2013 RT Elevated Temperature in Engine Compartment - Safety Campaign

[Bob Denman]

So; the initial reports are looking good? :clap: :thumbup:

We can't wait for the "Full Monty"!

 

[Lou]

Dropped mine off last night, several other Spyders were already there in various stages of the fix

 

[Dan McNally]

Is there a thread discussing this ride? I live in Elkins, WV and would be interested in possibly ryding along for the day.

Thanks.

WVBubba, there is a description on the MSW web page at Meetup . . . I don't know if non-members can read it, or not, but here is the link. Membership is free, by the way.

http://www.meetup.com/MarylandSpyderWeb/events/218816274/

 

[WVBubba]

Thanks!

 

[jcthorne]

Another update on Louise RT.

Service manager Kevin test rode the bike and he is happy with it. So far his take was the body was not hot and no noticeable fumes after 15 mile ride in traffic at 90 deg. We pick it up tomorrow afternoon.

BRP responded to our request and receipts for reimbursement of the items already done to reduce underhood temps.

They declined to pay for the primary muffler bypass or the JT air cleaner but did agree to pay for the pipe and body insulation materials. Will be issued as a dealer credit. A bit disappointed on that decision but some is better than none I suppose.

 

[Magdave]

Another update on Louise RT.

Service manager Kevin test rode the bike and he is happy with it. So far his take was the body was not hot and no noticeable fumes after 15 mile ride in traffic at 90 deg. We pick it up tomorrow afternoon.

BRP responded to our request and receipts for reimbursement of the items already done to reduce underhood temps.

They declined to pay for the primary muffler bypass or the JT air cleaner but did agree to pay for the pipe and body insulation materials. Will be issued as a dealer credit. A bit disappointed on that decision but some is better than none I suppose.

The dealer credit concept is a bunch of BS we paid $$$ and should receive in kind. We all know the BRP markup is out of sight and they will still make money on anything we use the credit for. They need hit in the wallet just like we did to try and fix their problems then they stole our ideas to do it. I advocated the scoop in that position check my threads. Many of us advocated movement of the canister. They still have 1 issue that may still cause them to get the third strike that is the MC melting. That pervious fix was a band aid the exhaust still runs by it and now airflow will blow heat on it. They should have sent new coated pipes instead of a couple of pieces of plastic and an ECM update. JMHO of course. Spend the least amount they can then refuse to return our money :lecturef_smilie:

 

[robmorg]

Exactly WHAT is Closed?

The summary investigation closing is posted there as well and is a pretty interesting read as well and to me some what shocking of the results. And it was the AP that reported it. So again I am truly hoping as a 2013 owner this is the fix to end all this all the way around or else They would not be closing the investigation I hope...

Best place to look for the most accurate information is the NHTSA website, itself. There IS a document there called the "Closing Resume" which does say that the PE (Preliminary Evaluation) has been closed on this issue. Whether that means that the entire investigation is closed is unclear, but after reading the details I would assume so. I was doubtful that the investigation was closed for two reasons...

1. They don't yet have the field results for any owners who have undergone the recall procedure
2. The original investigation included other models and years in addition to just the 2013 RT

However the details would seem to imply that they have indeed closed the entire investigation. They did address other models and years in this closing report and stated that they were satisfied with what BRP has previously done on vehicles before and after 2013 (adding scoops, etc.) This still seems very odd to me because 2013 was NOT the only model year for the RT that suffered fires, and AFAIK, there have been no fixes for previous model years for the RT on the overheating fuel issue. The only reason that makes sense to me, for closing the entire investigation, is if BRP has already agreed with the NHTSA to perform similar fixes for model years prior to 2013, and this has not yet been announced. (No way for the public to currently know this.) Otherwise I simply cannot understand why NHTSA would close the entire investigation with problems on earlier model years still outstanding. :dontknow:


You can read the entire report here...
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM479340/INCLA-PE14025-9804.PDF

 

[jwulf74]

:agree: Our 2011's still stink up the garage and on hot days you can hear the gas boiling in the tank. I truly hope this works for the 2013 owners and am waiting with baited breath for some real hot weather riding results. BRP may be using the 2013's as guinea pigs since they had the most severe issues and will eventually trickle it down to the rest of us.

 

[robmorg]

:agree: Our 2011's still stink up the garage and on hot days you can hear the gas boiling in the tank. I truly hope this works for the 2013 owners and am waiting with baited breath for some real hot weather riding results. BRP may be using the 2013's as guinea pigs since they had the most severe issues and will eventually trickle it down to the rest of us.

That's what I'm thinking as well. I sure HOPE that's the case.

 

[WellsboroSpyder]

Best place to look for the most accurate information is the NHTSA website, itself. There IS a document there called the "Closing Resume" which does say that the PE (Preliminary Evaluation) has been closed on this issue. Whether that means that the entire investigation is closed is unclear, but after reading the details I would assume so. I was doubtful that the investigation was closed for two reasons...

1. They don't yet have the field results for any owners who have undergone the recall procedure
2. The original investigation included other models and years in addition to just the 2013 RT

However the details would seem to imply that they have indeed closed the entire investigation. They did address other models and years in this closing report and stated that they were satisfied with what BRP has previously done on vehicles before and after 2013 (adding scoops, etc.) This still seems very odd to me because 2013 was NOT the only model year for the RT that suffered fires, and AFAIK, there have been no fixes for previous model years for the RT on the overheating fuel issue. The only reason that makes sense to me, for closing the entire investigation, is if BRP has already agreed with the NHTSA to perform similar fixes for model years prior to 2013, and this has not yet been announced. (No way for the public to currently know this.) Otherwise I simply cannot understand why NHTSA would close the entire investigation with problems on earlier model years still outstanding. :dontknow:


You can read the entire report here...
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM479340/INCLA-PE14025-9804.PDF

But where does it say NHTSA has approved a sulution?

 

[Magdave]

But where does it say NHTSA has approved a sulution?

I talked with the investigator for NHTSA and posted about it a while back. He said it was approved and BRP would announce it...and this is the announcement. That being said if the fix proves ineffective or faulty and another Spyder goes up in flames (MC melts?) or someone else gets 3rd degree burns from touching the Tupperware there is nothing stopping a new investigation from being started. At this point the proof will be in the pudding. Time will tell.

 

[robmorg]

But where does it say NHTSA has approved a sulution?

At the very end of the NHTSA report they say something to the effect that given the steps BRP has taken, the PE is now closed. That implies that they approved the solution. As Dave said above... Time will tell.

 

[Bob Denman]

In another thread; JC's initial report seems VERY promising! :thumbup:

 

[vtrider]

My dealer, (LandAir in Essex Junction Vermont) has the kits for the recall in stock and they have me scheduled in for next Thursday to have the service done. They showed me a customers white spyder that they had just completed with the kit installed. I can say that I do like the look of the new air scoops. I'll post pictures and give a report once I get the recall service done.

 

[condorflysu]

In another thread; JC's initial report seems VERY promising! :thumbup:

Will look for JC's thread then ..... I'm booked in at my dealer for recall work Monday...still sceptical for low speed heat and gas boil problems.

I always wear my protective MinB-Glass's......... to Bob.

 

[Commander]

I just saw a few pictures on facebook on the recall mods on a 2013 RT and they look pretty good

 

[Lou]

Done! Thank you Sam and the Techs @ DDS Motor Sports Utica NY!!!!

 

[Bob Denman]

Done! Thank you Sam and the Techs @ DDS Motor Sports Utica NY!!!!

...And...?
What are your initial impressions, of it's effectiveness?

 

[Lou]

...And...?
What are your initial impressions, of it's effectiveness?

Noticeable noise increase with intake, I never did have any of the heat issues I have read here - Only the right foot toe toaster vent deal.
Power seemed different but I also had some Bark added to it with the addition of an Akrapovic......Bike actually feels slower.....Maybe it's just Sneaky Fast now and I just don't realize it:shocked:

 

[taxmyzer]

Appointment set for week of June 15th

Stopped by dealer today & setup recall appointment. While there I had a chance to see the scoops on a completed Spyder. I have to say they look better in person & they're attached securely. I asked my dealer to have the flat black part of the scoops painted the same color as the bike. They will be going to paint tomorrow & Will be installed week of June 15th. :yes::yes: