Sarge707
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:agree: This is BRP,s Problem to solve! I hate to say but the more you modify it to be acceptable is defeating your own purpose when they deny your warranty and the Judge throws out your "Lemon Law?" case in a court???nojoke
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High Temps...Limp Mode
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:agree: This is BRP,s Problem to solve! I hate to say but the more you modify it to be acceptable is defeating your own purpose when they deny your warranty and the Judge throws out your "Lemon Law?" case in a court???nojoke
Bob Denman
New member
I guess that I'm just stubborn... :shocked: If my bike was having a problem that I could adequately address; I'd tackle it just so that I could ride it without having to complain about it...
Most of what has been suggested as ways to combat the heat issues are not invasive and completely reversible. BRP knows that this is an issue; they also know that a lot of folks are going to try to do what is necessary to be able to ride their bikes.
Voiding a warranty?? I doubt it...
Most of what has been suggested as ways to combat the heat issues are not invasive and completely reversible. BRP knows that this is an issue; they also know that a lot of folks are going to try to do what is necessary to be able to ride their bikes.
Voiding a warranty?? I doubt it...
JKMSPYDER
Active member
HEAT ISSUES
Bob, I totally agree with you. BRP has known about these heat issues and melting of the MC caps on some 2013's, but to my knowledge has done nothing. If we riders were to wait for BRP, our whole riding season is shot! Many of us including myself have had success solving our own heat issues. My MC cap is now well insulated and the heat issues on my left leg have been solved. I am a happy Spyder rider. Thanks to others on this forum, we can solve a lot of issues.
Bob, I totally agree with you. BRP has known about these heat issues and melting of the MC caps on some 2013's, but to my knowledge has done nothing. If we riders were to wait for BRP, our whole riding season is shot! Many of us including myself have had success solving our own heat issues. My MC cap is now well insulated and the heat issues on my left leg have been solved. I am a happy Spyder rider. Thanks to others on this forum, we can solve a lot of issues.
Doug
New member
Wellll not miserable, just frustated that the solution (not the idea) come from the right people in this case its BRP, wouldn't you agree.
Doug
New member
they know (BRP) that a lot of folks are going to try----- I rest my case
flamingobabe
...in the pink (Girls On Spyders)
I appreciate all the suggestions to fix my ST....but we have heat wrapped, rebuilt the heat shield near master cylinder, prayed...danced around bike and all kind of stuff...but everything has been approved by BRP....my engine is still running lean...causing a hotter engine....the coolant system appears to work over and above because I have never reach high bars on the gauge....but does it work....yesterday no high bar reading....just the hi-temp light came on and limp mode...after riding 1 hour.....I understand why those happened...stopped no air flow around engine....I just want to go riding and everything work
quickster47
New member
Bob Denman
New member
Char,
Maybe it's time to sacrifice a pig...
I recall you mentioning that it's been hooked up to BUDS for updates and reprogramming; do they have ANY idea as to what is causing the bike to run lean?
If it's not electronics; I'd be looking for a leak in the intake system somewhere... :gaah:
Or a rEaLlY plugged-up fuel filter??? :dontknow:
Maybe it's time to sacrifice a pig...
I recall you mentioning that it's been hooked up to BUDS for updates and reprogramming; do they have ANY idea as to what is causing the bike to run lean?
If it's not electronics; I'd be looking for a leak in the intake system somewhere... :gaah:
Or a rEaLlY plugged-up fuel filter??? :dontknow:
Magdave
New member
My first occurrence was exactly like yours the LCD temp was 5 bars and it tossed a code & Limp. The second one the bars pegged for a sec at start up and dropped immediately. Both were short rides and after gassing up. It stopped 600mi ago and have not had another. I know it is frustrating for the $$$ we should all have perfect bikes but.....:thumbup:
As far as the engine running lean The ECM maps the fuel tables based on feedback from the O2 sensor in a FI engine after it is out of closed loop (warmed up) and should never run lean. Only 2 things could allow this to happen if no code is tossed. 1. bad O2 sensor 2. Bad ECM or Programming. How do you know it is running lean ? Spark plug diagnoses? If so keep fighting with the dealer and BRP. Good Luck.
flamingobabe
...in the pink (Girls On Spyders)
we pulled the back plug...chalky white...a flash on FCM and 2500 miles later...very light mocha...still to lean
Magdave
New member
Light Mocha is good IIRC we 2013 owners have an Iridium plug from the factory. (Bajaron told me)
http://www.densoiridium.com/howtoreadusedplugs.php
http://www.motocrossgear.com/blog/bike-maintenance/spark-plug/
flamingobabe
...in the pink (Girls On Spyders)
Mark says its still to light in color....the bike goes in the shop here in Houston...pray for my bike....but afraid to ride it to PitBull or even Greenville Louis Powersports.....I have an appointment Tuesday 9am
Sarge707
Active member
http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/automotive-law/lemon-law.php
I,m sure your aware of the above- And I realize its the last thing you would want to do!
BUT, Its no reflection on the dealer ONLY that the problem needs to be fixed by BRP or Replacement or Compensation MUST take place!!
nojoke
Maybe it takes 10-20 Cases on record to get BRP to do something for the Rest That are suffering, Many of them have No clue whats wrong because they are NOT on this site?:dontknow:
I,m sure your aware of the above- And I realize its the last thing you would want to do!
BUT, Its no reflection on the dealer ONLY that the problem needs to be fixed by BRP or Replacement or Compensation MUST take place!!
nojoke
Maybe it takes 10-20 Cases on record to get BRP to do something for the Rest That are suffering, Many of them have No clue whats wrong because they are NOT on this site?:dontknow:
Spyder Tony
New member
Heat Soak
Chupaca is exactly right about this being a Heat Soak problem. It still occassionally hapens to me on those 90-95 degree days when i'm driving enough to get the temps on the bike up to normal operating tempratures...then, when you turn the bike off, there is no air or coolant flow (Hence the Heat soak) and the Hi Temp warning light comes on with Limp Mode. If you start your bike and let it run for 30 secs or so, the coolant will again be circulated and the bike will drop in temp and operate normally. I have dealt with the dealership and BRP extensively (BRP replaced my radiator, thermostat, cooling fan, and temp sensor in an attempt to control the overheating). Bottom line is that is although it is not a fix, but moreso a workaround, just start your bike and the bars will drop in half a minute...no limp mode, no Warning. The 2013 ST's seem to shoot up in temp when parked after a ride on warm days. I have learned to manage it until BRP can fully address it.
Here is a link to my thread on the subject including pics of overheating screen & invoices for work done in the effort to curtail the issue. I think you'll find it interesting reading...
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?55665-Overheating&p=660969#post660969
Chupaca is exactly right about this being a Heat Soak problem. It still occassionally hapens to me on those 90-95 degree days when i'm driving enough to get the temps on the bike up to normal operating tempratures...then, when you turn the bike off, there is no air or coolant flow (Hence the Heat soak) and the Hi Temp warning light comes on with Limp Mode. If you start your bike and let it run for 30 secs or so, the coolant will again be circulated and the bike will drop in temp and operate normally. I have dealt with the dealership and BRP extensively (BRP replaced my radiator, thermostat, cooling fan, and temp sensor in an attempt to control the overheating). Bottom line is that is although it is not a fix, but moreso a workaround, just start your bike and the bars will drop in half a minute...no limp mode, no Warning. The 2013 ST's seem to shoot up in temp when parked after a ride on warm days. I have learned to manage it until BRP can fully address it.
Here is a link to my thread on the subject including pics of overheating screen & invoices for work done in the effort to curtail the issue. I think you'll find it interesting reading...
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?55665-Overheating&p=660969#post660969
Bob Denman
New member
Sorry to hear this but it's a re occuring issue. The question is how long this will go on before the fix will come. BRP must be working hard but how long. For the members who did R&D on their own and sucessful should be given credit and awarded of some kind.
I'm with you, for all the money invested we should a fair deal. God Bless us all.
I'm with you, for all the money invested we should a fair deal. God Bless us all.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
You folks have the right idea about BRP taking an active role in the fix. IMO--not enough said or done by BRP so far--and we are a couple weeks off from new model introduction. Wishing you a successful visit on the trip to the shop.
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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
A couple of other possible factors...
A bad connection can do it, altering the resistance and skewing the O2 sensor reading.
Low (or high) voltage can do it, either failing to adequately heat the O2 sensor, or skewing the O2 sensor reading.
A dirty or fouled O2 sensor can also affect the mixture, sometimes without the sensor being fatally damaged or throwing a code.
ray:High Temp
Hello Flamingo Babe
We had a check engine light come on ours the other day. We took the key out and restarted it 3 times before it went away. I rode it to work the other day 32 miles away and it did not come on, but this 2013 ST has made us gun shy. We keep waiting for another problem, we have had so many. I hope they find your problem and fix it quick. Keep us posted.
Hello Flamingo Babe
We had a check engine light come on ours the other day. We took the key out and restarted it 3 times before it went away. I rode it to work the other day 32 miles away and it did not come on, but this 2013 ST has made us gun shy. We keep waiting for another problem, we have had so many. I hope they find your problem and fix it quick. Keep us posted.
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