Global Warming......yeah, about that!

[CA Railwhale]

experience

Might it be possible that a lot of these "catastrophic" events happened 50 years ago, but there wasn't immediate 24 hour news coverage on multiples of news stations? Therefore, it wasn't known worldwide as it is now?

Might it be possible that during the last 50 years more humans decided to actually build expensive houses and live in "catastrophe" prone areas?

Might it be possible that "catastrophes" such as forest fires and storms could be a good thing except for the statement above? After all, for thousands of years these were natures way of rejuvenating itself. Why do some of us humans think we know better than nature? Why don't we humans learn to live with nature instead of expecting nature to live around our egotistical desires?

Just askin'...........

From my personal experience living in So Cal for over fifty years, people ARE building expensive homes in destruction-prone areas. Especially along the coast. In the sixties beach houses were set back from the water even at high tide. Now they are built out over the water so more people can indulge in "beach living" even if there is no beach. Forest fires are a normal part of the So Cal environment, some species of plants and trees here can't reproduce without fire damage according to a So Cal Ecology class I took way back in college. One of the reasons we have these mega fires is that humans stop the small fires before they can burn off the undergrowth as nature intended. We also build in flood plains or on landfill like San Francisco has done. Most of the Bay Front property in San Francisco and Oakland is fill made up of sand, dirt and oyster shells done in the nineteenth century to expand the cities into the bay.

 

[Bike-O-Din]

Need more proof?

 

[rustynail51]

JUST AN OBSERVER

I have noticed big changes in the sixty six I have existed on this planet don't know if they are good or not, but in the year of 1997 we here in the red river valley had over 100 inches of snow new record i went out and spent time with friends to help sand bag homes. We had one of the worst floods in modern times the whole downtown of Grand Forks burned and flooded because the dikes over flowed and emergency vehicles couldn't get to where they needed, it wasn't but a year or two later we we're flooded again the emergency management officials in Fargo evacuated the nursing home i worked at saying it was another 100 year flooding event, the memory of the last flood was still fresh in my memory. To say that every thing hunky dory is in my opinion is not right. Hope my punctuation and sentence construction is better, my son is an English teacher not me. I know I am opinionated but that is just me.

 

[missouriboy]

P.S. Your "examples" exhibit a total lack of common sense.......college degree or not.

You just exhibited your total inability to recognize irony......college degree or not. :sour:

 

[Easy Rider]

You just exhibited your total inability to recognize irony......college degree or not. :sour:

That too. :lecturef_smilie:

 

[Fat Baxter]

Getting back to the original post, I too passed on my annual New Year's Day ride. The high that day in south central Alabama was a balmy 34 degrees with blustery wind. I wimped out.

As to the global warming/cooling discussion, some nuggets I've picked up:

- Several decades ago (and I forget which way the threat was trending back then), some climate scientist put up a slide that proclaimed DOOM, DESTRUCTION, and EXTINCTION if we didn't change our ways. Then one guy in the back spoke up. "Excuse me, but I've seen that same trend line in another forum. I'm an astronomer, and that looks almost exactly like the surface temperature trends over time for Mars and Venus." The point being that the sun is likely the largest driver of variations in Earth's surface temperature.

- I might be more amenable to the arguments that "many scientists agree," if there weren't so many stories out there where scientists have demonstrated that others have been cooking the books on their data. "Watts Up With That" is one well-known blog that captures this.

- I'm especially leery when politicians climb on board an issue and start offering solutions. Most politicians don't know enough to sell K-Y jelly in a bordello. Oddly enough, almost all of their solutions entail taking more money from me and handing it to their cronies. Most of the green initiatives funded by the previous administration (e.g., Solyndra) soon went under after they received their millions of tax dollars. Funny how that happens.

 

[UtahPete]

- Several decades ago (and I forget which way the threat was trending back then), some climate scientist put up a slide that proclaimed DOOM, DESTRUCTION, and EXTINCTION if we didn't change our ways. Then one guy in the back spoke up. "Excuse me, but I've seen that same trend line in another forum. I'm an astronomer, and that looks almost exactly like the surface temperature trends over time for Mars and Venus."

You sure you didn't just stumble into a tent revival meeting? ray:

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

why worry, in another 100,000 or so years the climate will cycle again

 

[rustynail51]

just going to ramble a bit more

To say that man has not had an effect on the climate is ridicules. We've had an impact on almost every facet of our environment from tho water we drink to the air we breath, the earth is constantly in flux. I believe what the human creatures on this planet have done is to change the rate of that change. We aren't going to stop this change in its tracks but steps taken now could slow it down. We can also look at things that are advantageous to all of us like higher efficiency form the cars we drive to electrical generation. this saves us the expense of building more power plants and our automobiles have less of an impact on air quality, LED light bulbs give us more light while using less electricity saving everyone money. Common sense is a valuable commodity and we need it.Common sense tells me I don't want to go back to the model t or or using a 100 watt bulb when a 15 watt will do or to the good old days when power plants, factories and mining operations spewed everything into our air and water with out environmental regulation every time we make thing more efficient we cure many problems. Ain't technology great

 

[UtahPete]

To say that man has not had an effect on the climate is ridicules. We've had an impact on almost every facet of our environment from tho water we drink to the air we breath, the earth is constantly in flux. I believe what the human creatures on this planet have done is to change the rate of that change. We aren't going to stop this change in its tracks but steps taken now could slow it down. We can also look at things that are advantageous to all of us like higher efficiency form the cars we drive to electrical generation. this saves us the expense of building more power plants and our automobiles have less of an impact on air quality, LED light bulbs give us more light while using less electricity saving everyone money. Common sense is a valuable commodity and we need it.Common sense tells me I don't want to go back to the model t or or using a 100 watt bulb when a 15 watt will do or to the good old days when power plants, factories and mining operations spewed everything into our air and water with out environmental regulation every time we make thing more efficient we cure many problems. Ain't technology great

:agree:
Thanks for the ramble. We need to work together to solve this problem, and avoid the partisan bickering that has Congress deadlocked on this and other important issues of our time.

 

[Easy Rider]

We need to work together to solve this problem, not engage in partisan bickering.

I think you need to explain your comment a bit.

I saw NOTHING in his post that could be characterized as "partisan".

Unless maybe you think the other side of the "argument" is that we should just let everybody and everything run amok so that we kill ourselves off in 100 years or so.

 

[gnorthern]

I have problems with people saying climate change is natural. I think everybody agrees with that.

My main point, and one other point.
1. The immediate problem is how fast and how much the climate is changing. Can we adapt to this rapid change?
2. Coal and oil deposits formed when CO2 levels were much higher and vegetation was much lusher. That removed CO2 from the air. If we put all of that CO2 back into the atmosphere, we will have a climate similar to back then.

 

[UtahPete]

I think you need to explain your comment a bit. I saw NOTHING in his post that could be characterized as "partisan". Unless maybe you think the other side of the "argument" is that we should just let everybody and everything run amok so that we kill ourselves off in 100 years or so.

I was agreeing with him and saying that we need to work together to solve this problem. I'm concerned that all the partisan bickering in Congress is preventing us making any real progress with this issue.

 

[Peteoz]

I have problems with people saying climate change is natural. I think everybody agrees with that. .

Well THAT confused me ��. Did you perhaps mean to say “I have NO problems with people saying......”, gnorthern?

Pete

 

[Easy Rider]

I was agreeing with him and saying that we need to work together to solve this problem. I'm concerned that all the partisan bickering in Congress is preventing us making any real progress with this issue.

OK. When you started out with "Thanks for the ramble.", that kind of took me down the wrong path.

AND......I think I would welcome a bit of old-fashioned bickering.......instead of the current: "Don't talk to me unless you are willing to capitulate 100% with my analysis of the situation."

While that comes from both sides, it comes WAY more from one side........which actually had several of their prominent members say publicly at the beginning of *****'s first term: "We are not going to help with ANYTHING. We are going to do everything we can to see that he falls flat on his face. And then we will laugh when he fails." And they proceeded to do pretty much exactly that. Only they didn't get to gloat nearly as much as they had hoped for.

 

[UtahPete]

OK. When you started out with "Thanks for the ramble.", that kind of took me down the wrong path.

AND......I think I would welcome a bit of old-fashioned bickering.......instead of the current: "Don't talk to me unless you are willing to capitulate 100% with my analysis of the situation."

While that comes from both sides, it comes WAY more from one side........which actually had several of their prominent members say publicly at the beginning *****'s first term: "We are not going to help with ANYTHING. We are going to do everything we can to see that he falls flat on his face. And then we will laugh when he fails." And they proceeded to do pretty much exactly that. Only they didn't get to gloat nearly as much as they had hoped for.

Mitch McConnell, upon President O's election, publicly stated that the #1 goal of the GOP Senators, of which he was minority leader, was to make sure O*a*a was a one-term President, by denying him any legislative achievements. Obstruction, obfuscation and misleading propaganda was the game plan for 8 years and it worked somewhat.

 

[Easy Rider]

WOW. It seems that the name of our last President is being censored out of posts.

I'm floored. Let's try Trump.

Edit: Nope. Trump is OK.......but O b a m a is not ????

 

[gnorthern]

Well THAT confused me ��. Did you perhaps mean to say “I have NO problems with people saying......”, gnorthern?

Pete

What is the difference between no and NO?

btw - Summarizing some of the disagreement I think the question people are debating is "Will the majority of climate change over the next 100 years be natural or due to actions of people?" People seem to saying it is either due to nature or due to man.

 

[Peteoz]

What is the difference between no and NO?

There would be absolutely no difference if either of the above appeared in your first sentence. But without either of them appearing in your first sentence, your post is a bit hard to follow.

Pete

 

[davehirst]

and Yet

To say that man has not had an effect on the climate is ridicules. We've had an impact on almost every facet of our environment from tho water we drink to the air we breath, the earth is constantly in flux. I believe what the human creatures on this planet have done is to change the rate of that change. We aren't going to stop this change in its tracks but steps taken now could slow it down. We can also look at things that are advantageous to all of us like higher efficiency form the cars we drive to electrical generation. this saves us the expense of building more power plants and our automobiles have less of an impact on air quality, LED light bulbs give us more light while using less electricity saving everyone money. Common sense is a valuable commodity and we need it.Common sense tells me I don't want to go back to the model t or or using a 100 watt bulb when a 15 watt will do or to the good old days when power plants, factories and mining operations spewed everything into our air and water with out environmental regulation every time we make thing more efficient we cure many problems. Ain't technology great

And yet with all of these innovations, we aren't making any difference! (According to all the climate change people) I read several articles that say one of the volcano's erupting, releases more CO2 than all of mankind has since mankind existed.