Dochands
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It was a flatbed. The bike rolled up at ground level and lifted straight up to the level of the moving truck. A good plan if done originally.
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Dochands
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My concern is of course any hidden damage but really more the rebuild. The wiring harness. Electronics. I can imagine a lot of other issues that fortunately never happened with this bike. I read a lot stories about problems with limp mode and the electronics. The shop gives a 90 day warranty but I am not sure that will cover all the other stuff that they might get wrong. I wish there was the equivalent of a home warranty. Lol
FastOldGuy
New member
Gee Whiz... Bad News. I hate to say "It" Happens but "it" does.
I built Total Loss Cars for years. In many cases, I have Driven them from the Insurance Auction to the Shop. Hit the U-Squirt-M Car Wash, pressure wash the Insurance Auction Numbers off (and scrape) along with Mud or dirt and Down The Road!
BEFORE You Abandon the Bike, I'd find someone with Motorcycle Crash experience and smoke it over. How Bad Is The Damage? I don't see dropping 4' as the same as 35 mph impact. I Understand From an Insurance Standpoint "IS IT DAMAGED? Scratched, Bent or Dented. Then Replace or Repair." Be aware, no matter what they did or how bad the damage is, They Will Not Pay You For a Brand New One.
I built Total Loss Cars for years. In many cases, I have Driven them from the Insurance Auction to the Shop. Hit the U-Squirt-M Car Wash, pressure wash the Insurance Auction Numbers off (and scrape) along with Mud or dirt and Down The Road!
BEFORE You Abandon the Bike, I'd find someone with Motorcycle Crash experience and smoke it over. How Bad Is The Damage? I don't see dropping 4' as the same as 35 mph impact. I Understand From an Insurance Standpoint "IS IT DAMAGED? Scratched, Bent or Dented. Then Replace or Repair." Be aware, no matter what they did or how bad the damage is, They Will Not Pay You For a Brand New One.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
Frame damage ????
Now that I've seen all the pics, I have had this happen to me. .... this occurred about 20,000 miles ago to my 2014 RT. ... There was paint damage of course, but I haven't found any reason to believe the FRAME got BENT .... It handles the same as before and my tire Wear is as prior to incident. ........ your's may or may not be similar ..... good luck ..... Mike :thumbup:
Now that I've seen all the pics, I have had this happen to me. .... this occurred about 20,000 miles ago to my 2014 RT. ... There was paint damage of course, but I haven't found any reason to believe the FRAME got BENT .... It handles the same as before and my tire Wear is as prior to incident. ........ your's may or may not be similar ..... good luck ..... Mike :thumbup:
Your warranty is that if the work goes sideways you haven't lost a dime... you can resell to the next person for cost if you don't end up back on it!
I'm excited for you! lol
My attitude would be "just a matter of how works best but that thing is going back on the road".
carbonation
New member
Many things have changed since this jingle was written. No one seems to care anymore. The jingle was a staple on radio when I was a kid.
"Bekins men are careful, quick, and kind
Bekins takes a load off of your mind
Moving heavy stuff or a fragile fixture
A Bekins man is a moving picture
We're the best-trained moving men around
In the moving business Bekins men are pros
And pros means poetry
In moving"
I've asked for a refund on the amount of 2020 I have not been able to use.
"Get in line".
"Bekins men are careful, quick, and kind
Bekins takes a load off of your mind
Moving heavy stuff or a fragile fixture
A Bekins man is a moving picture
We're the best-trained moving men around
In the moving business Bekins men are pros
And pros means poetry
In moving"
I've asked for a refund on the amount of 2020 I have not been able to use.
"Get in line".
KX5062
Active member
I agree with several of the expressed opinions that this accident doesn't really appear to be enough to bend the frame. It could have, mind you, but I'm skeptical. I also agree about another opinion before it junked since you're so attached to it. It could just be a case of improper repair estimation rather than actual damage.
Dochands
Member
The shop won’t store for me anymore so it’s coming home tomorrow. I did ask how they ascertained the bent frame and they said they eyeballed it. Makes me wonder.
Does anyone know a rebuilder who could truly judge and repair the bike if need be? The shop in Tulsa is losing their Can Am certified mechanic in January anyhow so I need another option.
I can truck it to somewhere within reason. I am in Oklahoma. I am still not convinced it should be driven any distance and I think the frame should be measured not eyeballed.
As far as what we are after our position is that this is not an accident but pure negligence and the bike should be replaced not valued for it’s worth today. Attorney stuff.
Does anyone know a rebuilder who could truly judge and repair the bike if need be? The shop in Tulsa is losing their Can Am certified mechanic in January anyhow so I need another option.
I can truck it to somewhere within reason. I am in Oklahoma. I am still not convinced it should be driven any distance and I think the frame should be measured not eyeballed.
As far as what we are after our position is that this is not an accident but pure negligence and the bike should be replaced not valued for it’s worth today. Attorney stuff.
Perfect negotiating position when it comes to insurance. You are correct. You need REPLACEMENT cost and that is higher than the KBB or NADA value.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
" eye balled " it :gaah::roflblack::roflblack: .....now that statement scares the cr*p out of me ..... I don't know if you read post #44 ( there was no acknowledgement from you ) ..... put a straightedge to the Frame. ... and SLOWING driving it should tell you something .....jmho .... Mike :thumbup:
KX5062
Active member
I'd give Lamont (Lamonster, the site owner) a call and inquire with him. He's in Missouri, not too far from you. He should be able to help with either physical assistance or just guidance. He a great guy and super knowledgeable.
As to the 'ol eyeball method of frame checking. Yeah, no. As stated unless it's SUPER obvious that's not adequate. A straight edge is okay, but now-a-days they use lasers to check frame straightness at body shops. You could check with a local autobody shop that does unibody frame repairs (It's not a unibody construction, but they usually have the latest state of the art equipment.) and see if they'll give a look-see. Once on a lift it should be reasonably easy for them to check most everything with minimal body panel removal.
Just a thought or two.
Dochands
Member
I know Lamont from rallies back in the day. I think that is a good idea. Talking to the shop here apparently there are not a lot of high tech options for motorcycles and not any rebuild shops for Spyders. Their diagnosis is based on one thing and that is the visual bend in the frame. They did not check the swing arms or anything else it appears.
I know there are people out there who rebuild and restore classics. Not sure what is in Oklahoma. I guess I have some time to figure it out while we negotiate with the moving company. Meanwhile I guess some cautious rides around the town might tell me something though I am not sure what sort of issues I can expect. I keep hearing about ‘weakness’ in a bent frame and not sure what that will mean in the ride or longevity of the bike.
I know there are people out there who rebuild and restore classics. Not sure what is in Oklahoma. I guess I have some time to figure it out while we negotiate with the moving company. Meanwhile I guess some cautious rides around the town might tell me something though I am not sure what sort of issues I can expect. I keep hearing about ‘weakness’ in a bent frame and not sure what that will mean in the ride or longevity of the bike.
This usually only happens when the vehicle physically goes to the salvage yard under the insurance companys possession. Since he has the vehicle, this will not happen.
If the insurance company pays out on the bike it gets totaled and therefor will need a salvage title. Usually doesn't matter who takes possession of the bike but who pays for it.
KX5062
Active member
The "weakness" in the bent frame is referring to the fact that BRP uses an enclosed box frame and if bent they usually fold at the point of the bend. If there is any type of folding deformation, then the frame is junk. Technically, the only way it can be salvaged is to cut out the fold and weld in a straight part. (Gross over simplification and there are other methods that aren't as sound, but....)
ThreeWheels
Active member
Sorry, long thread.
Is there aresolution to this yet ?
Is there aresolution to this yet ?
RE: salvage title
If the insurance company determines the cost of repairs is more than the value of the vehicle, they'll consider it totaled. Most of the time, the owner can buy back the vehicle as-is for 10-15% of the value. If the insurance company feels it can be repaired for less than the value, they won't total it out. Possession has nothing to do with the vehicle being "totaled".
I used to be heavily into Pontiac Fieros (I've owned 6 of them over the years). I had one that sustained minimal damage from a hit-and-run sideswipe (my Fiero was legally parked in front of my house, the drunk driver sideswiped a total of 11 vehicles before he passed out). The insurance company claimed it would cost about $3k to repair and "totaled" it out. I took their money and bought it back for around $250 (as they claimed it was only worth about $2500, HA). They said they would send me a new "salvage" title but never did. (Their loss.) There was no frame damage, only cosmetic. Due to help from a Fiero forum I've been on for 20+ years, I found the parts needed for about $500 and fixed it myself. Looked as good after the repair as it did before. (It wasn't a show car but it was damn nice.)
If the insurance company determines the cost of repairs is more than the value of the vehicle, they'll consider it totaled. Most of the time, the owner can buy back the vehicle as-is for 10-15% of the value. If the insurance company feels it can be repaired for less than the value, they won't total it out. Possession has nothing to do with the vehicle being "totaled".
I used to be heavily into Pontiac Fieros (I've owned 6 of them over the years). I had one that sustained minimal damage from a hit-and-run sideswipe (my Fiero was legally parked in front of my house, the drunk driver sideswiped a total of 11 vehicles before he passed out). The insurance company claimed it would cost about $3k to repair and "totaled" it out. I took their money and bought it back for around $250 (as they claimed it was only worth about $2500, HA). They said they would send me a new "salvage" title but never did. (Their loss.) There was no frame damage, only cosmetic. Due to help from a Fiero forum I've been on for 20+ years, I found the parts needed for about $500 and fixed it myself. Looked as good after the repair as it did before. (It wasn't a show car but it was damn nice.)
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