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THIS IS HOW THE VA TREATS US
- Thread starter oldguyinTX
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ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Sounds like the soldier was caught in a "Catch 22" situation. The facility he was bound for has since changed their policy to allow service animals. In the interim, he found another facility that will allow his service animal. The outcome seems good. :thumbup:
oldguyinTX
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True, but he should have never been put in that situation in the first place.
Orange Spyder Man
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its so depressing that our government leaders don't appreciate the sacrifice our veterans has made for us ..
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Deanna777
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IGETAROUND
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there are myriad accommodations that needed to be addressed.[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“These include everything from managing the other 60-plus patients who may have complex medical conditions, such as allergies, or psychological issues related to animals, to addressing the toileting needs of service animals during hours the unit is ‘locked down.’ [/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Now I know that I'll take heat for this, however the above statement is where the prohibitions are coming from.
These veterans were not denied care; there were conditions for that care imposed that they found unacceptable. Treatment is about focusing on what the veteran needs to move to a different place then when they came for treatment.
The distraction of service animals is not the focus; nor should it be the focus of their treatment. I think service dogs are great helpers to the veteran in the real world, but are superfluous in a treatment setting.
That being said; there are programs available in the here and now that accept service animals. The rest of the VA is moving in that direction, they ALL have not yet arrived in the same place at the same time.
I work on a locked inpatient admission unit; we have had service animals arrive with their veterans. The reality of the situation is that on locked units, the care of the animal as to their toileting and feeding needs is imposed on the staff as the items needed to accomplish the seemingly simple tasks of food, water and toileting make it unsafe for the other veterans on the unit. All of the items and supplies needed to provide for basic care can be used a weapons towards other veterans and the staff caring for them. Providing for the safety and non-harm of ALL the veterans on the unit is why the policies that are used are in place.
Everyone screams and points fingers when a veteran under going care within the system is hurt or harmed, and the expectation is proper; no one should be injured while receiving care. To provide injury free care to 40 individuals at a time requires a lot of staff, who often are injured while preventing harm to the veterans under their care.
I have seen a lot of lives that have been irrevocably changed; not for the better by assaults on staff caring for our nations veterans by those same veterans. That is the part of the equation that others not providing that care are unaware of.
The most amount of "liberty" and non infringement on the veterans "rights" are striven for in every decision made on how to deliver care to our veterans.
The methods of how to provide that safe care are constantly under scrutiny and review by those inside the system as well as those outside calling for changes to be made. No one is being "thrown to the curb".
By the way I work on a locked inpatient psychiatric unit @ the VA and provide medical care to the veterans which come to our facility while others attempt to provide for their psychological needs and help them move toward the highest level of recovery which they can obtain. I am also a veteran myself. [/FONT]
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Al[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Now I know that I'll take heat for this, however the above statement is where the prohibitions are coming from.
These veterans were not denied care; there were conditions for that care imposed that they found unacceptable. Treatment is about focusing on what the veteran needs to move to a different place then when they came for treatment.
The distraction of service animals is not the focus; nor should it be the focus of their treatment. I think service dogs are great helpers to the veteran in the real world, but are superfluous in a treatment setting.
That being said; there are programs available in the here and now that accept service animals. The rest of the VA is moving in that direction, they ALL have not yet arrived in the same place at the same time.
I work on a locked inpatient admission unit; we have had service animals arrive with their veterans. The reality of the situation is that on locked units, the care of the animal as to their toileting and feeding needs is imposed on the staff as the items needed to accomplish the seemingly simple tasks of food, water and toileting make it unsafe for the other veterans on the unit. All of the items and supplies needed to provide for basic care can be used a weapons towards other veterans and the staff caring for them. Providing for the safety and non-harm of ALL the veterans on the unit is why the policies that are used are in place.
Everyone screams and points fingers when a veteran under going care within the system is hurt or harmed, and the expectation is proper; no one should be injured while receiving care. To provide injury free care to 40 individuals at a time requires a lot of staff, who often are injured while preventing harm to the veterans under their care.
I have seen a lot of lives that have been irrevocably changed; not for the better by assaults on staff caring for our nations veterans by those same veterans. That is the part of the equation that others not providing that care are unaware of.
The most amount of "liberty" and non infringement on the veterans "rights" are striven for in every decision made on how to deliver care to our veterans.
The methods of how to provide that safe care are constantly under scrutiny and review by those inside the system as well as those outside calling for changes to be made. No one is being "thrown to the curb".
By the way I work on a locked inpatient psychiatric unit @ the VA and provide medical care to the veterans which come to our facility while others attempt to provide for their psychological needs and help them move toward the highest level of recovery which they can obtain. I am also a veteran myself. [/FONT]
:thumbup:[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Al[/FONT]
Cruzr Joe
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there are myriad accommodations that needed to be addressed.“These include everything from managing the other 60-plus patients who may have complex medical conditions, such as allergies, or psychological issues related to animals, to addressing the toileting needs of service animals during hours the unit is ‘locked down.’
Now I know that I'll take heat for this, however the above statement is where the prohibitions are coming from.
These veterans were not denied care; there were conditions for that care imposed that they found unacceptable. Treatment is about focusing on what the veteran needs to move to a different place then when they came for treatment.
The distraction of service animals is not the focus; nor should it be the focus of their treatment. I think service dogs are great helpers to the veteran in the real world, but are superfluous in a treatment setting.
That being said; there are programs available in the here and now that accept service animals. The rest of the VA is moving in that direction, they ALL have not yet arrived in the same place at the same time.
I work on a locked inpatient admission unit; we have had service animals arrive with their veterans. The reality of the situation is that on locked units, the care of the animal as to their toileting and feeding needs is imposed on the staff as the items needed to accomplish the seemingly simple tasks of food, water and toileting make it unsafe for the other veterans on the unit. All of the items and supplies needed to provide for basic care can be used a weapons towards other veterans and the staff caring for them. Providing for the safety and non-harm of ALL the veterans on the unit is why the policies that are used are in place.
Everyone screams and points fingers when a veteran under going care within the system is hurt or harmed, and the expectation is proper; no one should be injured while receiving care. To provide injury free care to 40 individuals at a time requires a lot of staff, who often are injured while preventing harm to the veterans under their care.
I have seen a lot of lives that have been irrevocably changed; not for the better by assaults on staff caring for our nations veterans by those same veterans. That is the part of the equation that others not providing that care are unaware of.
The most amount of "liberty" and non infringement on the veterans "rights" are striven for in every decision made on how to deliver care to our veterans.
The methods of how to provide that safe care are constantly under scrutiny and review by those inside the system as well as those outside calling for changes to be made. No one is being "thrown to the curb".
By the way I work on a locked inpatient psychiatric unit @ the VA and provide medical care to the veterans which come to our facility while others attempt to provide for their psychological needs and help them move toward the highest level of recovery which they can obtain. I am also a veteran myself.
Al
No flames here. different situations call for different policies. It should be all about helping all the vets.
Cruzr Joe
Rogue Hawk
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I go to the VA in North Chicago and always get excellent service.
Bob Denman
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As a person who feels nothing but the greatest sense of gratitude for our veterans; I think that it would be best if each and ever Facility Administrator and Department head was ALSO a Veteran...
The same goes for the Commander in Chief... :thumbup:
The same goes for the Commander in Chief... :thumbup:
Cruzr Joe
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oldguyinTX
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I used to get my meds through the VA. I had a copay for each one, PLUS they billed my prescription insurance plan as well. Now that I am on medicare with an Rx program I have NO copay. The monthly cost of the Rx program is less than my VA copay was. Guess where I get my meds now?
M109Dreamer
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