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1330 OIL REPORT

Napa couldn't tell me the name (yet) and I cannot find my paperwork. I may be out that $15. I sent a request in to Blackstone for a container. May have to send in the sample I have in the bike now. Oil and filter will need changed within 1200 miles. Soon after Spyder in the Smokies I will do so.

Pretty sure NAPA sells the Wix kit and Wix uses "ALS" which is a major lab with test centers in several states. Since I live nearest to the one in Atlanta Ga that is where I send mine. It has taken up to two full weeks or a little more at times but normally about 10 working days to get an email report. If you sent it in the container it may have got lost or misrouted by the PO. Again, that happened to one of my first ones and from then on I put them in a brown envelope and have had no problems. If you can find where you sent it, email them or call with the report number and you should get a reply.
 
Pretty sure NAPA sells the Wix kit and Wix uses "ALS" which is a major lab with test centers in several states. Since I live nearest to the one in Atlanta Ga that is where I send mine. It has taken up to two full weeks or a little more at times but normally about 10 working days to get an email report. If you sent it in the container it may have got lost or misrouted by the PO. Again, that happened to one of my first ones and from then on I put them in a brown envelope and have had no problems. If you can find where you sent it, email them or call with the report number and you should get a reply.
i followed up with the main number to the lab and the guy had no record. He did say that they have problems with the PO only delivering them when they have several. He said my best bet was to use Fed-ex or Ups next time. I'm going to give it another week then check again. Probably in 2 weeks it will be time to change the oil and filter again. If nothing else, I should have the Blackstone container by then. Would have been nice if they had rec'd UPS in the instructions.....
 
It's been long enough now that the nojoke have obviously lost my oil sample. I received the Blackstone labs sample bottle and will use it the next time I change oil, probably next week. When sending off to Blackstone, what carrier should I use? Obviously, USPS is not a reliable option. I have about 5,500 on this oil and am getting close to 9,300 on the filter by next week. Bike is still shifting great (SE6) and checking the oil yesterday it looks almost brand new. Not going to take chances, though on the shearing, so I'll change and send it in.
 
It's been long enough now that the nojoke have obviously lost my oil sample. I received the Blackstone labs sample bottle and will use it the next time I change oil, probably next week. When sending off to Blackstone, what carrier should I use? Obviously, USPS is not a reliable option. I have about 5,500 on this oil and am getting close to 9,300 on the filter by next week. Bike is still shifting great (SE6) and checking the oil yesterday it looks almost brand new. Not going to take chances, though on the shearing, so I'll change and send it in.

Doc I use UPS and I put the bottle into a small box to ship as I do not trust that a bottle that size will make it to them wihthout getting lost. If fact I sent them a sample yesterday of the Mobil 1 with 6235 miles on it. I will report that after I get the results back.
I agree about the shearing as my BRP oil sheared down to 20w at 6000 miles. I am very interested in what your report shows.
 
SHEARING

Doc I use UPS and I put the bottle into a small box to ship as I do not trust that a bottle that size will make it to them wihthout getting lost. If fact I sent them a sample yesterday of the Mobil 1 with 6235 miles on it. I will report that after I get the results back.
I agree about the shearing as my BRP oil sheared down to 20w at 6000 miles. I am very interested in what your report shows.
.....Sorry but I've lost track ( so many posts etc. ) which BRP oil did you have tested regarding above ( Blended or Full Syn ? ) ...................Thanks ......Mike :thumbup:
 
.....Sorry but I've lost track ( so many posts etc. ) which BRP oil did you have tested regarding above ( Blended or Full Syn ? ) ...................Thanks ......Mike :thumbup:

Blended.
I now have their full Syn in my Spyder and will test that in 6000 miles also, but since winter in knocking on the door here it will be next year before I have those results.
In order to keep this post small :roflblack: I will start a new post each time I get a report back.
 
It's been long enough now that the nojoke have obviously lost my oil sample. I received the Blackstone labs sample bottle and will use it the next time I change oil, probably next week. When sending off to Blackstone, what carrier should I use? Obviously, USPS is not a reliable option. I have about 5,500 on this oil and am getting close to 9,300 on the filter by next week. Bike is still shifting great (SE6) and checking the oil yesterday it looks almost brand new. Not going to take chances, though on the shearing, so I'll change and send it in.


Doc, I have been using USPS for my Blackstone samples for a few years with no problems. I put the Blackstone packaging in one of the USPS Express mail envelopes for their flat rate and the lab has it in 3 days.

CJ JAX
 
Doc, I have been using USPS for my Blackstone samples for a few years with no problems. I put the Blackstone packaging in one of the USPS Express mail envelopes for their flat rate and the lab has it in 3 days.

CJ JAX

Ditto. I use a brown puffy envelope and send it Priority so I have a tracking number.
 
RESULTS NOT GOOD ON BRP OIL

Finally got the results back and they are cautioning me on the BRP oil. Since this oil only had 4,000 miles on it and had dropped down into a 20 weight, if nothing else I will not be changing at 9,300 miles. Here are the reports and a copy of Bob the oil guys chart (thanks, Bob!)
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Not sure what I am going to do. Thinking about Mobil 1 full syn for motorcycles, but if there is any chance of an issue with the clutch on the SE6, I won't. All I know is that this oil has halved it's viscosity in 4,000 miles. I will send in the new sample when I change it next week which is BRP oil. Maybe one of you guys with more experience in this than me can give me some ideas.
 

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Thanks for posting, Doc, but I can't read your attachments. Too small for my old eyes, even with my glasses on.

Also, which oil did you use? Syn or Syn-blend?
 
Blended 5x40. Let me re-post them and try to make them larger. (you also can hold ctrl down and hit plus to make the screen larger...at least on my browser.
Here is the chart: Wouldn't let me post in edit mode...

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OIL INFO

Finally got the results back and they are cautioning me on the BRP oil. Since this oil only had 4,000 miles on it and had dropped down into a 20 weight, if nothing else I will not be changing at 9,300 miles. Here are the reports and a copy of Bob the oil guys chart (thanks, Bob!)
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Not sure what I am going to do. Thinking about Mobil 1 full syn for motorcycles, but if there is any chance of an issue with the clutch on the SE6, I won't. All I know is that this oil has halved it's viscosity in 4,000 miles. I will send in the new sample when I change it next week which is BRP oil. Maybe one of you guys with more experience in this than me can give me some ideas.
.........Doc please HELP us all out here , when you refer to the OIL you are using could state BRP Blended ...or....BRP F SYN ......because it makes a HUGH difference ....Thanks , some of us here probably follow this Thread on a daily basis ( it's that important )............................Mike :thumbup:..........Sorry we were both typing at the same time
 
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Doc, I hate to tell you this, but in my experience with testing various brands, both synthetic and non-synthetic, NO 10-40 oil, much less a 5-40, will make it to 4000 without shearing down to what you see on your test.

In order to hold the viscosity to a reasonable level at 4000 miles, it takes a quart of 20-50 added when the oil is changed. This may be a bit contrary to BRP instructions, but the vast majority of big bikes on the road call for 20-50, so I began adding a quart back when I had my '11. I am now doing the same with the 1330.

My current fill is Motul 7100, a pure ester synthetic, not the highly processed dino that many U.S. companies are allowed to call "synthetic". I have another 1200 miles to go before reaching 4K on the Motul and will then test it.

Unless it turns out to be the miracle oil, which I highly doubt, I plan on using a good quality synthetic like Amsoil and changing it every 4000 and the filter every other time. This seems the most reasonable way to go for me. For this coming winter I will leave off the 20-50 and go full 10-40 as it doesn't get all that frigid here in the NC. If the mood strikes me, I may put in Rotella T6, a 5-40 synthetic, rated
Jaso MA (or is it now MA2), knowing it will get changed at 3000 or shortly thereafter.

Generally speaking, the wider the range, the faster the viscosity shears down, and 5-40 has not held up as long in big bore bikes as a 10-40 or heavier oil. Nevertheless, its a decent oil, inexpensive, readily avail at Walmart. Seems to me like a good winter oil, suitable for the short haul.
 
Sorry for any mix up. It was 5x40 semi-synthetic BRP blended.
Uniflyer, I think you are right about replacing the filter only every other time. The drain and fill I did before the New England trip was without the filter change and I will now do the full oil change this week. I am thinking of using the same oil on this change (since I have gallon of it). The lab suggested that I send another sample to establish a wear baseline. I thought the metal PPM in the report was very good as some of that might have been from the clutch disk. I know it's filtered, but small particles might still have got through. I will tell you this, if you ran this oil 9,200 miles I doubt that it would have a 10 weight at that point. Not good for this awesome engine or it's longevity.
 
Hi Doc,

Thanks for posting. I had done mine (same oil) at 6000 miles and it also came in at 20w, so it looks like it did not shear any lower from 4000 to 6000.
I should have my results on the Mobil 1 10-40w full syn back this week. This oil has 6234 miles on it and we will see if it faired any better. Stay tuned.
 
FROM WHAT I GATHER ON THIS TOPIC SO FAR IS

:gaah:........Does anyone think BRP did or had any " SHEAR " testing done . Do they really expect the Ace engine to last until it's out of Warranty and they are off the HOOK so-to-speak ??????...........Their recommended 9300 miles between oil / filter changes appears to be way beyond what their ( BRP ) OIL can handle ..........JMHO....I am using FULL SYN Rotella and don't plan on more than 5000 at the extreme........................................Mike :thumbup:
 
:gaah:........Does anyone think BRP did or had any " SHEAR " testing done . Do they really expect the Ace engine to last until it's out of Warranty and they are off the HOOK so-to-speak ??????...........Their recommended 9300 miles between oil / filter changes appears to be way beyond what their ( BRP ) OIL can handle ..........JMHO....I am using FULL SYN Rotella and don't plan on more than 5000 at the extreme........................................Mike :thumbup:

BK, the Rotella 5-40 is a good weight for your climate, especially in the winter, but suggest you send a sample in for testing to make sure its holding up to 5K. I'm interested in that oil as well and want to see how it fares. :)
 
Just like the last oil thread all of this was hashed out in, I believe the key here is to use whatever approved oil puts a smile on your face and change it a bit more often.
Personally, I have no issues with the brp blend oil. It actually has a good reputation in the jetski world where the motors are run considerably harder than in the spyder, its fairly inexpensive, easy to come by, and the kits make it easy.
However, I'm doing 3k OCI like I have done in every other motorcycle I've owned.
 
I'd tend to agree.

Will add that changing from breakin oil at 2500 miles and with it the kind of notchy feel when shifting (SE6), to a new filter and fresh BRP blended that came in the kit has smoothed out the gearbox feel.

Still plan to run M1 Motorcycle Oil 10/40 after I put a bit more miles on with blended oil to ensure a good breakin and seating of the rings. Never had plans to go the distance per the manual. Probably will be a 5000 mile max distance, but when I see how the M1 turned out with PW2013 tests / analysis, I may adjust the miles a bit.

For several reasons, time has been tough to find this year in regards to Spyder riding.

PK

PK,

I will try posting the full results of the Mobil 1 test tomorrow, but it did shear down from 40w to just above 30w after 6200 miles?
I hope I can get the full results to post as I was not able with the first one so stay tuned.

Les
 
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