Global Warming......yeah, about that!

[Bob Denman]

it's a pity that i like beef since cows are one of the largest producers of green house gas, well them & my wife

Don't forget Bob... :roflblack:

 

[CA Railwhale]

Paris Accord

There is an old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Doing something just to do something without thinking through the consequences is worse than doing nothing. The Paris Accord will do nothing to stop or even slow climate change. All it does is to destroy the economy's of the first world and transfer wealth to the third world. To make a meaningful stride towards slowing the climate change, you'd have to reduce the population of the entire world to dark ages level and eliminate modern technology. Even that wouldn't stop it because most of the causes aren't driven by mankind.

 

[Mikey]

Interesting factoid about mosquitoes...

A mosquito is so nimble in flight that it can fly through a rainstorm dodging every raindrop so perfectly that it reaches its destination bone-dry!

(Hey, it must be true! I read it decades ago in a magazine, not on the Internet.)

I thought I just say one dodge a snow flake up here on my patio!!:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: He had his helmet on, he was safe it snowing so hard I cant see the mailbox.

 

[BajaRon]

There is an old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Doing something just to do something without thinking through the consequences is worse than doing nothing. The Paris Accord will do nothing to stop or even slow climate change. All it does is to destroy the economy's of the first world and transfer wealth to the third world. To make a meaningful stride towards slowing the climate change, you'd have to reduce the population of the entire world to dark ages level and eliminate modern technology. Even that wouldn't stop it because most of the causes aren't driven by mankind.

The planet has been much warmer (many times) than it is now. It has also been much colder (many times) than it is now. Every previous warm/cold event had nothing to do with human population or activity. This is a fact that no one is debating.

 

[gnorthern]

About that: There was concensus among scientists in the 60's and 70's, when I was in school, that there was an ice age coming.

I studied natural resources management from 1972 to 1976. I studied temperatures follow cycles and we were going to enter a cooling phase, CO2 was increasing, particulate matter was decreasing (bad for lungs but cools the earth), plant growth increases in response to CO2 thus removing it from the air, we were destroying the ability of plant growth on the earth to act as a buffer, ... I am guessing the consensus was they had no idea what would happen.

btw - Since I planned clearcuts, environmental groups made it clear people like me were bad.

 

[UtahPete]

I studied natural resources management from 1972 to 1976. I studied temperatures follow cycles and we were going to enter a cooling phase, CO2 was increasing, particulate matter was decreasing (bad for lungs but cools the earth), plant growth increases in response to CO2 thus removing it from the air, we were destroying the ability of plant growth on the earth to act as a buffer, ... I am guessing the consensus was they had no idea what would happen. btw - Since I planned clearcuts, environmental groups made it clear people like me were bad.

That was before personal computers, smart phones and digital cameras, etc. I think science has made some strides since then.

 

[CA Railwhale]

correct

The planet has been much warmer (many times) than it is now. It has also been much colder (many times) than it is now. Every previous warm/cold event had nothing to do with human population or activity. This is a fact that no one is debating.

You are absolutely correct. While mankind has some effect on climate change, nothing we do can control it. We should exert reasonable efforts to not abuse the Earth, limiting pollution and recycling and such, but the alarmists need to wrap their heads around the fact they there is little we can do to affect the climate. One of the big problems the alarmists have is that they view the last hundred years or so as the baseline temp of the planet. It isn't. It also probably isn't the ideal temp for the entire planet since much of the fresh water is tied up in ice caps and glaciers.

 

[UtahPete]

You are absolutely correct. While mankind has some effect on climate change, nothing we do can control it. We should exert reasonable efforts to not abuse the Earth, limiting pollution and recycling and such, but the alarmists need to wrap their heads around the fact they there is little we can do to affect the climate. One of the big problems the alarmists have is that they view the last hundred years or so as the baseline temp of the planet. It isn't. It also probably isn't the ideal temp for the entire planet since much of the fresh water is tied up in ice caps and glaciers.

That's fine. Just as long as the taxpayers don't have to bail out all the property owners that find themselves literally under water as the seas rise.

 

[kep-up]

That's fine. Just as long as the taxpayers don't have to bail out all the property owners that find themselves literally under water as the seas rise.

We bail them out now when a big storm washes their multi-million dollar house off the barrier reef.

 

[UtahPete]

We bail them out now when a big storm washes their multi-million dollar house off the barrier reef.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[CA Railwhale]

agree

That's fine. Just as long as the taxpayers don't have to bail out all the property owners that find themselves literally under water as the seas rise.

I agree with you. If you live in a flood zone, or low-lying coastal zone, it's on you. When I worked for AT&T I repeatedly went to the same beach houses to repair or rerun wiring after their decks, which actually ran out over the breakers, were destroyed by winter storms. In many occasions the seaward wall of the house was caved in. I asked a couple of the homeowners why they lived there and they all said that paying to repair the damage was the cost of a great view.

 

[MRH]

The anecdotal experience in one area in one season is just one data point of many. It's like saying that because you saw a good movie that overall movies are getting better. You just saw one movie. One the other hand, the average temperatures are rising and we do have a large number of extreme weather events.

Even anecdotally, does the overall weather in the country really feel normal? How many floods, fires, and hurricanes have we had on the last year or so?

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Arrrgggghhh ... how's your marriage doing?

quite well as long as at times i keep distance.

 

[BajaRon]

The anecdotal experience in one area in one season is just one data point of many. It's like saying that because you saw a good movie that overall movies are getting better. You just saw one movie. One the other hand, the average temperatures are rising and we do have a large number of extreme weather events.

Even anecdotally, does the overall weather in the country really feel normal? How many floods, fires, and hurricanes have we had on the last year or so?

What is normal? I think this is a question that needs to be asked more often.

 

[kep-up]

Might it be possible that a lot of these "catastrophic" events happened 50 years ago, but there wasn't immediate 24 hour news coverage on multiples of news stations? Therefore, it wasn't known worldwide as it is now?

Might it be possible that during the last 50 years more humans decided to actually build expensive houses and live in "catastrophe" prone areas?

Might it be possible that "catastrophes" such as forest fires and storms could be a good thing except for the statement above? After all, for thousands of years these were natures way of rejuvenating itself. Why do some of us humans think we know better than nature? Why don't we humans learn to live with nature instead of expecting nature to live around our egotistical desires?

Just askin'...........

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Might it be possible that "catastrophes" such as forest fires and storms could be a good thing except for the statement above? After all, for thousands of years these were natures way of rejuvenating itself. Why do some of us humans think we know better than nature? Why don't we humans learn to live with nature instead of expecting nature to live around our egotistical desires?

I don't know why we get so all fire worked up about the environment. After all, in the end Mother Nature is going to win anyway! :banghead: Sometimes I think all we will accomplish is to delay the eventual extinction of mankind by a thousand years or so! Think about it. Dinosaurs went extinct and they were a whole lot more in tune with nature than we are!

 

[rustynail51]

Not my problem ?

As just an observer leave it to the people that it is going to really going to effect like our Children and grand children we should just keep doing what we always do and write off all these people that think they are smart because they have a degree from some prestigious college I still have relatively clean air to breath and clean water to drink so what is the problem. I live in a town with a railroad switch yard I watch several large coal trains go through every day but since I don't live next to the power plant why should I worry about co2 or any other emissions, the only problem I have is when there is a light south breeze I have to breath in the diesel fumes from the train engines but why should anyone not affected by this be concerned. What I'm getting at is we have the opportunity to save something for future and possibility prevent even greater sacrifices the next generations why not select that path instead of the one where we keep doing what we always do and trying to do the cleanup after every thing go to hell..

 

[BajaRon]

What do Sharks think about 'Global Warming'?

https://weather.com/science/nature/news/2018-01-04-shark-frozen-cape-cod-bay

 

[kep-up]

As just an observer leave it to the people that it is going to really going to effect like our Children and grand children we should just keep doing what we always do and write off all these people that think they are smart because they have a degree from some prestigious college I still have relatively clean air to breath and clean water to drink so what is the problem. I live in a town with a railroad switch yard I watch several large coal trains go through every day but since I don't live next to the power plant why should I worry about co2 or any other emissions, the only problem I have is when there is a light south breeze I have to breath in the diesel fumes from the train engines but why should anyone not affected by this be concerned. What I'm getting at is we have the opportunity to save something for future and possibility prevent even greater sacrifices the next generations why not select that path instead of the one where we keep doing what we always do and trying to do the cleanup after every thing go to hell..

College degrees? Don't mean squat without some common sense.

I KNOW!!!
Let's all turn off our electric lights and our electrically controlled heat or our electric heat. Then the power plant won't have to burn soooo much coal!
Wind turbines? They kill birds and insects! Can't have that!
Solar panels? Don't work when the sun doesn't shine. Besides they take too much space for the amount of output.
Treadmills? Animal rights people wouldn't like that and slavery is illegal and us rich people wouldn't want to run it ourselves. (we go to the gym to run on a treadmill. never could figger that one out)

ps: your sentences were sooo looong I had to reread your post twice to get any sense out of it. (Not picking a fight, just making an observation.)

Sincerely,
Crotchety Old Man

 

[Easy Rider]

College degrees? Don't mean squat without some common sense.

P.S. Your "examples" exhibit a total lack of common sense.......college degree or not.