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Ryder, a winner for Can Am

does anyone remember in the '90's when hyundai came to u.s. and introduced the excel? well it was an inexpensive
NEW car for those that couldn't or didn't want to spend a lot, anyway kids would buy the car and put 5k in wheels and
stereo and this was in the 1990's when the car went for $4,995 new.
My point being, is this what will happen with the ryker?
 
I haven't rode one yet, but for all the negatives you talk about the Ryker (no storage, bare bones, no protection against elements, etc) they are all there for two-wheelers too. I think the Ryker will be perfect for all those people (mostly younger adults) that ride around my city in their street-legal ATVs that rarely take them off-road. Not sure where you get $16K because when I accessorized to meet my needs (windshield, storage, etc) I got around $12-13K. I do agree though with where you're going with this though, if I wanted a 3-wheeler for the 200+ mile trips it wouldn't be the Ryker. But for nearby city/country driving as a second three-wheeler in the family...the Ryker has my attention.

I don't know about two-wheels instead of three-wheels argument for the younger crowd as the demographics are changing. Meeting motorcycle licensing requirements as a beginner is no longer cheap in both time and money (if you include the lessons). A lot of younger people also don't see the need to ride a motorcycle period as their car, a scooter or Uber/Lyft in the city suffice to meet their needs. I think this is also why Can-Am doesn't just see their future to include the Ryker but also to include the states to lower their motorcycle requirements for three-wheelers. Younger folks as whole just aren't as interested in riding a motorcycle so I think the Ryker is aimed at those that never thought they would get a motorcycle in the first place...but at this price point, ease of use, and level of fun they might be interested.

Well thought out reply. Perhaps your right but the proof in the pudding will be in the amount of sales and profit as it is with anything. I am sure they did their

research before the investment. Time will tell. I do hope they are successful however.

Jack
 
My dealer had to order 30. They did not want to order that many, but were told they had to. Now they have to figure out where to put the $9,600 display that they also had to take. BRP told my dealer that they expect to loose up to 20% of their dealers due to the Ryker requirements nojoke

I could not help but notice the minimum order 30 in this post and that BRP expects to lose 20% of their dealers over the minimum order policy. If the 20% loss of dealers is out there, and is currently a consideration--I wonder if the Spyder brand will survive. The remaining dealers will surely get more business--but which dealers (good or bad reps) will still be around to service?

When Spyder first came out (here 2008)--dealer said he had to order a $15K display set up, as well as a LOT of parts/accessories inventory. In the early days you could buy many accessories right from the sales floor. Now, pretty much everything needs to be pre-ordered. I always make sure parts for any work are in stock--before I bring it in. I don't want it to sit for a week waiting on parts. Got burned on this once already.

Sorry about the gloom & doom. Currently, if I stay here in AK, I am being thrown to the wolves by BRP--and I am pretty sure I was one of their best Spyder customers here (five owned total, and two currently in the garage). Between the five Spyders and five Kawi's since 2001--I have spent a little over $200K with the dealer. In that context--a lot of money for toys from one dealer.

Polaris and the Victory MC comes to mind with a similar situation.

A concept from Managerial Accounting comes to mind here. It is referred to as the "death spiral." It has to do with closing departments of big box stores, or divisions of companies.

Units that are losing some money--once killed, cause the surviving units to lose more money. This is because "allocated" costs across all units are now "re-allocated" to the remaining units--most of the time causing them to lose additional money--making them also ripe for closing.

A simple concept--but a lot of companies don't get it until it is to late. I know a University that is going through the same stuff.

The "consumer advocate" thing is kicking in here. :bowdown:

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Well thought out reply. Perhaps your right but the proof in the pudding will be in the amount of sales and profit as it is with anything. I am sure they did their

research before the investment. Time will tell. I do hope they are successful however.

Jack

Yep, I'll be right there with you in letting time tell the tale. I too hope the Ryker's are successful because as long as the demand of any three-wheelers increases I think that's a good thing for the Spyder line as a whole too.
 
I could not help but notice the minimum order 30 in this post and that BRP expects to lose 20% of their dealers over the minimum order policy. If the 20% loss of dealers is out there, and is currently a consideration--I wonder if the Spyder brand will survive. The remaining dealers will surely get more business--but which dealers (good or bad reps) will still be around to service?

Yea, the health of a local dealer is important. I think mine has struggled a bit and I worry. I think it would be in BRP's interest to keep as many Can-Am dealers open as possible. If my local dealer went away, I'm not so sure I'd keep my Spyder. It's no fun to have to travel 70+ miles just to get your Spyder serviced.
 

Not my cup o tea. I still think the younger crowd will go for two wheels first. Demo'd in Texas and was not the least bit impressed. Personally it's kind of like a

play I once saw. The name was "Much ado about Nothing".

I think too much of my Wife and Children to put them on this Beast with no protection against the elements. It comes "Bare Bones" and to out fit it for the

road would be way North of 16K. No place for luggage, groceries etc.

Hate to rain on anyones parade but seriously look at it in person, sit on it, drive it and make up your own mind.

Jack
Accessories:https://can-am.brp.com/content/dam/...and-RG-Information-Booklet-Consumer-US_LR.pdf
 
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Yea, the health of a local dealer is important. I think mine has struggled a bit and I worry. I think it would be in BRP's interest to keep as many Can-Am dealers open as possible. If my local dealer went away, I'm not so sure I'd keep my Spyder. It's no fun to have to travel 70+ miles just to get your Spyder serviced.

BRP is really PUSHING Dealers to jump on their Ryker Program. They are “ Strong Arming” them in to Submission to buy X number of Rykers, up front, before they are even proven to be reliable, successful, Investments’ for Dealers. Worse, the Dealers are asked to vomit $10,000 up front, for a Ryker Display area in their Shop, with a Flat Screen TV and DVD along with the Ryker Demos. My best guess is, most Dealers will greatly decrease the number of RTs and Fs they will order, in order to satisfy BRP’s minimum 2019 Order, and it will be even more difficult for existing RT and F Owners to get even the minimum Service on their existing RTs and Fs, because the Dealer’s “usually” Single Spyder Certified Tech will be pressured to even keep up with the Ryker Service, let alone RT and F Service. Rykers sold will all need their manditory First Service to have the break in oil changed, etc. etc., plus in order to stay Certified, those single Techs will be forced to get additional training for the new Models, either at the BRP Factory, or over the Internet. For we that own RTs and Fs,....I foresee even WORSE Service on our Big expensive Belt Driven Dinasours that are depriciating even more, now that the $10,000 entry level Go-Carts are hyped by BRP and forcing Dealers to choke on. Its gonna look real bad for resale of our RTs and Fs,.....UNTIL the Market gets saturated with the cheap Ryker Go-Cart that Buyers have been hyped in to buying, expecting the Go-Carts to be stripped down Kiddy RTs and Fs, but find out a year later, after their Factory Waurenties have expired, that these little Ten Grand Go-Carts have machancal and electrical problems as well, and still require the very same Dealer Service Tech Hourly charges as the RTs and Fs. I think there will be very few entry level Ryker Buyers that will buy the Ryker 600s for $8500 when they can up the entry another $1500 fir the extra Cylinder and Power of the 900, so “ Naive” Dealers, ( there will be very few) that order the 600s up front for BRPs Strong Arming Hype, will be stuck with them , until they unload them with high Discounts and very little prophet, if any. St Pierre, BRP’s Unlimate Fighter Promoting Champ, will need to visit each Dealer and sighn Autographs on the Rykers still sitting in Crates not sold. Then, those who shelled out $10 Grand for their Go-Carts and spent another $ 2000 on them, by year two, will try to upgrade in to an Adult RT or F, and will discover that their Toy Go-Carts will have also depriciated by the same 50% that RTs and Fs do, after 2 years of ownership, on Resale, so, there will be a much better Market for used RTs and Fs around the beginning of 2021-2022. Wait until the Ryker Tires need replacing, and the Brands, Sizes, Options , pressures, car vs. Motocycle, issues and arguments start appearing here, ....how will the New Ryker Owners survive , unless Blue Knight Mike is reinstated as the Spyderlovers.com Resident Tire Expert to guide the Gullable? Just saying,......but don’t wanna stir the Pot.
 
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BRP is really PUSHING Dealers to jump on their Ryker Program. They are “ Strong Arming” them in to Submission to buy X number of Rykers, up front, before they are even proven to be reliable, successful, Investments’ for Dealers. Worse, the Dealers are asked to vomit $10,000 up front, for a Ryker Display area in their Shop, with a Flat Screen TV and DVD along with the Ryker Demos. My best guess is, most Dealers will greatly decrease the number of RTs and Fs they will order, in order to satisfy BRP’s minimum 2019 Order, and it will be even more difficult for existing RT and F Owners to get even the minimum Service on their existing RTs and Fs, because the Dealer’s “usually” Single Spyder Certified Tech will be pressured to even keep up with the Ryker Service, let alone RT and F Service. Rykers sold will all need their manditory First Service to have the break in oil changed, etc. etc., plus in order to stay Certified, those single Techs will be forced to get additional training for the new Models, either at the BRP Factory, or over the Internet. For we that own RTs and Fs,....I foresee even WORSE Service on our Big expensive Belt Driven Dinasours that are depriciating even more, now that the $10,000 entry level Go-Carts are hyped by BRP and forcing Dealers to choke on. Its gonna look real bad for resale of our RTs and Fs,.....UNTIL the Market gets saturated with the cheap Ryker Go-Cart that Buyers have been hyped in to buying, expecting the Go-Carts to be stripped down Kiddy RTs and Fs, but find out a year later, after their Factory Waurenties have expired, that these little Ten Grand Go-Carts have machancal and electrical problems as well, and still require the very same Dealer Service Tech Hourly charges as the RTs and Fs. I think there will be very few entry level Ryker Buyers that will buy the Ryker 600s for $8500 when they can up the entry another $1500 fir the extra Cylinder and Power of the 900, so “ Naive” Dealers, ( there will be very few) that order the 600s up front for BRPs Strong Arming Hype, will be stuck with them , until they unload them with high Discounts and very little prophet, if any. St Pierre, BRP’s Unlimate Fighter Promoting Champ, will need to visit each Dealer and sigh Autographs on the Rykers still sitting in Crates not sold. Then, those who shelled out $10 Grand for their Go-Carts and spent another $ 2000 on them, by year two, will try to upgrade in to an Adult RT or F, and will discover that their Toy Go-Carts will have also depriciated by the same 50% that RTs and Fs do, after 2 years of ownership, on Resale, so, there will be a much better Market for used RTs and Fs around the beginning of 2021-2022. Wait until the Ryker Tires need replacing, and the Brands, Sizes, Options , pressures, car vs. Motocycle, issues and arguments start appearing here, ....how will the New Ryker Owners survive , unless Blue Knight Mike is reinstated as the Spyderlovers.com Resident Tire Expert to guide the Gullable? Just saying,......but don’t wanna stir the Pot.

I think you speak a lot of truth there although I'd probably spin it with a little less gloom and doom. :-) Absolutely agree with you that no one in their right mind should buy a Ryker 600 when with a little more savings a 900 can be obtained. I also think floor space is going to be an issue. My Can-Am dealer already struggles with finding enough space for both the off-road and on-road vehicles that I don't know what they do next Fall if they have a lot of leftover Rykers and Ryders. If I was a dealer, I really wouldn't accept that many trade-ins to show on the floor because pretty much those used Ryders are going to be in direct competition with the selling of new Rykers. If I was a Can-Am dealer, I'd be getting out of the previously owned side of business rather quickly...assuming if I was a dealer that sold only Can-Am.

Having said that, I still think the Rykers are going to sell. If I had to do it all over again today, I would have bought a Ryker as my first reverse trike and when I retire with the time to tour buy a Spyder RT or high-end F3. Plus at it's price point, it would have been fun to have bought two Rykers so I could ride with my wife or son next to me around town. Can't afford two Spyders at the moment.
 
The Rykers are a breath of fresh air. Most all BRP techs know the 900 and 600 very well and the thing can be taken apart by virtually anyone. Oil change-Less oil- are super easy and No DPS or other stuff to go wrong-No Belt tension-Sprockets to fail-Easy rear tire change I bet anyone can do. Is it for everyone-NO- I will keep my F3 till i'm sure it meets All my needs and then the F3 will be History and the $$ will go toward Future Elderly expenses?
I bet Half the Rykers are bought by current Spyder owners?:yikes:
 
I also think this will be a positive for Can Am and the dealers. I guess some people are glass half empty sorts. I do my own servicing so as not to take away from those that use the dealer service department. The dealer I buy from said there isn't a lot of markup on the Rykers, it's on the accessories. Sounds like the Harley model. Maybe this minimum order thing is to weed out the underperforming dealers. I am strongly leaning toward a Rally model when my wife's F3L is paid off.
 
I also think this will be a positive for Can Am and the dealers. I guess some people are glass half empty sorts. I do my own servicing so as not to take away from those that use the dealer service department. The dealer I buy from said there isn't a lot of markup on the Rykers, it's on the accessories. Sounds like the Harley model. Maybe this minimum order thing is to weed out the underperforming dealers. I am strongly leaning toward a Rally model when my wife's F3L is paid off.


Len, are you going to ride that Ryker to Spyderquest next year? :D
 
Hello everyone
New forum poster here but I have been following for years and have been planning on getting a Spyder since they first came out in 2008...I just never pulled the trigger due to home life/needs coming first.
I got certified this past year and was planning on getting the F3-S (which I got certified on) until the Ryker came out and there are many things I love about it. I'll need a test ride first to make up my mind which way I go.

I do, however, have a question. I noticed that when I add the saddlebag onto the Ryker, I am only capable of adding one saddlebag. I would prefer dual saddlebags if not for the simple reason that I like having it look balanced.
Does anyone know, or can confirm that there will be an option for dual saddlebags?

thanks,
 
Hello everyone
New forum poster here but I have been following for years and have been planning on getting a Spyder since they first came out in 2008...I just never pulled the trigger due to home life/needs coming first.
I got certified this past year and was planning on getting the F3-S (which I got certified on) until the Ryker came out and there are many things I love about it. I'll need a test ride first to make up my mind which way I go.

I do, however, have a question. I noticed that when I add the saddlebag onto the Ryker, I am only capable of adding one saddlebag. I would prefer dual saddlebags if not for the simple reason that I like having it look balanced.
Does anyone know, or can confirm that there will be an option for dual saddlebags?

thanks,

I believe the only factory options are one saddle bag and a top case.
 
Hello everyone
New forum poster here but I have been following for years and have been planning on getting a Spyder since they first came out in 2008...I just never pulled the trigger due to home life/needs coming first.
I got certified this past year and was planning on getting the F3-S (which I got certified on) until the Ryker came out and there are many things I love about it. I'll need a test ride first to make up my mind which way I go.

I do, however, have a question. I noticed that when I add the saddlebag onto the Ryker, I am only capable of adding one saddlebag. I would prefer dual saddlebags if not for the simple reason that I like having it look balanced.
Does anyone know, or can confirm that there will be an option for dual saddlebags?

thanks,

If you add the side Bag and top bag you will ride single. Don' worry about balance because the weight of the large single swing arm is on the opposite side of the Side bag. The top bag is only 4.5 gallons while the side bag is 9 gallons. I wish this came out when I was about to buy my 09 GS Way Back then?
 
If you add the side Bag and top bag you will ride single. Don' worry about balance because the weight of the large single swing arm is on the opposite side of the Side bag. The top bag is only 4.5 gallons while the side bag is 9 gallons. I wish this came out when I was about to buy my 09 GS Way Back then?

Maybe BRP will eventually offer optional Pond Tunes on them so they can ride on the water with Seadoos. The Off Roaders that try to keep up with the 4x4 ATVs in the Mug Bogs, will fly by the Single rear wheel Rykers stuck in the mud with their back wheel spinning. But then, optional Wenches will be added to add to the initial prices. Its all good Business and will be fun to watch it all unfold.
 
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Originally Posted by 007james BRP is really PUSHING Dealers to jump on their Ryker Program. They are “ Strong Arming” them in to Submission to buy X number of Rykers, up front, before they are even proven to be reliable, successful, Investments’ for Dealers. Worse, the Dealers are asked to vomit $10,000 up front, for a Ryker Display area in their Shop, with a Flat Screen TV and DVD along with the Ryker Demos. My best guess is, most Dealers will greatly decrease the number of RTs and Fs they will order, in order to satisfy BRP’s minimum 2019 Order, and it will be even more difficult for existing RT and F Owners to get even the minimum Service on their existing RTs and Fs, because the Dealer’s “usually” Single Spyder Certified Tech will be pressured to even keep up with the Ryker Service, let alone RT and F Service. Rykers sold will all need their manditory First Service to have the break in oil changed, etc. etc., plus in order to stay Certified, those single Techs will be forced to get additional training for the new Models, either at the BRP Factory, or over the Internet. For we that own RTs and Fs,....I foresee even WORSE Service on our Big expensive Belt Driven Dinasours that are depriciating even more, now that the $10,000 entry level Go-Carts are hyped by BRP and forcing Dealers to choke on. Its gonna look real bad for resale of our RTs and Fs,.....UNTIL the Market gets saturated with the cheap Ryker Go-Cart that Buyers have been hyped in to buying, expecting the Go-Carts to be stripped down Kiddy RTs and Fs, but find out a year later, after their Factory Waurenties have expired, that these little Ten Grand Go-Carts have machancal and electrical problems as well, and still require the very same Dealer Service Tech Hourly charges as the RTs and Fs. I think there will be very few entry level Ryker Buyers that will buy the Ryker 600s for $8500 when they can up the entry another $1500 fir the extra Cylinder and Power of the 900, so “ Naive” Dealers, ( there will be very few) that order the 600s up front for BRPs Strong Arming Hype, will be stuck with them , until they unload them with high Discounts and very little prophet, if any. St Pierre, BRP’s Unlimate Fighter Promoting Champ, will need to visit each Dealer and sigh Autographs on the Rykers still sitting in Crates not sold. Then, those who shelled out $10 Grand for their Go-Carts and spent another $ 2000 on them, by year two, will try to upgrade in to an Adult RT or F, and will discover that their Toy Go-Carts will have also depriciated by the same 50% that RTs and Fs do, after 2 years of ownership, on Resale, so, there will be a much better Market for used RTs and Fs around the beginning of 2021-2022. Wait until the Ryker Tires need replacing, and the Brands, Sizes, Options , pressures, car vs. Motocycle, issues and arguments start appearing here, ....how will the New Ryker Owners survive , unless Blue Knight Mike is reinstated as the Spyderlovers.com Resident Tire Expert to guide the Gullable? Just saying,......but don’t wanna stir the Pot.

I think you speak a lot of truth there although I'd probably spin it with a little less gloom and doom. :-) Absolutely agree with you that no one in their right mind should buy a Ryker 600 when with a little more savings a 900 can be obtained. I also think floor space is going to be an issue. My Can-Am dealer already struggles with finding enough space for both the off-road and on-road vehicles that I don't know what they do next Fall if they have a lot of leftover Rykers and Ryders. If I was a dealer, I really wouldn't accept that many trade-ins to show on the floor because pretty much those used Ryders are going to be in direct competition with the selling of new Rykers. If I was a Can-Am dealer, I'd be getting out of the previously owned side of business rather quickly...assuming if I was a dealer that sold only Can-Am.

Having said that, I still think the Rykers are going to sell. If I had to do it all over again today, I would have bought a Ryker as my first reverse trike and when I retire with the time to tour buy a Spyder RT or high-end F3. Plus at it's price point, it would have been fun to have bought two Rykers so I could ride with my wife or son next to me around town. Can't afford two Spyders at the moment.

:agree:x 2. Taken with a little grain of salt, food for thought--but I think the situation has been overplayed intentionally. :popcorn::popcorn:
 
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