that a Spyder with just the JB compared to a Spyder with the JB/O2 and race intake mods can't be beat 2 outta 3.nojoke

 

[Firefly]

No one has claimed it helps their top end - at least I've never seen anyone claim that.

As clearly stated above:

"this "plug-n-play" module modifies the signal sent to the ecu via the o2 sensor line. with a more performance-based signal, the light throttle drive-ability is improved."

The cut-outs and stutter I had during recent 'performance testing' in Cuba is 100% gone now. The bike is throwing me back in the seat like it used to.:thumbup:

Anyone wanting to put their $$$ where their mouth is on this and run against me---- come to Chicago and let's run em'...... I could use the extra cash. I know Doc was running the best with a similar setup. Not sure if SethO is running the o2 mod or not.

 

[RoadHammer]

No one has claimed it helps their top end - at least I've never seen anyone claim that.

As clearly stated above:

"this "plug-n-play" module modifies the signal sent to the ecu via the o2 sensor line. with a more performance-based signal, the light throttle drive-ability is improved."

The cut-outs and stutter I had during recent 'performance testing' in Cuba is 100% gone now. The bike is throwing me back in the seat like it used to.:thumbup:

Anyone wanting to put their $$$ where their mouth is on this and run against me---- come to Chicago and let's run em'...... I could use the extra cash. I know Doc was running the best with a similar setup. Not sure if SethO is running the o2 mod or not.

I'll put money on it, i'll kick your azz.

 

[Firefly]

I'll put money on it, i'll kick your azz.

:roflblack::roflblack:

:chat:

opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:

 

[docdoru]

I'll put money on it, i'll kick your azz.

Count me in: SethO, Firefly and me against any other 3 (Canadians wanted) Spyders: 3 of 3.

 

[RShrimp]

Maybe we should have a Spyder night at Desoto Speedway??????
When we get done with the drags we could hit the oval!

 

[docdoru]

Maybe we should have a Spyder night at Desoto Speedway??????
When we get done with the drags we could hit the oval!

"Testing"? Oh yes...

 

[bone crusher]

Seeing that the o2 mod only affects the closed-loop portion of the ECU mapping program, it is impossible for it to have any impact on the open-loop mapsets contained in the higher rpm, MAP, and throttle position portion of the mapping program. Anyone that is trying to claim that it improves their top end performance, does not comprehend what the o2 modifier does.......

I admit that I have no idea what you are talking about...I have the stock o2 and the hindle (with hindle and green filter), and I really like the upgrade...as far as all that o2 sensor stuff, I'll stick with what I have...it works just fine for lil' ole me...

 

[Firefly]

Did some more 'testing' tonight.... WOW! I'm excited about my Spyder all over again now that I have my power back. Running smoother through the entire RPM range since reinstalling the O2 mod.

I was really starting to think something more serious was wrong with my Spyder.

Let the 'testing' begin !

3 Huligans can't be beat!:doorag: