Global Warming......yeah, about that!

[UtahPete]

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Bring it on!

 

[Roadster Renovations]

I have to laugh when I read this. Kill off the mosquitoes?
What are the 2 coldest states in the country?
Minnesota and Alaska.
Those 2 states grow mosquitoes as big as birds!
Chuck

They have adapted to the cold there. Here, not so much...
Seems there are two schools of thought on this. I did find this though:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/will-upcoming-first-frost-be-enough-to-kill-mosquitos/
With us being in the negatives for the first time in a while, I am being optimistic.

Looks like the best is (or worst) is yet to come:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-cold-late-this-week/?utm_term=.c5a91dc62181

 

[missouriboy]

Back to the mosquitoes for a moment...
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Up here we measure them. One that's only two inches (between the eyeballs!), has a lot of growing left to do! :shocked:

Interesting factoid about mosquitoes...

A mosquito is so nimble in flight that it can fly through a rainstorm dodging every raindrop so perfectly that it reaches its destination bone-dry!

(Hey, it must be true! I read it decades ago in a magazine, not on the Internet.)

 

[greybeard]

winter

did the polar bear ride here on new years day. 0 deg. 75 miles no problem

 

[Highwayman2013]

I’m not sure if the climat change is our fault or not. It does tend to fluctuate once every few years or so. That said 2017 was the hottest year on record in Las Vegas,NV. Of course weather records have only been kept here since 1937 so...

 

[ARtraveler]

Good, a native that would know about mosquitos in Alaska.
1. Is it normal for the coastal areas to not have that many mosquitos? I have had good luck in the Glacier Bay and Juneau area.
2. Is there a time before freezing weather when they thin out?
3. I was southwest of Fairbanks one time on a forest fire and though thick I was amazed at how well 40% DEET insect repellent worked. Is that true further north in the tundra?

Thanks.

P.S. I know the roads in Alaska are not suitable for a Spyder. This would be in an SUV.

I am not an "expert" on the flying vampires. But here goes.

1. Sounds logical--no scientific information though. Those that go "far north" can expect to wear a headnet to keep the critters at bay. They do get fierce up there.

2. Freezing weather will thin them out. You get that just south of Fairbanks in early September and even a bit earlier north of the Arctic Circle.

3. The high concentration of DEET does keep them at bay.

4. The bad roads are somewhat of a myth. We do have a large paved road system (Hwy 1, 2, 3, 4) that kind of makes an inland circle. Get off the road system and above the Arctic Circle and the roads are not Spyder friendly, unless you like gravel, frost heaves, and pot holes. I have over 140,000 Spyder miles on AK roads.

 

[CA Railwhale]

suspicious

About that: There was concensus among scientists in the 60's and 70's, when I was in school, that there was an ice age coming. Hasn't happened, now we are going the other way. There was concensus amoung scientists that Neanderthal man was part of the evolutionary chain leading to homo sapien, saw it in all my science books. About 10-15 years ago, they discovered that Neanderthal and homo sapien were contemporaries in the Middle East, Neanderthals died out and homo sapien continued.

Much of science is educated guesses about what did happen or what will happen. They are still guesses, many have proven wrong.

My un-educated guess is that any warming that has taken place is because of the radiant heat produced by all of the concrete and asphalt that has been poured in the last 50 years. March across a grass field, then across an asphalt road in Mississippi in August and you will see what I mean. I live in a rual area. The temps in the city range anywhere from 5-10 warmer. It's radiant heat.

I'm suspicious about the data sources. I know for a fact that the temp sensor for downtown Los Angeles was moved from a green belt in Exposition Park to the center of a concrete plaza at the Department of Water and Power. I know that's a fact because I installed the phone and data lines that the sensor reports on. Climate change exists, the climate has always been changing, but how much of it is man-made and how much of a threat is it in reality? Some places will get warmer and less fertile, others with get warmer and more fertile. It's not the end of the world, Homo Sapiens is a very adaptable species.

 

[UtahPete]

warming that has taken place is because of the radiant heat produced by all of the concrete and asphalt that has been poured in the last 50 years. March across a grass field, then across an asphalt road in Mississippi in August and you will see what I mean. I live in a rual area. The temps in the city range anywhere from 5-10 warmer. It's radiant heat.

I agree that is a major source of man-made warming, but certainly not the only one. The first step is to agree there is an adverse impact on our environment from man-made sources. Some we can do something about and some we can't. But, first we have to stop burying our head in the sand and acknowledge what is going on and why.

 

[GaryTheBadger]

There's a big difference between weather and climate.

 

[Big Juice]

Minus 9 here in Indiana this morning! Too cold to do my annual New Years' Ryde. :yikes::yikes::yikes::gaah::gaah::gaah: If this keeps up we will have to put heaters on our Spyders.:lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: Been back in 1870...something since we were this low.opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:
At least this should kill off some mosquitoes for the summer....:clap::clap::clap:

I've been to Alaska, cold doesn't work on those Hummingbird size skeeters.......so not sure it will work here in the lower 48.....wish it would though!

 

[johnsimion]

.. people who have nothing to gain from drawing that conclusion, unlike people who have a financial stake in unlimited growth and things the way they are.

I am am so pleased that you claim to stand on much higher ground, because you trust the "people that have nothing to gain". Mr. Gore certainly made no money from the books, speeches, carbon credit bank scam, and the "smarter" minions that he paid after counseling them to adopt and confirm his project I am sure made nothing from it.

Just because you only read and research one side of an issue does not make it fact.

there are plenty of real, respected and trusted researchers out there that have been bunking this "man made" global warming issue. Most of them admit that we did go through some periods of change in recent decades, but there was also during that same period an unusually high activity from the sun at the same time, meanwhile in the more recent decade we seem to be cooling off.

There is so much more, especially on this CO2 issue, but hey, it is a poison to us so we should limit it, but then we claim that we don't have enough trees and it is good for the trees.

Time will tell, but neither me, my kids nor theirs will be here for the demise, either way it goes.

Joe

It is difficult to respond to your responses without a flame, but here goes:

1) I never claimed to rely on what Al Gore says. I said I was relying on scientists. Al Gore is not a scientist, is he? So, you simply inserted something entirely extraneous into my own post to try to make me look bad. [Snarky comment 1 deleted here].

2. "Plenty of real, respected and trusted researchers that have been debunking this 'man made' global warming issue." Again, you're twisting things. I didn't say that scientists agree that global warming was man-made. What I actually said was that scientists agree that global warming is real. [Snarky comment 2 deleted here]. As I pointed out based on Lew's post -- and as you pointedly ignored -- the cause may be in the solar system itself but the phenomenon is definitely real. While we're on the man-made issue WHICH I DO NOT CLAIM, however, exactly WHO are these so-called respected scientists who disagree that global warming is man made? Because NASA lists 18 scientific associations that agree that it is both real and man-made. See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/. When NASA and 18 scientific associations agree on the issue, it starts to sound like that's the consensus and the "respected scientists" you are talking about are simply the "outliers" that I mentioned in the first post.

3. "There is so much more, especially on this CO2 issue, but hey, it is a poison to us so we should limit it, but then we claim that we don't have enough trees and it is good for the trees." Whoever said CO2 was a poison? Who claimed we don't have enough trees? I've never heard anyone make either claim. Again, you're inserting stuff into my post that I never said or claimed. [Snarky comment 3 deleted here].

4. "YOUR famous Paris Accords on climate change that was supposed to heavily tax the industrialized world for their sins against Mother Earth and pass it along to the undeveloped nations was another hoax. Of all the countries in the world China was listed as a developing nation and exempt from the "tax". Really, between China and India I am not sure that we can even scratch their performance. If you have not been there and seen it you should not talk about it, the media won't, but their pollution is outright blatant and without concern." Last time I checked, "I" didn't sign the Paris Accords on climate change, so it's not "MINE." As a matter of fact, I would have to agree that criticism of them with regard to China and India is legitimate; however the mere fact that the agreement is flawed merely means it needs fixing. You cannot seriously argue that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. The degree to which it may or may not contribute to global warming is open to debate, but as I pointed out, contributing more and more CO2 to the atmosphere is the equivalent of fertilizing the weeds in your garden. It can't help and it might hurt. The Paris Accords may be flawed -- ARE flawed -- but like so many things that are well-intentioned, the correct response was to fix what's wrong. Running away from a problem is just chicken and piss-poor leadership.

 

[Lew L]

"what is going on and why"

Many years ( lets say 70 or so) NOAA and other weather agencies put weather stations near cities BUT unaffected by the pavement and concrete. The cities GREW to encompass the weather stations ( I've seen one in a parking lot) and now MANY are in the " heat Island" as stated above. Will this effect the temperature data?????? I believe so.

Not mentioned in my previous rant about Global Warming------ Ocean currents in both the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans vary on multi decade long cycles just like sun spots. Again the stacking effect of many energies effecting the temperature of the Earth ( both lowering and raising it). The Pacific is greatly effected by the El Nino a La Nina current changes. Right NOW a huge COLD system is headed to the Atlantic. Will it effect the Gulf Stream current as it goes north and them passes Scotland on its way to make weather changes NEXT year???


OH ya------ The "Mounder Minium " -- A very cold period of low temperature just a blink of geological time in the recent past (1645 to 1710 or so). " The year without a summer" and George Washington crossing a Frozen river might have something to do with the stacking of earths' and suns many weather related phenomenon.

Well the flaming will continue and I'll try to find more interesting facts about " Global Warming"

Lew L

 

[johnsimion]

About that: There was concensus among scientists in the 60's and 70's, when I was in school, that there was an ice age coming. Hasn't happened, now we are going the other way. There was concensus amoung scientists that Neanderthal man was part of the evolutionary chain leading to homo sapien, saw it in all my science books. About 10-15 years ago, they discovered that Neanderthal and homo sapien were contemporaries in the Middle East, Neanderthals died out and homo sapien continued.

The "ice age" consensus was not real, it was media-driven. See https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm
"A survey of peer reviewed scientific papers from 1965 to 1979 show that few papers predicted global cooling (7 in total). Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming (Peterson 2008). The large majority of climate research in the 1970s predicted the Earth would warm as a consequence of CO2. Rather than 1970s scientists predicting cooling, the opposite is the case."

I also went to school in the 1970s and never once did I hear that Neanderthals were supposedly part of the evolutionary chain. Moreover, I've found a 1992 NY Times article (precisely 15 years ago) that says this about your so-called "consensus": "Scientists have been arguing about Neanderthals since the discovery of a partial skull in a cave in the Neander Valley of Germany in 1856." http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/04/science/neanderthals-dead-end-or-ancestor.html?pagewanted=all. Arguing about it since 1856. Now that's some consensus you have there!

 

[Bob Denman]

With all of this talk of Global warming: what oil will you use in your Spyder? :dontknow:


...And let's not forget about tire pressures!

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

it's a pity that i like beef since cows are one of the largest producers of green house gas, well them & my wife

 

[UtahPete]

it's a pity that i like beef since cows are one of the largest producers of green house gas, well them & my wife

Arrrgggghhh ... how's your marriage doing?

 

[ARtraveler]

With all of this talk of Global warming: what oil will you use in your Spyder? :dontknow:


...And let's not forget about tire pressures!

Thanks for keeping it :spyder2::f_spider::ani29:. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[Deanna777]

-21 yesterday
last 2 wks below zero every night

This past week-end it was -24 below in Derby VT . This week-end the wind chill temps -45 below, we need a break from the DEEP FREEZE soon. Tomorrow a snow storm, then back to the deep freeze. Send the bitter cold back to Canada.

Hurry up spring!

Deanna

 

[bmccaffrey]

i don'y really give a rats ass about all these scientific explanations

IT'S COLD PERIOD!!

 

[Deanna777]

i don'y really give a rats ass about all these scientific explanations

IT'S COLD PERIOD!!

:agree: To dam COLD! Deanna