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Which 990 Spyder?

Old Man Grizz

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Howdy Folks:)
Last spring my wife and I bought our first Spyder.
"Snoopy" is a 2014 RTS. We have added Farkles and absolutely LOVE HER!
My wife got her license and now rides Snoopy freely and safely.
We are looking to buy another Spyder
Looking at used RS'S.
Is there a Best Year? This will be the one I get to Hot Rod!
Thanks,
Old Man Grizz
 
They're all good

From a reliability standpoint. 08-12 have the cat in the muffler and the low handlebars. 13's on up have the separate cat, and the new style bars that will interchange with the st and rt for more rise and pullback. SM is a little more reliable than the SE, only because there is less to go wrong. I guess it boils down to how you want it to look, and how much you want to spend. Good luck with your search.
 
Agree..!!

:agree: it will be mostly best condition and lowest mileage...the GS/RS and the RSS have few diferences mostly suspension, which you will change no doubt. Happy hunting and congrats on becoming a two spyder family.....:2thumbs::ohyea::ohyea:
 
The 2012 RS was the last year of the 990 engine... no throttle by wire to trip you up! :thumbup:
Find one of those with the ESSEM tranny, and you'd have one fine machine! :clap:
 
The 2012 RS was the last year of the 990 engine... no throttle by wire to trip you up! :thumbup:
Find one of those with the ESSEM tranny, and you'd have one fine machine! :clap:

Really, the last year for the 990 was 2012 RS?

what's an ESSEM Transmission?

I don't know why Bob calls it that but what he means, I think, is SM as in manual. He also calls the SE, ESSIE. You will learn that Bob is odd.
 
Bob is right 2012 is the last year for the 990 series engine. The 2013 and newer RS uses the 991 series engine. That is the same engine the RT started using in 2010.
 
Confused

Really, the last year for the 990 was 2012 RS?



I don't know why Bob calls it that but what he means, I think, is SM as in manual. He also calls the SE, ESSIE. You will learn that Bob is odd.


BOB wants everybody to be as confused as he is.:roflblack:
 
the other advantage of the 2013 and newer is that you can swap out the right hand electronic switches for a different one that has cruise control; thereby turning the base RS model into a more comfortable long distance ride!!!. Getting ready to turn 10K miles over on my 2014 this weekend; was purchased new 2.20.2015.

Congratulations on getting your own ride!!!
:yes::yes::yes::ohyea::ohyea::ohyea:
 
The 2012 RS was the last year of the 990 engine... no throttle by wire to trip you up! :thumbup:
Bob also keeps cautioning us about throttle by wire vs throttle by cable. I'm still waiting to learn the difference, if any, between a Wire and a Cable... :hun:

All I know is a wire is monofilament, while a cable is multi-strand. Usually. I think. Maybe. Maybe not? :bowdown:
 
In HD world & automotive world I came from it meant controlled by sensor & servo etc

No direct connection
By wire as in wired to computer

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Bob also keeps cautioning us about throttle by wire vs throttle by cable. I'm still waiting to learn the difference, if any, between a Wire and a Cable... :hun:

All I know is a wire is monofilament, while a cable is multi-strand. Usually. I think. Maybe. Maybe not? :bowdown:
Cables are just that, there are cables attached to the throttle so as you twist the throttle you push/pull on cables.

DBW systems have no cables. Its all electronic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_by_wire
 
Bob also keeps cautioning us about throttle by wire vs throttle by cable. I'm still waiting to learn the difference, if any, between a Wire and a Cable... :hun:

All I know is a wire is monofilament, while a cable is multi-strand. Usually. I think. Maybe. Maybe not? :bowdown:

I think the phrase originated in the aviation industry. Some airplanes "fly by wire". In the old fashioned airplanes, cars, motorcycles, etc., cables attach directly to the items being controlled. For example, when you pulled back on the stick (or wheel) in the cockpit of an airplane, a cable attached to the stick ran back to the tail section through a system of pulleys and pulled directly on the elevator which then caused the airplane to climb. With fly by wire, pulling back on the stick sends a signal through an electrical wireto a computer which activates a servo (or to the servo directly) which moves the control surface according to instructions or parameters programmed into the system. In other words, there is no direct connection between the control and the device being controlled.

The best motorcycle example I can think of is my BMW GTL. It has three performance settings: Rain, Road, and Dynamic. There is no direct connection between the throttle control and the actual throttle on the engine. Each setting has a different computer map so if you twist the throttle while in the "Rain" setting, the engine response will be dampened to make it less likely to lose rear wheel traction. It also increases the sensitivity of the traction control monitoring. In the "Dynamic" setting, the bike is a monster. The BMW version of "Nanny" becomes much less intrusive and the bike's performance is ramped up significantly. The "Road" setting is in between the two extremes. So the same twist of the throttle will have three different responses depending on which mode you are in at the time.

My understanding is that our Spyders throttle by wire and brake by wire. We twist the throttle control and computers decide how much power will go to the rear wheel based on road traction, computer mapping, etc. We press the brake pedal and computers decide how much braking force will be applied to each wheel.

This explanation may not be exactly correct, but it hopefully will help those who aren't familiar with the terms.
 
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This explanation may not be exactly correct, but it hopefully will help those who aren't familiar with the terms.
Well, yes, of course it is exactly correct.

Brake cables, clutch cables, throttle cables, etc., I've dealt with, replaced, and adjusted them all over the decades. My lapse here was in associating a wire as mechanically equivalent to such a cable. But of course the term by wire is more in reference to an electrical conductor function, not a mechanical function.

Thanks anyway everybody. :D
 
The electrical function simply replaces an equivalent mechanical function...
Which is helping to shove some fuel down your Spyder's Pie-Hole! :D
 
My understanding is that our Spyders throttle by wire and brake by wire. We twist the throttle control and computers decide how much power will go to the rear wheel based on road traction, computer mapping, etc. We press the brake pedal and computers decide how much braking force will be applied to each wheel.

This explanation may not be exactly correct, but it hopefully will help those who aren't familiar with the terms.

I have to disagree with the brakes part of your statement. On our Spyders the brake pedal directly mechanically connected to the master cylinder. Under normal braking conditions the brake fluid transfers the pressure created in the master cylinder directly to the calipers and brake pads. At no point in this path is it electrical. But this path can be interrupted for the purposes of the ABS function. The VCM can also apply the brake to each wheel independently even when the operator has not pressed the brake pedal.
 
Since you have the RT I would "Definitely Try" the RS because the seating position is "Crouch Rocket" extreme compared to a RT.
I HAD both and at 66 I would buy a ST because of the seating position before a RS if I had to do it again- BUT I traded the RS for a F3- The "Real Hotrod!"

I think a test drive would confirm many things for you.
 
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