Communication systems on 2014 RTS ?

[ThreeWheels]

How do all these bluetooth things play with each other ?
The SR10 acts as an adapter for the CB radio. But it also acts as a gateway for the GPS and mobile phone and intercom bike to bike as well as other headsets on the bike (passenger).
The SMH10 headset acts as an intercom, and connects to the mobile phone and the GPS.
Is there some order to pair the units in so they don't step all over each other ?

 

[finless]

How do all these bluetooth things play with each other ?
The SR10 acts as an adapter for the CB radio. But it also acts as a gateway for the GPS and mobile phone and intercom bike to bike as well as other headsets on the bike (passenger).
The SMH10 headset acts as an intercom, and connects to the mobile phone and the GPS.
Is there some order to pair the units in so they don't step all over each other ?

For bike to bike or driver/passenger comms, you only need the BT headsets. They bind to each other for comms. Be careful which set your order as some models have a smaller limited amount of headsets you can bind to.

The SR10 you are correct is for connecting a CB and getting it to work to a BT headset. You would bind the SR10 to a headset. I have not fully studied the SR10 to see if you can bind more than one headset.

As a gateway for a GPS or phone, just remember the SR10 is MONO only not stereo. So if you plan to play music from your GPS or phone remember that. There are a couple ways to hook a GPS or phone to the SR10.
1) Use a cable from the GPS or phone to the AUX on the SR10. Not additional binding to the headset needed.
2) Bind the GPS or phone directly to your headset (No SR10 is then needed for this!). Note: not all GPS units can bind to a headset! The ZUMO's can.
3) Bind the GPS or phone to the SR10. The SR10 will then stream any audio from the phone or GPS to the headsets.

Now if you want to hear the BRP radio or anything it is playing (like your iPod) you could use the SR10 and a dongle cable BUT this is not the best way as it will not be stereo.
For this you need the SM10 audio streaming device and a dongle cable to run it to the RD02 connector on the BRP radio.
The way you can use or bind the SM10 to headsets is the same as above for the SR10.

Yes, the SR10 and SM10 will play together and both can be bound to your headsets.

Now as far as the order in which all this gets bound to each other.......
You can bind these in just about any order you want HOWEVER I have found that the order is important or things tend to not work well. The order is kind of outlined in the Sena instructions but not specifically.
In my opinion this is the best way.
1) Bind all helmet systems first. Make your driver helmet #1 of master first bind.
2) Bind any phone or GPS to your helmet if you want to go this route rather than through a SM10 or SR10. If you want to bind the GPS or Phone to the SR or SM10, skip this and go on.
3) Bind the SR10 to your headsets next if you have that for CB.
4) Bind the SM10 to the headsets next if you have that for stereo.
5) Now bind your Phone or GPS to the SR10 or SM10. I would go with the SM10 over the SR10 for stereo. Don't do this step if you decided to bind your phone or GPS directly to the helmets.

Bob

 

[ThreeWheels]

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The SR10 you are correct is for connecting a CB and getting it to work to a BT headset. You would bind the SR10 to a headset.
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In my opinion this is the best way.
1) Bind all helmet systems first. Make your driver helmet #1 of master first bind.
2) Bind any phone or GPS to your helmet if you want to go this route rather than through a SM10 or SR10. If you want to bind the GPS or Phone to the SR or SM10, skip this and go on.
3) Bind the SR10 to your headsets next if you have that for CB.
4) Bind the SM10 to the headsets next if you have that for stereo.
5) Now bind your Phone or GPS to the SR10 or SM10. I would go with the SM10 over the SR10 for stereo. Don't do this step if you decided to bind your phone or GPS directly to the helmets.

Bob

You Sir, are my hero. I already own a handheld CB, but will only use that occasionally. I will follow your suggestions precisely.
Thanks again!
SKS

 

[stevedfive]

I agree, he is the man.

 

[Marker]

I put the midland cb and the SR10 in the center dash pouch and let the ant hang out the zipper. I can unzip and adjust things when needed. This is the best solution I've figured out. Works good. I ran the push to talk cable up through the center of the handle bars and attached to left grip.
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Great idea ! Where did you get your windshield bag from?
Could you please post a pic of the left handgrip with the PTT button mounted to it.
I am to do the same thing as you and Vidman

 

[finless]

Great idea ! Where did you get your windshield bag from?
Could you please post a pic of the left handgrip with the PTT button mounted to it.
I am to do the same thing as you and Vidman

I am not sure where he got his but HOPNEL makes that bag set.

Here it is at Value Accessories which is a sponsor here and I use them all the time for orders and they are a great shop!

http://store.valueaccessories.net/WindshieldDashTri-PouchCan-AmRT.aspx

Bob

 

[lyonsden]

Great idea ! Where did you get your windshield bag from?
Could you please post a pic of the left handgrip with the PTT button mounted to it.
I am to do the same thing as you and Vidman

I did get it at Value Accessories. Attached are some photos that might help.

 

[Vidman]

Great idea ! Where did you get your windshield bag from?
Could you please post a pic of the left handgrip with the PTT button mounted to it.
I am to do the same thing as you and Vidman

I have thought of this also. However my friends complained about the static using the small antenna. Sooooo, I added the ngp fire stick to my luggage rack and put the radio in the trunk. Keep in mind that my riding buddies are using Brand X (Harley) radios. Lol.

I am deciding how/where to add a dc plug on my 2014 rt dash. My only concern us rain.

I have found the best set up for me is the BRP sound system thru the speakers. The intercom and cb thru Bluetooth.

When ryding in towns BT can get interference in congested areas. Just be aware and deal with it (I ignore it).


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[charles_1947]

Bluetooth Question

I just purchased a 2014 TR S SE6 and the dealer said that if we purchase the CanAm brand wireless headsets, that the passenger audio controls would work independently, but said he didn't think the passenger audio controls would work with aftermarkets like Sena. You say you use Sena..do the passenger audio controls work with them?

We use Sena SMH10 helmet communicators for bike to bike communications.

 

[ThreeWheels]

I am deciding how/where to add a dc plug on my 2014 rt dash. My only concern us rain.


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May I suggest the following set up. It's designed for boats so it's water resistant. I installed this on my old ST1100 and it was pretty successful.
I'm also planning on putting this on my Catalina to run the spotlight at night.

http://www.meoestore.com/marinco-sealink-plug-receptacle-12v-p-62008.html

 

[Vidman]

Sorry I wasn't explicit.....I'm concerned with the portable radio getting wet.


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[ThreeWheels]

I found this for charging multiple little units

I just bought one of these 25 watt units with 5 USB outputs. Seems pretty nice. This will solve the problem of having a whole pile of those little vampire chargers scattered about the hotel room when travelling.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EasyAcc-25-...S_Cell_Phone_PDA_Chargers&hash=item3a954bfba5

 

[ThreeWheels]

OK, here is where I am:
I picked up the 2014 RTS today.
I've got both headsets paired to each other.
The GPS is hardwired to the audio system and overrides the music when giving voice prompts. I'm very OK with that.
I have the SM 10 connected to the audio system of the bike and paired to the headsets so I can get the audio and GPS voice prompts.Unlike the 2010 system, I can independently shut down the music without also stopping the GPS voice prompts.
My phone is paired directly with headset, bypassing the GPS.
The SM 10 is on a switched circuit. Do I have to turn the SM 10 on and off every time I go for a ride ? Can I leave it on and allow the SM 10 battery to drain until I start the bike again at which point it will start to recharge ? I can't imagine using the SM 10 anywhere else but on the Spyder.
What is everyone else doing ?

 

[Jim&Teresa]

OK, here is where I am:
I picked up the 2014 RTS today.
I've got both headsets paired to each other.
The GPS is hardwired to the audio system and overrides the music when giving voice prompts. I'm very OK with that.
I have the SM 10 connected to the audio system of the bike and paired to the headsets so I can get the audio and GPS voice prompts.Unlike the 2010 system, I can independently shut down the music without also stopping the GPS voice prompts.
My phone is paired directly with headset, bypassing the GPS.
The SM 10 is on a switched circuit. Do I have to turn the SM 10 on and off every time I go for a ride ? Can I leave it on and allow the SM 10 battery to drain until I start the bike again at which point it will start to recharge ? I can't imagine using the SM 10 anywhere else but on the Spyder.
What is everyone else doing ?

Yes, you need to shut off the SM10 each time it sits a long time...it will discharge otherwise!
I wish the SM10 would have an auto off feature, but it doesn't. I think many of us have learned, the hard way, that you must turn it off if you let the bike sit a few days. I don't shut it off on quick stops when rydin'. However, now I'm in a routine to shut it off when I park the bike in my garage.

I mounted mine in the rear trunk lid for easy access. I don't know why BRP has it in the front frunk? Not very convenient. When I installed the wiring harness from the radio to the SM10 unit (installed it on both the 2012 and 2014 RTs), it is SO MUCH easier to place the SM10 in the rear trunk from a wiring routing standpoint! Plus, IMHO it is so much easier to access. I originally had it on the side of the rear trunk, but like it much better in the trunk lid for ease of access.

Here's a pic of the SM10 unit and the bracket (mounted with double stick tape and one short screw) where it's place in the rear trunk lid:

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[ThreeWheels]

Yes, you need to shut off the SM10 each time it sits a long time...it will discharge otherwise!
I wish the SM10 would have an auto off feature, but it doesn't. I think many of us have learned, the hard way, that you must turn it off if you let the bike sit a few days. I don't shut it off on quick stops when rydin'. However, now I'm in a routine to shut it off when I park the bike in my garage.

I mounted mine in the rear trunk lid for easy access. I don't know why BRP has it in the front frunk? Not very convenient. When I installed the wiring harness from the radio to the SM10 unit (installed it on both the 2012 and 2014 RTs), it is SO MUCH easier to place the SM10 in the rear trunk from a wiring routing standpoint! Plus, IMHO it is so much easier to access. I originally had it on the side of the rear trunk, but like it much better in the trunk lid for ease of access.

Here's a pic of the SM10 unit and the bracket (mounted with double stick tape and one short screw) where it's place in the rear trunk lid:

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Thanks so much for your response. I'm wondering if I can change the power supply to a "constant on" source.
If I put the spyder on a battery tender when not in use that shouldn't be a problem.
The SAGA continues.

 

[Jim&Teresa]

Thanks so much for your response. I'm wondering if I can change the power supply to a "constant on" source.
If I put the spyder on a battery tender when not in use that shouldn't be a problem.
The SAGA continues.

Since the wiring harness is from the radio and the radio is "switched", that power lead probably won't work. Only thought is power it directly, not with the radio power source. For me, it would be easy as I have my rear trunk power socket "on" all the time.

One thing to consider is that it will run your battery down over a long time....I'm sure the power drain is minimal, but wouldn't leave it on all the time unless you have the battery tender on it..

However, it really is not that hard to turn the SM10 off and on each time....it's just a routine.

Good luck with your decision on your SM10 power options....

 

[ThreeWheels]

I just purchased a 2014 TR S SE6 and the dealer said that if we purchase the CanAm brand wireless headsets, that the passenger audio controls would work independently, but said he didn't think the passenger audio controls would work with aftermarkets like Sena. You say you use Sena..do the passenger audio controls work with them?

Here is what I've found so far.
The passenger has control over song selection using the rear controls.
When using the bluetooth connection, the output of the bike audio is fixed. Neither driver or passenger can modify the volume of the bike audio.
Of course, each individual controls the volume of their own headset using the jog button.

The BRP wireless headsets ARE Sena. The instruction manuals SAY Sena, and you register the units directly with Sena for the warranty. I suspect your dealer doesn't know what he's talking about.

Strangely, the driver can no longer change radio channels or ipod song selection from the main screen (mph). You have to first choose the audio screen and then you can select the next song/radio station.
On my 2010, when viewing the main screen, the RECC would control volume AND song/radio station.
This must have been a deliberate change by BRP. I wonder why ?

 

[jcthorne]

Here is what I've found so far.
The passenger has control over song selection using the rear controls.
When using the bluetooth connection, the output of the bike audio is fixed. Neither driver or passenger can modify the volume of the bike audio.
Of course, each individual controls the volume of their own headset using the jog button.

The BRP wireless headsets ARE Sena. The instruction manuals SAY Sena, and you register the units directly with Sena for the warranty. I suspect your dealer doesn't know what he's talking about.

Strangely, the driver can no longer change radio channels or ipod song selection from the main screen (mph). You have to first choose the audio screen and then you can select the next song/radio station.
On my 2010, when viewing the main screen, the RECC would control volume AND song/radio station.
This must have been a deliberate change by BRP. I wonder why ?

You need to go into the settings screen and enable radio controls on the display, then you will be able to change songs while on the MPH screen. Has nothing to do with the bluetooth adapter. You also CAN control volume of the bike audio using the buttons on the left handlebar. It does raise and lower the volume to both headsets. The speed sensitive volume control settings also work via bluetooth.

The rear passenger audio volume controls ONLY work with the now discontinued wired headsets. It just has not been updated by BRP. The buttons are useless.

You can switch the power for the SM10 to always on and it will be ready for use each time you ride. I have gone as long as two weeks between rides and it did not run down my battery. But I usually put the bike on a charger if it is not ridden in a week.

 

[ThreeWheels]

You need to go into the settings screen and enable radio controls on the display, then you will be able to change songs while on the MPH screen. Has nothing to do with the bluetooth adapter. You also CAN control volume of the bike audio using the buttons on the left handlebar. It does raise and lower the volume to both headsets. The speed sensitive volume control settings also work via bluetooth.

Thanks so much. I'll look for the setting you mentioned to enable the radio controls.
I can double tap the button on the SM10 to get a marginal increase in volume which seems to be adequate.
I am unable to control the volume using the bike audio buttons. I can see the volume indicator bar going up and down, but there is no change in the delivered volume to the Bluetooth headsets. Am I missing a setting to allow this as well ?
Except for mute. I can hold the volume button down and mute the system. Incidentally, this no longer mutes the GPS, which was a little peeve I had with my 2010. If I wanted to mute the music for a while, I would also mute the GPS. The new system mutes the music, but still allows the GPS instructions to ring through.

 

[finless]

You cannot control BT volume to your headsets using the volume buttons. That only adjusts speaker volume. For BT volume you adjust it using the BT headset knob. If you think about it this makes sense because 2 people may have different volume desires.

Bob