Recall done BRP call and extra insulation

[3 Wheel Addict]

My temps are a lot lower everywhere since I DEI taped everything so I might not be a good candidate to compare to. I just odered 2 venturi vents I am going to install on my bottom plates. These are the same ones Boats use to vent the engine/bilge area. I am hoping venturi effect will be sucking all the rest of the heat out. Are you watching BRP ? Something you should consider for your bottom plates to improve airflow. :thumbup: I WILL have the coolest (temp wise) 2013 on the road or I will die trying :roflblack:

Get us some pics of the vents installed as i'm curious. I'm a BRP Evinrude tech and have awesome access to special vents and such.

 

[stewartj239]

Comments:

1. The CAT is located outside the tupperware and pretty far to the rear. It can certainly heat the passenger's left foot, and probably adds some heat to the engine compartment and to exhaust temperatures, but I doubt it is as much as you think. It is exposed to the air as you ride (mainly the bottom) and does dissipate the heat sufficiently that it is not considered to be a fire hazard. I doubt this improvement will do much for heat reaching the rider or accumulating in the engine compartment, just make the Spyder a bit noiser and possibly make it perform marginally better.

My thought on it is that the cat is still in the enclosure and heat does indeed rise which must make it way upward to some extent. Also, it sits underneath the gas tank which I would think would contribute to the boiling gas issue that has been reported. Others who have removed it have reported back great results, so knowing that it is a heat source, I'm betting that removing it can only help.

 

[stewartj239]

Here is another picture of the adjustable wind deflector originally posted by Magdave. This looks like it would be in the parallel position and it looks to me like it will help direct air into the vent. I think I might be buying it.

 

[SNOOPY]

I know you and FB are upset but what temp do you think it should be 6in from the top of the cylinder in what used to be an open hole to it? I re arranged the area a little more and haven't seen above 98 deg at the latch. Seriously I just came back from a ride temp is 80 deg outside and the inside of my glove box was cold:yikes:. Should I have had to pay for the insulating I have done? Nope but it has made progress and when I get the marine venturi vents installed on the bottom I expect it to be even better. Obviously BRP being a water craft dealer knows about what venturi vents do on a boat. They pull the heat and fuel smell out of the engine compartment. I expect the same to happen on my bike. The only possible fly in the ointment may be a lack of wind speed under the bike especially since I have Spyderpops skid plate on but I am betting it will be better.

Have you considered mounting a small fan on each pan instead of a vent?

I think there's room for something similar to this...

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-Waterproof-Axial-Fan-6RRH9?Pid=search

Controlled w/ a switch it could directly pull heat right out of the engine bay area and directed away from the rider?

Easy to cut a hole and easy to mount to the plastic.

And they are available waterproof.

 

[Wiredux]

My temps are a lot lower everywhere since I DEI taped everything so I might not be a good candidate to compare to. I just odered 2 venturi vents I am going to install on my bottom plates. These are the same ones Boats use to vent the engine/bilge area. I am hoping venturi effect will be sucking all the rest of the heat out. Are you watching BRP ? Something you should consider for your bottom plates to improve airflow. :thumbup: I WILL have the coolest (temp wise) 2013 on the road or I will die trying :roflblack:

It would still be good to to see if you are getting the temps around what the 2012 is sitting at. IMO

 

[capt.jim]

My thought on it is that the cat is still in the enclosure and heat does indeed rise which must make it way upward to some extent. Also, it sits underneath the gas tank which I would think would contribute to the boiling gas issue that has been reported. Others who have removed it have reported back great results, so knowing that it is a heat source, I'm betting that removing it can only help.

I agree, the front of the gas tank is shielded with the heavy insulation for motor heat, but the CAT is directly underneath and very hot. If they had put some of the thick shield on the bottom of the tank the gas probably would not be boiling from the rising heat when you stop.

 

[Magdave]

It would still be good to to see if you are getting the temps around what the 2012 is sitting at. IMO

OK shoot some pics when you get the temp gauge and post here after a ride and tell me how long you rode it and I will reciprocate with identical ones meet you here when you do. Just don't make it an all day ride:thumbup:

 

[Magdave]

I agree, the front of the gas tank is shielded with the heavy insulation for motor heat, but the CAT is directly underneath and very hot. If they had put some of the thick shield on the bottom of the tank the gas probably would not be boiling from the rising heat when you stop.

Not on the 13 they did not put insulation over the motor. No shield for the tank like earlier years. I agree with Scotty by the way the cat is wide open on my 2013 nothing to keep the heat inside. It is no where near being under the gas tank and has plenty of metal above it called the frame. It sits where the rear arms come back and there is metal all around it.

 

[Magdave]

OK here are some new temp reading. Ambient temp 88-93 deg 45 minute ride. I took some of these while the engine was still running.

 

[Magdave]

A few more I have to say I am still getting a hot leg but I was riding in shorts with low top shoes. Not unbearable but noticeable.

 

[Magdave]

and the last couple

Glovebox


Seems I have tackles this pretty well except for the black hole will be working on that soon. Waiting to see if the 2014 right side honeycomb will fit the 2013 and I will user it with black baked heat tape to block it and add some round holes in the bottom that will match some nylon plugs if I don't like the results. I always like doing things so they are reversible :thumbup: Somehow I fubared the gas cap pic but it was 103deg.

 

[SNOOPY]

Have you considered mounting a small fan on each pan instead of a vent?

I think there's room for something similar to this...

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-Waterproof-Axial-Fan-6RRH9?Pid=search

Controlled w/ a switch it could directly pull heat right out of the engine bay area and directed away from the rider?

Easy to cut a hole and easy to mount to the plastic.

And they are available waterproof.

Wondering if you caught my post? :dontknow:


Or maybe I'm on ignore :sad:

 

[OWISE1]

Cookin Nuts

OK here are some new temp reading. Ambient temp 88-93 deg 45 minute ride. I took some of these while the engine was still running.
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I still think "102" deg is to hot for the crotch :yikes: especially if it's gonna be a long ride..opcorn:

 

[stewartj239]

by the way the cat is wide open on my 2013 nothing to keep the heat inside. It is no where near being under the gas tank and has plenty of metal above it called the frame. It sits where the rear arms come back and there is metal all around it.

I don't know. I just checked mine out and the cat definitely sits underneath the gas tank. The only thing that separates it from the tank is the backbone of the frame. It is enclosed by the side panels and the only part exposed is the very bottom of it. At a dead stop with the engine running, that heat is only going to go upward, right up to the tank and more than likely work it's way into the upper part of the tupperware. I don't see how not removing it won't reduce heat since itself is a heat source.

 

[NancysToy]

I don't know. I just checked mine out and the cat definitely sits underneath the gas tank. The only thing that separates it from the tank is the backbone of the frame. It is enclosed by the side panels and the only part exposed is the very bottom of it. At a dead stop with the engine running, that heat is only going to go upward, right up to the tank and more than likely work it's way into the upper part of the tupperware. I don't see how not removing it won't reduce heat since itself is a heat source.

There is not a motorcycle on earth that will not heat up excessively when stopped. To expect it to do otherwise is unrealistic. The exhaust pipe that runs fully exposed right benath the tank is a far greater offender. You are grasping at straws. It would be nice to conveniently blame the catalytic converter, but it just a tiny piece of the puzzle.

 

[stewartj239]

There is not a motorcycle on earth that will not heat up excessively when stopped. To expect it to do otherwise is unrealistic. The exhaust pipe that runs fully exposed right benath the tank is a far greater offender. You are grasping at straws. It would be nice to conveniently blame the catalytic converter, but it just a tiny piece of the puzzle.

I'm not blaming the converter. I'm simply looking for ways to reduce heat and this is one of them on top of a number of other things. It IS a piece of the puzzle.

 

[NancysToy]

I'm not blaming the converter. I'm simply looking for ways to reduce heat and this is one of them on top of a number of other things. It IS a piece of the puzzle.

Agreed, but if you really want to get rid of some heat, get some air moving...either upwards or backwards. Beyond that, start close and work to the more remote things (like the CAT) only if necessary.

 

[Magdave]

Wondering if you caught my post? :dontknow:


Or maybe I'm on ignore :sad:

I got it but my plan is not to ad switches or wiring I would rather do it manually.

 

[Magdave]

I still think "102" deg is to hot for the crotch :yikes: especially if it's gonna be a long ride..opcorn:

Well that is just the crack engine running sitting still after the ride. It was 122 on my first reading before I started insulating engine stopped. You do realize ( according to an anatomy course I took) that they are actually hotter than the rest of the body anyway that is why they are in a sack that expands and contracts for cooling purposes instead of being in your gut. The rest of our bodies are 98.6. The point is practically none of the readings were of temps that you would probably even notice. I rode with my bare skin on the Tupperware and it was not hot at all. If you want ice cold air you will need to go to a movie theater . That radiator exhaust hole is still a different story and I will be taking a different approach to it soon.:thumbup:

 

[Magdave]

I'm not blaming the converter. I'm simply looking for ways to reduce heat and this is one of them on top of a number of other things. It IS a piece of the puzzle.

Lots of people remove them. It is not cheap. By the way BRP calls them the "Primary Muffler" in the parts list. I do not disagree and have posted elsewhere they should have a full shield above them just like a car does.