1330 OIL REPORT

[Tango]

I just had my 14 RT serviced. I asked for full synthetic. They called and said they had none in stock. I asked for Amsoil 10-40. The reply was, BRP specifies 5-40. They do not stock the BRP full synthetic. So I ok'd the BRP semi-syn.. I have to think about what to use next time. They will NOT use anything but 5-40. Only known oil I know of is Bel Ray, and Shell Rotella. BTW my first 3,000 mile service was $231 with tax. :thumbup: Tom :trike:

 

[Huddleston]

Mike is the Rotella "JASO MA or MA2"? Tom :trike:

For whatever it is worth, Wikipedia says:

[h=3]JASO-MA[edit][/h]JASO is an acronym that stands for "The Japanese Automotive Standards Organization." Among other things, they set standards for oil to be used in motorcycles.
Shell Rotella T 15W-40 conventional oil does list on its packaging JASO MA as one of the specifications it meets. Note that the 10W-30 conventional oil does not list JASO-MA.
The newer fully synthetic T6 5W-40 oil lists JASO-MA compliance on its packaging and on the Rotella website.

I could not find this info on the Rotella website.

 

[Grandpa Pete]

You Minnesota guy's are pretty darn smart:clap::clap: you betcha!!!!!:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:


Grandpa Pete

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

OIL CHANGE

I just had my 14 RT serviced. I asked for full synthetic. They called and said they had none in stock. I asked for Amsoil 10-40. The reply was, BRP specifies 5-40. They do not stock the BRP full synthetic. So I ok'd the BRP semi-syn.. I have to think about what to use next time. They will NOT use anything but 5-40. Only known oil I know of is Bel Ray, and Shell Rotella. BTW my first 3,000 mile service was $231 with tax. :thumbup: Tom :trike:

:gaah::gaah::gaah:........Tom, other than having to take off the rightside mirror , a couple of panels below that , and having a 36 mm socket to get the oil cover off ..........If you use the Rotella T-6 + a filter you will only spend $55 and will still have 2 1/2 qts. left over for the next oil change .............$ 180 buys quite a bit of gas ....Good Luck .....Mike :thumbup::thumbup:

 

[ulflyer]

I just had my 14 RT serviced. I asked for full synthetic. They called and said they had none in stock. I asked for Amsoil 10-40. The reply was, BRP specifies 5-40. They do not stock the BRP full synthetic. So I ok'd the BRP semi-syn.. I have to think about what to use next time. They will NOT use anything but 5-40. Only known oil I know of is Bel Ray, and Shell Rotella. BTW my first 3,000 mile service was $231 with tax. :thumbup: Tom :trike:

If they used BRP semi-syn, its a 10-40. Walmart stocks Mobil1, Valvoline, and Castrol motorcycle oil. Heres another site if you want a wider selection of oils:

http://www.powersportsuperstore.com/Engine-Oil-s/283.htm

 

[Roadster Renovations]

Probably going to switch to Mobile 1 for my RTS next change, too. Glad you ran the analysis on it! Good info. Where is everyone buying their oil filter kits for the 1330? Is the dealer the only place?

 

[billybovine]

If they used BRP semi-syn, its a 10-40.

I am sorry you are incorrect BRP Blended is 5W-40 it has not been 10W-40 since the new formula was phased in in 2008-9. You're 5 yrs behind.

 

[ulflyer]

I am sorry you are incorrect BRP Blended is 5W-40 it has not been 10W-40 since the new formula was phased in in 2008-9. You're 5 yrs behind.

Good to know. Thanks Billy.

 

[Tango]

Went to Wally World today. Checked out the Rotella T6. $25.50 for a gallon. Good price. :thumbup: Tom :trike:

 

[Roadster Renovations]

http://www.amazon.com/Can-Am-Sypder...r0&keywords=oil+filter+kit+2014+Can+Am+Spyder

Found this on Amazon.

 

[PW2013STL]

http://www.amazon.com/Can-Am-Sypder...r0&keywords=oil+filter+kit+2014+Can+Am+Spyder

Found this on Amazon.

Not for the 1330 motors as this is listed for the 5 speed.

 

[Roadster Renovations]

Thanks! Good thing I didn't buy that one! Where does everyone get theirs for the 1330?

 

[Highwayman2013]

I think Bajaron is working on a kit for the 1330.

 

[PW2013STL]

Thanks! Good thing I didn't buy that one! Where does everyone get theirs for the 1330?

I just purchased the filter, 5 o-rings, and two washers from a dealer and the oil from Autozone. If you are staying with BRP oil than eveything from your dealer.

 

[PW2013STL]

I'm really puzzled; at 8.36 the viscosity has dropped down into the 20W zone, according to: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/viscosity-charts/

To further confuse me, a major lab I've been using, ALS, reports numbers in the 11.6 and below as "caution" and once I got a 10.1 and they flagged it "danger".

The question I've never been able to get answered is how low can the viscosity shear down to and still be viable?

Obviously, the two labs have different views, and BRP says 9300 miles is good. Have to admit, Blackstone's report makes one feel comfortable with whatever oil one is using.

Maybe I'll sent my next test to both labs and see what the results are.

After reading this I finally got around to asking them about it and here is their response.

"Hi, Les. Thanks for the email.

If this is supposed to be a 5W/40 oil, then that does change our report slightly, because the viscosity reading is quite low for a 5W/40. The viscosity wasn't listed on your oil slip, just the brand name, so when the sample read in the 5W/20 range, that's what we logged it in as.

This reading would be low for 5W/40 (the MSDS lists the approximate viscosity for this type of oil at ~14.5 cSt, and your reading was just 8.36 cSt), although since that's the only thing reading out of line, we don't see any obvious cause for the viscosity to read so low. The flashpoint was fine, so fuel dilution doesn't seem to be a concern, and no mechanical problems were found. Some types of oil just tend to naturally shear the oil down, so that might be what's going on here, and that's not a problem as long as wear isn't affected.

All in all, it's still a nice report, just with a slightly lower viscosity than we would have expected. No other problems found. Hope that helps. Let me know if there's anything else we can do for you. Thanks!"

Travis Heffelfinger
Blackstone Laboratories
416 E. Pettit Ave.
Fort Wayne, IN 46806

If you do send in yours for testing please let us know what you find. I will now do my next change at 6000 and see how Moble 1 preforms.

 

[ulflyer]

After reading this I finally got around to asking them about it and here is their response.

"Hi, Les. Thanks for the email.

If this is supposed to be a 5W/40 oil, then that does change our report slightly, because the viscosity reading is quite low for a 5W/40. The viscosity wasn't listed on your oil slip, just the brand name, so when the sample read in the 5W/20 range, that's what we logged it in as.

This reading would be low for 5W/40 (the MSDS lists the approximate viscosity for this type of oil at ~14.5 cSt, and your reading was just 8.36 cSt), although since that's the only thing reading out of line, we don't see any obvious cause for the viscosity to read so low. The flashpoint was fine, so fuel dilution doesn't seem to be a concern, and no mechanical problems were found. Some types of oil just tend to naturally shear the oil down, so that might be what's going on here, and that's not a problem as long as wear isn't affected.

All in all, it's still a nice report, just with a slightly lower viscosity than we would have expected. No other problems found. Hope that helps. Let me know if there's anything else we can do for you. Thanks!"

Travis Heffelfinger
Blackstone Laboratories
416 E. Pettit Ave.
Fort Wayne, IN 46806

If you do send in yours for testing please let us know what you find. I will now do my next change at 6000 and see how Moble 1 preforms.

Thanks for sharing the above report from Blackstone Lab. Glad to know I am not out in left field as far as oil shearing goes. While the Lab says, in effect, that as long as wear is not affected, running an oil that has sheared down that much is ok. The question is, how will you know there has been undue wear, until its already happened? For that reason, I'm likely to continue changing oil at no more than 4000 miles.

I like to dabble with oils and will continue to do lab tests whenever I use a diff oil. Right now I'm still running the
Rotella T Dino with about 2000 mi on it and when it reaches
3000 mi I'll send a sample in. Will let you know the results when I get them and would love to see a test on Mobil1.

 

[Roadster Renovations]

Thanks for sharing the above report from Blackstone Lab. Glad to know I am not out in left field as far as oil shearing goes. While the Lab says, in effect, that as long as wear is not affected, running an oil that has sheared down that much is ok. The question is, how will you know there has been undue wear, until its already happened? For that reason, I'm likely to continue changing oil at no more than 4000 miles.

I like to dabble with oils and will continue to do lab tests whenever I use a diff oil. Right now I'm still running the
Rotella T Dino with about 2000 mi on it and when it reaches
3000 mi I'll send a sample in. Will let you know the results when I get them and would love to see a test on Mobil1.

I am interested to see how the Rotella stacks up to the OEM or Mobil1 for that matter.

 

[ulflyer]

Be very careful what you read Doc, he is running regular oil. The comparison you want to see is one that compares Rotella T6 5-40 full Synthetic vs Mobil Motorcycle oil in 10-40 wright. Any other comparison of similar named oils is a waste. There are many different Rotella oils and Mobil 1 oils.

FWIW, the T-6 meets every requirement stipulated by BRP. It is a rated motorcycle oil, it does have proper viscosity, it is full synthetic.
The Mobil 1 motorcycle oil meets the requirements except the rating is 10-40.

The real lesson that should be learned is that if oil quality is a concern, change it often. Typically, a 5-40 will always rate thinner than a 10-40 during tests of used oil. It starts out with less viscosity, so should end with less viscosity.

PK

I would also like to see a Lab report on the above two oils, especially the T6. Not only is it readily available, but also inexpensive. I've never tried it in a Spyder because some riders of big bore bikes on BITOG found it sheared much more rapidly than 10-40 oils, but it might well be an ideal oil for the 1330; a lab report would go a long ways to determine that.

Many of BITOG riders have, for a long time, been singing the praise for the "T" Dino version, along with 3-4K mile changes which led me to give it a try. I'll soon know how it turns out.

For longer term use, it would be great if we could use 20-50 as it holds up much better than a 10-40. Unfortunately, its not specified by BRP.

For those who use Rotella T6, Shell is offering a $5 rebate up to two gal between now and Oct 31.
http://www.shell.com/rotella/promotions1/fall-synthetics-promotion.html

 

[Tango]

I know that I read about it in the past concerning "synthetic" oils. They go by types. Amsoil, Royal Purple, Mobil 1, and others are a "true synthetic". Hence, man made oil. The Shell T6 may be in a lesser catergory. Which is a "highly refined" dino oil that they can claim is synthetic. Basically, the higher the "TBN", total base number is. The higher the quality of the oil. Most of the best oils are 13 TBN to start. Again, do you own reserch on this. I used to be an Amsoil Dealer and kept up on this stuff. :thumbup: Tom :trike:

 

[Tango]

It didn't take long to find this. Still looking for what "type" it is. Class III or IV?


The typical TBN value for Shell Rotella T6 Full Synthetic Oil SAE
5W-40 is 10.6.

Thank you for your interest in Shell Lubricants!

Regards,
Edward A. Calcote
Staff Chemist
Shell Lubricants US Technical Information Center