NHTSA Recall on 2013 Can-Am Spyder RT & ST models

[SpyderAnn01]

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[Bob Denman]

Ann,
(If I may... pps
How much time was needed ot react? :yikes: nojoke

 

[Dan_Ashley]

Bump

 

[kyace2003]

Clarification is there have already been pictures posted of MCs that have not totally failed but have started to melt. What would you want done in that situation and what is BRP willing to do?( I won't even mention the MC piston seals and the effect this may have on the bike. If there is one subsystem you want working right which one would you pick? For me it is brakes.).

Thank you I have seen some of those pictures, however I believe that am still missing something on this. My interpretation of your message is that BRP is refusing or has already refused to fix any partially melted MCs and I am not seeing that just yet, however if they do refuse to fix them, I agree the community should be outraged, however I am thinking BRP will handle things appropriately, at least based on history they seem to. As far as potential unseen damage, I will agree that it is possible and we may never know what damage is caused without tearing down the engines which I would find hard to believe happening. Hopefully those with a 2013 have a full 5 year warranty and I know this may cause a resale issue similar to the 2002 (I think it was this year) GW which had a frame weld issue and the frame would crack but I am not sure anyone would buy a bike/spyder for an investment anyways.

I agree with you on the brakes, I have a 2004 Suburban that has brake lines rusting from the inside out and GM has declared everything fine and the NHTSA is reviewing it, so I can understand both because I have both a 29K 2013 RT Limited and a 47K Suburban that may at any point in time have it's brakes fail however then again so can any vehicle at any age and yes it is dangerous to everyone involved. I also had a early 2000 Chrysler Town and Country where I was going 65+ when the brakes went out so I have had my share of "oh crap" moments with brakes and would prefer to not push my luck any further.

I am planning on checking my MC this evening, provided I can get the tupperware off and if it isn't showing any signs of melting I am going to continue driving it until I am in the line at the dealer getting it resolved, any signs it will be parked as it should be and taken to the dealer ASAP which is approx 70 miles away.

 

[TuckMiddle]

How much time was needed to react?

Well, well. React to what? The heat? The Flames? The pain?

I always have a small fire ext in the frunk, and carried one for years on other bikes. If I had a 2013, I'd also might have one in the rear trunk, along with a small fire ax.

If you're going to react, you have to stop, turn it off and get off the road, at least as much as you can. Then, while someone, maybe the rider, calls 911, gets out the fire ax, chops up the right side and fighst the fire with the 12 ounce fire bottle. Right!!

Obviously the person meant to stop, shut it off and run. By the time you do 2,3, and 4 above, the Spyder may become a bomb, cause by the already hot brake/fuel leak (or system) which is really spreading. I'd be well off the road, behind a rock, taking pics or a video of the event.
:cheers:
Tuck

 

[Magdave]

Talked to my dealer and yes there was a stop sale issued. Those waiting for delivery go to the front of the line but parts should be in next week. I also asked about what happens if the MC manifold is partially melted the said they would replace the whole deal so it sounds fine so far. Now about that boiling gas........:banghead:

 

[NancysToy]

If the master cylinder manifold melts enough to spring a leak, the braking stystem will be compromised and it could take further to stop. I'm sure that is what BRP meant by time to react, but if the brake fluid (which would not be under pressure at this location), were to drip or be splashed onto the exhaust pipe it could catch fire. It could theoretically also ignite from the proximity to the exhaust, but that is far less likely. A fire would require a reaction of a far different nature. I'd try to be prepared to react to either possibility, if it were me.

 

[dtkennney]

Can Am quality Control

I am saving money to buy a Can Am RT next year. My hesitation now is the quality control process at BRP. I was director of quality control for a large company and to me it seems that there testing process lacks thoroughness. While the company appears to do the right thing by it's customers, it seems to me that there Quality Control and failure analysis process needs a complete overall.

I really want to buy one, but at that price I expect excellent quality assurance practices.

 

[Mooseman]

:agree: with Tuck!:doorag:

 

[Bob Denman]

. I was director of quality control for a large company...
I really want to buy one, but at that price I expect excellent quality assurance practices.

Head of quality control?? :shocked:
You just flat-out know too much for your own good!
I honestlyfeel that they're going to get a handle on these issues... BRP is a pretty big outfit that has produced many really good vehicles over the years! :thumbup:
My personal feeling is that they got bit on the butt by their suppliers for this year's effort; hopefully; they have addressed this already! :gaah:

 

[Indyron]

Any fires?

Has there been any reported fires from this problem that BRP is fixing with the recall?

 

[NancysToy]

Has there been any reported fires from this problem that BRP is fixing with the recall?

There has been smoke reported as a result of the MC leaks, but I don't think any of the serious fires could be analyzed well enough to link them conclusively. BRP has stated that this poses a fire danger in their recall information and responses, however.

 

[corvettesue]

Recall

We just purchased Spyder RTSE5 two days ago. Still at dealership they called and got the part for the recall today hopefully we get it tomorrow.

 

[Flanker]

I think it means 'get off before you catch on fire.' :yikes::yikes:

A big 10-4 there, OC! Or stay the :cus: off your explosive transportation device until it's retrofitted (which would be my option if I owned a '13 ST or RT). Just sayin........................

 

[Indyron]

I think...

..everybody needs to take a deep breath.

 

[johnnyrocket]

Hi everyone,

We're being advised that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the United States is giving us the go-ahead to release information on the safety recall regarding the tandem master cylinder manifold inlet. This recall had already been announced in Canada, and we are now at liberty to announce it in the United States as well.

Our dealer network in the United States is currently being fully briefed on this safety recall and on the solution devised by BRP to address it. In addition, owners of affected vehicles will be contacted by BRP.

At this time, the recall does not yet seem to be live on the official NHTSA website; but should appear shortly. We will keep you informed of any further developments.

Got the call from my dealer today to bring mine in Sat. for recall repair. Good service from Central Fl .Powersports!

 

[spyder3]

Head of quality control?? :shocked:
You just flat-out know too much for your own good!
I honestlyfeel that they're going to get a handle on these issues... BRP is a pretty big outfit that has produced many really good vehicles over the years! :thumbup:
My personal feeling is that they got bit on the butt by their suppliers for this year's effort; hopefully; they have addressed this already! :gaah:

So, are you saying or is someone saying melting MC's are the fault of a supplier? You don't think this is a design problem/fault? Hopefully i've misunderstood or missed something. :dontknow:

 

[Dan McNally]

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So, are you saying or is someone saying melting MC's are the fault of a supplier? You don't think this is a design problem/fault? Hopefully i've misunderstood or missed something. :dontknow:

Suppliers have been known, in the past, to bid on a contract and agree to meet certain specifications, and then, provide a cheaper product that does not meet specifications, but looks the same, to maximize profit . . .

 

[spyder3]

Suppliers have been known, in the past, to bid on a contract and agree to meet certain specifications, and then, part substitute with a cheaper product to maximize profit . . .

I have not heard that from anyone is this case, have you?

I would think if it was a supplier screw up with a cheap part substitute, then all of the MC's should be replaced. A shield to protect "cheap" part from melting further wouldn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. No pun intended.

 

[hotglue]

The heat melted Flamingobabes' MC.... not to the point of leaking, but the brake fluid was black and gummy..... COOKED.... I would think that was not a supplier issue....That in it's self could put the braking system in a less than optimum condition.