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Global Warming......yeah, about that!

Here we have a minuscule tax set up and dedicated to a clean up fund that is to be used when the next spill or other oil related mess happens. Now we will be waiting for congress to approve funds for cleanup, like I said we the people had no Idea there was any tax paid for clean up, sure we are paying for it every time we fill our gas tanks but removing the tax takes away the insurance that the money will be there to clean up another catastrophic spill,the point is you won't notice it because every entity that uses a petroleum product form the largest corporation to the kid running his moped around the block paid for it nobody noticed. The only people that will notice will be the oil companies, they will get a few million dollars to raise executive pay or pay dividends, we as the gas buying public won't see any change at the pump or any benefit. Just seems like throwing a giant steak to a fat cat, he likes but really doesn't need it.
 
I find it awful funny that there are people believing in global warming (and complaining we are going to melt) on a website dedicated to a CO2 producing vehicle (Spyder) in which is usually riden for enjoyment :popcorn:A pedal tricycle might be better for the believers (Complainers) so they can be doing their part in stopping global warming :dontknow:
I don't think it's humorous, ironic or hypocritical to express concern that we, as a country, are refusing to acknowledge and deal with a very real issue which affects us all, particularly future generations. It's called civic responsibility.
 
Then please do your part, and stop producing CO2. I myself will continue to ride and be happy :yes:
I'll do my part and engage in civil and productive discussion of issues that concern me. And, ride and be happy without guilt. And avoid pin-heads as much as possible.
 
A pedal tricycle might be better for the believers (Complainers) so they can be doing their part in stopping global warming :dontknow:
I read one time where a guy showed there was less total impact on the environment by driving an old fashioned Buick over that of riding a bicycle for a distance of something like 20 or 30 miles. That included the environmental impact of producing the food to provide the energy the bicyclist needed to make the ride.
 
In Vermont we are having a heat wave,, temps in the 40's, we are out of the deep freeze! WOHOOOOOOOOOOO!

Deanna
 
Corporations do pay tax...
That's one opinion. Here's another: kep-up is correct.

Corporations do not pay tax. They collect tax, and forward it to the government. Because...

...only PEOPLE pay tax. Living, breathing, sentient human beings pay ALL the taxes. The "corporate" tax is only a clever way of hiding from you and me, the total tax we pay for all the stuff we buy.

The rest of your post was a strained dodge, one that helps to cover the deceit. Corporate tax is only collected on PROFITS, right? No profit, no tax, right? :dontknow:

So a profit, by definition, means all the corporation's costs were covered by the selling price. And the tax they must forward to the government is one of those costs. So who paid the price that covered all the costs? Guess...

And even if those "taxes" are somehow passed to the stockholders, as you say, then just who are those stockholders? Aren't they just people too?

Oh well, not being a tax accountant, I could be wrong... I've been known to be wrong before! :joke:

But I still agree with kep-up.
 
That's one opinion. Here's another: kep-up is correct.

Corporations do not pay tax. They collect tax, and forward it to the government. Because...only PEOPLE pay tax. Living, breathing, sentient human beings pay ALL the taxes. The "corporate" tax is only a clever way of hiding from you and me, the total tax we pay for all the stuff we buy.

Corporate tax is only collected on PROFITS, right? No profit, no tax, right? :dontknow:

So a profit, by definition, means all the corporation's costs were covered by the selling price. And the tax they must forward to the government is one of those costs. So who paid the price that covered all the costs? Guess...

And even if those "taxes" are somehow passed to the stockholders, as you say, then just who are those stockholders? Aren't they just people too?
Geez, to think I went to college for 4 years in accounting and became a CPA for nothing. Who knew finance and taxes were so simple?
 
Corporations do pay tax, the only question is to whom those costs are passed. When you say, "ALL costs of doing business are passed on to the consumer all the time," that's not necessarily true. You are disregarding the laws of supply and demand. Yes, if you have a product in high demand, you can get by with raising your prices and indeed, consumers will bear the cost. However, if too many costs get passed on, demand is reduced as consumers rebel. At some point consumers may simply choose to do without the corporation's product or else find an alternative. At that point, the corporation cannot pass the taxes on to consumers and therefore the taxes will actually be passed on to the corporation's shareholders in the form of reduced profits and dividends. If all costs of doing business could always be passed on to consumers, nobody would ever go out of business.

Corporations do NOT pay taxes out of their own pocket. Taxes are paid from any earnings the corporations make. The corporation's customers pay those taxes as part of the price they pay for the corporation's products.
 
Hi missouri,

Re: Raquel Welch is now 77 years old!

She is only 13 days older than me; I definitely would date her.

Would that make her a cougar?

:yes:

Jerry Baumchen
 
Geez, to think I went to college for 4 years in accounting and became a CPA for nothing. Who knew finance and taxes were so simple?

Of course finance and taxes are simple and easy. That's why you can do the full long form 1040 in about 60 seconds, that's why the tax code is only 20 pages long, that's why the mortgage on your house is only half a page long, that's why the federal government can afford to cut taxes, spend more and still balance the budget, and if medical insurance costs more, it's 110% because of O b a m a care and has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that doctors, hospitals and Big Pharma continue to raise prices. There's nothing complicated about any of this. There are no nuances, no gray areas, no fine print, no consequences. Everything's simple and easy. No need to think. Our leaders will know exactly what to do and will tell us who to blame when things don't work out like they said. Just do as you are told. Get with the program, Pete. MAGA.
 
Hi missouri,

Re: Raquel Welch is now 77 years old!

She is only 13 days older than me; I definitely would date her.

Would that make her a cougar?

:yes:

Jerry Baumchen
Well, I guess I'd take that date too, since she's 352 days younger than me! LOL!

(That is, if missourigirl doesn't object. :opps: )



 
That's one opinion. Here's another: kep-up is correct.

Corporations do not pay tax. They collect tax, and forward it to the government. Because...

...only PEOPLE pay tax. Living, breathing, sentient human beings pay ALL the taxes. The "corporate" tax is only a clever way of hiding from you and me, the total tax we pay for all the stuff we buy.

The rest of your post was a strained dodge, one that helps to cover the deceit. Corporate tax is only collected on PROFITS, right? No profit, no tax, right? :dontknow:

So a profit, by definition, means all the corporation's costs were covered by the selling price. And the tax they must forward to the government is one of those costs. So who paid the price that covered all the costs? Guess...

And even if those "taxes" are somehow passed to the stockholders, as you say, then just who are those stockholders? Aren't they just people too?

Oh well, not being a tax accountant, I could be wrong... I've been known to be wrong before! :joke:

But I still agree with kep-up.

Thank you.

The small business I own and operate does not pay any taxes. It simply handles the money that is collected from my clients in the form of fees for services. These fees paid by the client include the operating costs, a small bit of money for me and any taxes that will be owed to the various gov't agencies. Therefore, the business does not pay the taxes, the client in a roundabout way pays the taxes. Oh, by the way, I also add a wee bit to cover the time and expense of handling the taxes. I however, am required to pay income taxes on the small amount I pay myself each month.

I am not a CPA, but I thought that's how it is supposed to work?
 
Then please do your part, and stop producing CO2.

At some point that might be NECESSARY.
I'm hoping that other solutions can be implemented so that is not necessary.......but I'm not optimistic.

On the tax thing.......just saw in the paper today a widely accepted economic analysis of tax decreases:
Every dollar given to the rich is worth about 60 cents to the total economy. Every dollar given to the "poor" is worth about $1.60.

Those who believe the hype that trickle down works to benefit that overall economy are just buying into more BS from the same BS purveyors who convinced you that Trump would make a good President. Apparently you really can't fix stupidity.
 
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At some point that might be NECESSARY.
I'm hoping that other solutions can be implemented so that is not necessary.......but I'm not optimistic.

On the tax thing.......just saw in the paper today a widely accepted economic analysis of tax decreases:
Every dollar given to the rich is worth about 60 cents to the total economy. Every dollar given to the "poor" is worth about $1.60.

Those who believe the hype that trickle down works to benefit that overall economy are just buying into more BS from the same BS purveyors who convinced you that Trump would make a good President. Apparently you really can't fix stupidity.

You are showing your politics, my friend. This topic needs to get back on subject.
 
On the tax thing.......just saw in the paper today a widely accepted economic analysis of tax decreases: Every dollar given to the rich is worth about 60 cents to the total economy. Every dollar given to the "poor" is worth about $1.60.

Those who believe the hype that trickle down works to benefit that overall economy are just buying into more BS from the same BS purveyors who convinced you that Trump would make a good President. Apparently you really can't fix stupidity.

That's because of another established economics concept called 'velocity of money'. With the rich, velocity is low because that dollar will go into static investments. With the poor, the same dollar will exchange hands many times because it will be spent in the economy on consumption.

Trickle down economics is a scam pure and simple. I guess we'll just have to wait and see who is right.
 
business taxes

I Know that people who own small businesses get breaks that the hired help don't. The boss buys a new vehicle for the business and gets a deprecation write off the employee buys a car to get to work and has a car payment no write off. all expenses for repair and maintenance for the company vehicle are an expense and are a write off, the working person looses an engine or a transmission, to bad, gas and oil at his expense also, no write off. I'm not saying you should not have these deductions but many business owners also use that vehicle to get back and forth to work and they get to expense that also, I can't expense my transportation. I know that this is probably an over simplification but it is a break that workers don't get.
 
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