2013 Can-Am Spyder RT Safety Recall - Elevated Temperature in Engine Compartment

[copilot]

The part numbers are different because one is a 2013 and the one everyone is comparing it to is a 2014.
Your so called part number thing doesn't hold water. The mirrors on the 2013 has a different clip that is 2013 only. Why all the crying I understand after all this is why I am doing a cat delete. Do you really think I spent 407.00 on a piece of stainless exhaust pipe because it looks cool?
If BP wants to half as fix my problem I will accept whatever is offered
I myself would like BP install the 2014 frank with the radiators up front and fix that awful gas problem so people don't think it's going to blow up!

 

[Jeriatric]

Years and years of heat complaints. Volumes have been posted about heat issues.

As has been long said, the 13's and their heat issues took the light off prior years heat issues (boiling fuel etc.). As we all know, instead of getting better as many were lead to believe(by the first to test ride the '13's). The heat condition was made worse. So much for the credibility of those who reported there was no longer an issue with heat. It took some time but it eventually came out that those test rides were in cold weather conditions. Really!

It stands to reason NHTSA would put repair of the '13's first on the list to be corrected. They are cooking off at the highest rate.

At some point NHTSA will release their findings and repair requirements (if any) for pre '13 years.

All of us love our spyders or we would not have invested the 25 to 50K plus in them.

Wanting what we paid for(a world class touring machine) is not unreasonable.

How we have been treated by BRP. Well, in my world. When it come to the heat issue...we have been ignored for the most part.

Until now.

Just the facts.

 

[Dan McNally]

Man, take a few days off, and everyone gets in a fight!

Just some observations:

. . . a motorcycle isn't and investment unless you are buying a vintage Indian or Harley . . . you will lose money on it, just like on a car. Depreciation lives.

. . . I've ridden over 10,000 miles on my 2013 RT LTD . . . lots of problems in the first 3,000 miles, but not so many since the flash update to the ECM . . . but I do worry about what all that trapped heat has done to rubber under the Tupperware . . .

. . . I'm leaving on 16 April to ride from the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia to Tucson AZ, and back, with a side trip to see the Grand Canyon and whatever else we decide are "must see" places along the way.

. . . in preparation for the trip, I am having the 14,000 mile service done, having the plug wires and all the rubber hoses replaced . . . perhaps some or all of that would be done by BRP in May, with the recall, but I'm getting on in years, have an opportunity for an epic ride, and the opportunity may never come up, again, so I'm going. I might be dead before I get another chance.

. . . nothing in life is perfect, but if you allow righteous indignation and anger to eat you up, life ain't very happy. I fully expect BRP will make things right for 2013 owners . . . but I've been disappointed in life, before . . . and will probably be, again . . . but that isn't going to make me bitter and miserable . . . I'll roll with the punches and keep on being happy.

. . . trying to guess what BRP is going to do to resolve the heat issues makes no sense unless one is a psychic . . .

Let's stop criticizing each other for having opinions . . . everyone is entitled to have their own. nojoke

CHILL! (please)

 

[cuznjohn]

Man, take a few days off, and everyone gets in a fight!

Just some observations:

. . . a motorcycle isn't and investment unless you are buying a vintage Indian or Harley . . . you will lose money on it, just like on a car. Depreciation lives.

. . . I've ridden over 10,000 miles on my 2013 RT LTD . . . lots of problems in the first 3,000 miles, but not so many since the flash update to the ECM . . . but I do worry about what all that trapped heat has done to rubber under the Tupperware . . .

. . . I'm leaving on 16 April to ride from the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia to Tucson AZ, and back, with a side trip to see the Grand Canyon and whatever else we decide are "must see" places along the way.

. . . in preparation for the trip, I am having the 14,000 mile service done, having the plug wires and all the rubber hoses replaced . . . perhaps some or all of that would be done by BRP in May, with the recall, but I'm getting on in years, have an opportunity for an epic ride, and the opportunity may never come up, again, so I'm going. I might be dead before I get another chance.

. . . nothing in life is perfect, but if you allow righteous indignation and anger to eat you up, life ain't very happy. I fully expect BRP will make things right for 2013 owners . . . but I've been disappointed in life, before . . . and will probably be, again . . . but that isn't going to make me bitter and miserable . . . I'll roll with the punches and keep on being happy.

. . . trying to guess what BRP is going to do to resolve the heat issues makes no sense unless one is a psychic . . .

Let's stop criticizing each other for having opinions . . . everyone is entitled to have their own. nojoke

CHILL! (please)

i have to agree with you, i am amazed how a post can turn people against each other. i really hope you enjoy your trip. there were a couple of posts here that i could of used the dislike button on, but i decided to not do it. it really baffles me why some bikes have major heat issues and some don't. my main question is will the bikes that are fine soon become a bike with a problem.

 

[Magdave]

IMHO the only REAL fix for the 2013 is to put the 1330 engine and frunk on it that the frame was designed for and call it a day. I am sure the motor mount issue added for the 998 can be resolved to allow it. Anything else is a band aid on a sore. Unfortunately that is an expensive proposition for BRP. They tried a nickel and dime trial solution and enlisted test pilots that reported little if any difference. I have been a test pilot form the day I bought mine and have made some progress but bottom line is 85+ days stuck in beach traffic is a problem for it. Even at this point they come out with a mea culpa and still have no solution. Has anyone ever seen a pre recall letter sent out on any vehicle before stating we will be recalling but do not have a fix and hope to have one 3 or 4 months from now? This is simply bizarre and I think it is an appeasement to NHTSA to stall. Put the right engine on the frame or buy it back( an even more expensive solution). BMW did it. And I was laughed at and made fun of for putting a diaper under my engine to prove gas was dripping from the EVAP tube quite a while back. SHAME on ALL of you that piled on me at that post. In the end I have been proven right as much as I really did not want to be. The quote I remember was "anyone who puts a diaper under their Spyder does not deserve to have one." I will never forget that thread and the fanboys who piled on some of them are posting in this thread:gaah:.

P.S.
Steve you can contact me at anytime via PM to discuss what would make me happy and I will give you my vin so you can look up the complaints and work I had the dealer do to alleviate as much heat as I could. You never responded to any of my PMs so I don't expect much at this point.

 

[DrewNJ]

Jack, please put me on ignore. I would not want you to stroke out on us because I feel no need to try to impress you with a resume in my profile.....seriously.

I had a 2013 RT on loaner at the end of 12'. I've ridden 2 others since. I have no interest in the RT. But do have an interest in the ST an RS.....which share the same frame.

I think the root of the problem many of you have is your pissed because you drank the 2013' koolaide about how much better those machines were supposed to be vs. The older RT, paid a premium for your 2013 and then less than a year later the 1330 made its debut for the 14' and you feel you were shorted.
Now, you've pissed and moaned so much about it that anyone who does any research about a 2013 RT is scared to death of it.

Ive been around the v990 motor in a few past Aprilias for some time. I have a wrecked track rsv in my shed with more money in the motor than the bike is worth. The v990 is probably the main reason I chose to try a spyder. I've helped a few 13' owners (and others) properly tune their 13' machines. Lets just say i have a decent idea on what makes the v990 tick. I had a lot of the info here for awhile but deleted it all because it caused to much bickering. Most people felt brp should fix it and others would rather wrap everything up. Fine, whatever.
You can add that to my profile if it makes you happy......[emoji6]

 

[JKMSPYDER]

'13 Heat Issues

What baffles me is that not all of the '13 ST's and RT's have a serious heat issue. Case in point; I own a '13 ST-S and have never had boiling gas, gas fumes, or gas dripping from the canister. I did have some moderate heat issues with Tupperware being quite warm but not hot. This was solved by wrapping the pipes and using reflective heat tape on the inside of my panels. I also have a friend that owns a '13 RT LTD and he says he has had zero heat issues. He lives north of Atlanta and it easily gets into the 90's in the summer.

The only things in common with other 2013 ST and RT owners is the frames are the same and I assume they were all assembled at the same factory. Very perplexing!!!:dontknow:

 

[Bob Denman]

Do you spend much time in "Stop & Go" traffic, or are you pretty much out on the open road? :dontknow:

 

[cuznjohn]

What baffles me is that not all of the '13 ST's and RT's have a serious heat issue. Case in point; I own a '13 ST-S and have never had boiling gas, gas fumes, or gas dripping from the canister. I did have some moderate heat issues with Tupperware being quite warm but not hot. This was solved by wrapping the pipes and using reflective heat tape on the inside of my panels. I also have a friend that owns a '13 RT LTD and he says he has had zero heat issues. He lives north of Atlanta and it easily gets into the 90's in the summer.

The only things in common with other 2013 ST and RT owners is the frames are the same and I assume they were all assembled at the same factory. Very perplexing!!!:dontknow:

i don't understand it either, what i was trying to say earlier about some bikes have it and some don't is that people have different heat level tolerances. the person i sold my 13rt to can ride the bike and tolerate the heat that i couldn't. my concern is for the people that have a 13 that they can ride but the heat will eventually do it's damage on interior parts of the engine compartment. so will they be responsible for the costs when parts go bad

 

[anthony422]

I just received the BRP Dealer bulletin... its is an interim notice where BRP through the National Traffic Motor Vehicle and Canada Motor Vehicle safety act, that BRP acknowledges there is a defect that relates to heat on certain can am roadster models. The bulletin states there are parts to be installed not available til may. What they plan on doing will come in a non interim bulletin to follow....what can I say except we kicked the ball and now its starting to roll..... Im thinking it will be a fix that may not make sense, so hopefully its meaningful... Engine swap, don't count on it, this fix will be done with the least amount of resistance

 

[cuznjohn]

I just received the BRP Dealer bulletin... its is an interim notice where BRP through the National Traffic Motor Vehicle and Canada Motor Vehicle safety act, that BRP acknowledges there is a defect that relates to heat on certain can am roadster models. The bulletin states there are parts to be installed not available til may. What they plan on doing will come in a non interim bulletin to follow....what can I say except we kicked the ball and now its starting to roll..... Im thinking it will be a fix that may not make sense, so hopefully its meaningful... Engine swap, don't count on it, this fix will be done with the least amount of resistance

might be a reversing fan, all i can think of

 

[Dan McNally]

might be a reversing fan, all i can think of

A reverse fan just solves the hot foot issue - although, that can be very serious. I've come home and found burns on the inside of my right calf, a little above my ankle . . . the problem with heat buildup and retention under the Tupperware is the issue I think they are trying to resolve, although they may be looking at both.

An air filter like the one JThornton sells, to allow more airflow, a cat delete and a replacement muffler with the CAT out from under the Tupperware seems like a possible solution . . . that CAT, sitting underneath everything generates some serious heat that doesn't get dissipated, easily . . . the inside of the Tupperware acts like an oven.

I'm hoping this issue gets resolved, this year, because I have a lot more miles I plan to ride before the dirt nap, and, as a retiree, I don't have the cash to upgrade to a newer Spyder, when this one isn't two years old, yet.

 

[anthony422]

guessing they will be figuring out how to flush out the cavity, thermostat and a few fans....who knows, reversing fan resolves a whole different issue

 

[oldgoat]

Man, take a few days off, and everyone gets in a fight!

Just some observations:

. . . a motorcycle isn't and investment unless you are buying a vintage Indian or Harley . . . you will lose money on it, just like on a car. Depreciation lives.

. . . I've ridden over 10,000 miles on my 2013 RT LTD . . . lots of problems in the first 3,000 miles, but not so many since the flash update to the ECM . . . but I do worry about what all that trapped heat has done to rubber under the Tupperware . . .

. . . I'm leaving on 16 April to ride from the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia to Tucson AZ, and back, with a side trip to see the Grand Canyon and whatever else we decide are "must see" places along the way.

. . . in preparation for the trip, I am having the 14,000 mile service done, having the plug wires and all the rubber hoses replaced . . . perhaps some or all of that would be done by BRP in May, with the recall, but I'm getting on in years, have an opportunity for an epic ride, and the opportunity may never come up, again, so I'm going. I might be dead before I get another chance.

. . . nothing in life is perfect, but if you allow righteous indignation and anger to eat you up, life ain't very happy. I fully expect BRP will make things right for 2013 owners . . . but I've been disappointed in life, before . . . and will probably be, again . . . but that isn't going to make me bitter and miserable . . . I'll roll with the punches and keep on being happy.

. . . trying to guess what BRP is going to do to resolve the heat issues makes no sense unless one is a psychic . . .

Let's stop criticizing each other for having opinions . . . everyone is entitled to have their own. nojoke

CHILL! (please)

Have a great trip. I'm drooling over it.

I'm one. for whatever reasons, who has left it too late for a trip of that magnitude. I take my hat off to you for doing the preventative maintenance before you go. A sensible thing to do.

 

[Magdave]

guessing they will be figuring out how to flush out the cavity, thermostat and a few fans....who knows, reversing fan resolves a whole different issue

Reversing fan will help a little it will alleviate the heat build up that is transmitted through the plastic swoop at stop and fan blowing. That said it won't help very much.:dontknow:

 

[TXSHOTGUN]

My 2013 rd has a oil leak. After I put on JT air kit, I was able to clean the engine and have located the leak. It is leaking out the Stator wire harness that plugs in on the lower support beam, in front of the engine. It is not leaking where the gromet goes into the crank case, but it is dripping at the where it plugs in. IMHO, Big ole Fire hazard!!! She is going to the shop in the morning.

 

[scarecrow]

The reversing fan does work to keep the heat off the foot. It was done to my 13rts. Still there is a lot of heat under the tupperware that keeps the front part of the seat hot. The gas fumes are still strong. Why not add a larger radiator and also a a fan to the oil cooler?

 

[jcthorne]

The fan on the oil cooler was an idea I had planned to try myself and never got round to it. It has merit.

I think they will do the reversing fan. It helps comfort and folks like it. And its pretty cheap while they are doing other items.

I do think the recall will involve body panels like was done on the ST to flow air through the engine bay. Perhaps with more or better insulation where the driver contacts the body.

Seriously doubt they will do anything about the gas tank or specifically for the fumes issue in this recall. By the way its worded, this one is for heat only. Emissions comes later as it was very much part of the NHTSA investigation. Lowering the under hood temps will help that cause though.

 

[oldgoat]

The fan on the oil cooler was an idea I had planned to try myself and never got round to it. It has merit.

I think they will do the reversing fan. It helps comfort and folks like it. And its pretty cheap while they are doing other items.

I do think the recall will involve body panels like was done on the ST to flow air through the engine bay. Perhaps with more or better insulation where the driver contacts the body.

Seriously doubt they will do anything about the gas tank or specifically for the fumes issue in this recall. By the way its worded, this one is for heat only. Emissions comes later as it was very much part of the NHTSA investigation. Lowering the under hood temps will help that cause though.

In the pics that keep changing along the top of the forum page is one of Lamont's 2008/2009 GS, RS. He had a cooling fan on the oil cooler. I thought it might have been standard, but mine doesn't have one

 

[DrewNJ]

Anyone taken any oil temps first? The oil cooler isn't that big. I can't imagine a fan similar in size to do much, if anything.