Bluetooth basics

[Brentc]

Looking into adding Bluetooth to my 2014 rts se 6. My end goal would be for my wife and I to be able to talk between helmets on same bike and also be able to hear our bikes radio, and iPod which is already plugged into the trunk connector and playing through the aux/iPod function. I have read a lot of positive reviews of the Sena product line , especially the 20s, and wanted to know if I went with the Sena model do I still need to also purchase the brp Bluetooth dongle that mounts in the front trunk?

 

[Spyder 42]

You will require the Sena SM-10 Bluetooth transmitter in order to send the radio (and GPS if you use the CanAm wiring) to the headsets. There is a wiring harness that is required to connect the two. Your choice is pay $250 for the OEM kit or make or buy a hand made harness.

FWIW, we use the Sena SMH-10 units. Partly because the 20 was not yet on the market.

 

[Vidman]

Looking into adding Bluetooth to my 2014 rts se 6. My end goal would be for my wife and I to be able to talk between helmets on same bike and also be able to hear our bikes radio, and iPod which is already plugged into the trunk connector and playing through the aux/iPod function. I have read a lot of positive reviews of the Sena product line , especially the 20s, and wanted to know if I went with the Sena model do I still need to also purchase the brp Bluetooth dongle that mounts in the front trunk?

I use the Sena SM10 which is exactly the same thing as the BRP unit. You will have to build your own wire for connection to the radio system:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...-your-own-Dongle!&highlight=finless+sm10+wire

I think that is the link that describes all. Finless has been a great help with the radio system on the RT.

BTW I also use the SR10 with a portable CB radio with great results. The only problem is that only ONE headset can connect to the SR10 for CB use.

Hope this helps.

 

[Wiredux]

When I had the 2014 RT-S the wife and I used the Sena headsets. The bike is quiet enough we could head the radio with our issue. We still use the headsets today, we just are not on the same spyder anymore. She has her own and I am sitting the F3

 

[ThreeWheels]

I love my bluetooth.
I bought the RP setup, which is the Sena SM10 and the SMH-10 headsets re-branded (barely) by BRP.
There is an OEM cable to connect the bluetooth transmitter to the Spyder radio.
I bought all this with the Spyder, so the purchase price and installation were included with the deal.
You can save some money by purchasing all units from SENA, the SM-10 transmitter and the SMH-10 (or 20) headsets.
You will need to purchase or manufacture the proprietary cable in order to connect the SENA SM-10 dongle to the Spyder adio.
Finless on this site can help you out.

For my money, and it WAS my money, I opted to go with the BRP set, just for the convenience of one stop shopping, or one finger blaming.

 

[JayBros]

I have just begun dabbling in the esoterica of multiple pairing of hands free sevices and my Sena SMH10 headset now that I finally have my Zumo 590 GPS installed on my Spyder. Here is a capability statement from the SMH10 user's guide.

"Typical Bluetooth headsets can connect with only one HFP (Hands-
Free Profile) device, but multipoint pairing allows the headset to
connect with two HFP devices at the same time. So, when you already
have a mobile phone connected with the SMH10, you can also pair
and connect a second mobile phone or other HFP devices such as
GPS or Sena SR10, Bluetooth adapter."

Before I got the GPS I had my iPhone and the Sena SM10 Bluetooth transmitter paired to my headset. That way I could listen to the Spyder radio(s) and my phone through my headset. Now, my GPS and phone are paired to the headset but I do not have pairing with the SM10 because of the two HFP limitation. To get music to my coconut I downloaded a bunch of CDs to my phone, connect it to power in the trunk and manually turn on the phone music. More dabbling to do on this. Sorry, I don't know squat about the 20S headset. Good luck!

 

[PaladinLV]

Everything that everyone else said.
BUT
Get the Sena S20 headsets

AJ

 

[finless]

I have just begun dabbling in the esoterica of multiple pairing of hands free sevices and my Sena SMH10 headset now that I finally have my Zumo 590 GPS installed on my Spyder. Here is a capability statement from the SMH10 user's guide.

"Typical Bluetooth headsets can connect with only one HFP (Hands-
Free Profile) device, but multipoint pairing allows the headset to
connect with two HFP devices at the same time. So, when you already
have a mobile phone connected with the SMH10, you can also pair
and connect a second mobile phone or other HFP devices such as
GPS or Sena SR10, Bluetooth adapter."

Before I got the GPS I had my iPhone and the Sena SM10 Bluetooth transmitter paired to my headset. That way I could listen to the Spyder radio(s) and my phone through my headset. Now, my GPS and phone are paired to the headset but I do not have pairing with the SM10 because of the two HFP limitation. To get music to my coconut I downloaded a bunch of CDs to my phone, connect it to power in the trunk and manually turn on the phone music. More dabbling to do on this. Sorry, I don't know squat about the 20S headset. Good luck!

You can try another way. I have not tried it.
Read the section called "Pairing with selective profile: A2DP Stereo or Handsfree".
Use the part A2DP Stereo Music Only.
Try to pair the SM10 this way.

If that does not work then you have 3 other options.

1) Run a cable from your GPS into the SM10 AUX.
2) Hook up your GPS to the Spyders GPS connection and do not bind the GPS to your headset. I have a video on this.
3) Bind the phone to the GPS instead of direct to the headset. The GPS will now manage your phone calls.


Bob

 

[finless]

Actually I just looked at the instructions again.

Your headset supports up to two phone pairing. Yes the SM10 is bound as a phone.

It sounds like you pairing your GPS as a phone and not as a HFP GPS pairing.

So do this.
1) Pair your phone as a phone (HFP+A2DP).
2) Pair the SM10 as a phone
3) Pair your GPS as a GPS not as a phone. In the instructions it shows you the 2 ways to pair a GPS.

5.4.1 GPS Pairing
1. Turn on the headset and press the Jog Dial for 6 seconds until the
red LED is rapidly flashing and you hear multiple beeps.
2. Within 2 seconds, tap the Phone Button and hear the voice prompt, “Second mobile phone
pairing”. Again within 2 seconds, tap the Phone Button and the LED turns to green flashing and
the beeps turn to multiple mid-toned beeps. You will hear the voice prompt, “GPS pairing”.
3. Search for Bluetooth devices on the GPS navigation screen.
Select the Sena 20S in the list of the devices detected on the GPS.
4. Enter 0000 for the PIN.
5. The GPS confirms that pairing has completed and the 20S is ready to use. You will hear a
voice prompt from the 20S saying “Your headset is paired”.
6. If the pairing process is not completed within three minutes, the
20S will return to stand-by mode.


Bob

 

[finless]

In my 20S manual it has case study 6. This is what you want. I am sure its in the SMH10 manual as well.

 

[billybovine]

I have just begun dabbling in the esoterica of multiple pairing of hands free sevices and my Sena SMH10 headset now that I finally have my Zumo 590 GPS installed on my Spyder. Here is a capability statement from the SMH10 user's guide.

"Typical Bluetooth headsets can connect with only one HFP (Hands-
Free Profile) device, but multipoint pairing allows the headset to
connect with two HFP devices at the same time. So, when you already
have a mobile phone connected with the SMH10, you can also pair
and connect a second mobile phone or other HFP devices such as
GPS or Sena SR10, Bluetooth adapter."

Before I got the GPS I had my iPhone and the Sena SM10 Bluetooth transmitter paired to my headset. That way I could listen to the Spyder radio(s) and my phone through my headset. Now, my GPS and phone are paired to the headset but I do not have pairing with the SM10 because of the two HFP limitation. To get music to my coconut I downloaded a bunch of CDs to my phone, connect it to power in the trunk and manually turn on the phone music. More dabbling to do on this. Sorry, I don't know squat about the 20S headset. Good luck!

The SMH!0 has certain limits you have to work around.
It is only able to pair with 1 music device (A2DP)
Can pair to 2 other devices (HFP)
Can pair with 3 other Sena headsets in Intercom Mode. Note that this is not a Bluetooth protocol.

So if you pair your iphone first, using the phone pairing instructions it will take 2 of the BT slots, A2DP and one of the HFP. That leaves only 1 other HFP slot open. So since you have the SM10 it needs to connect as the music device (A2DP). Clear all the pairings and pair the SM10 first using the phone pairing instructions. Then pair the iphone as a second phone using the multipoint pairing instructions. Then pair the GPS using the multipoint pairing instructions.

 

[hobbykim]

Looking into adding Bluetooth to my 2014 rts se 6. My end goal would be for my wife and I to be able to talk between helmets on same bike and also be able to hear our bikes radio, and iPod which is already plugged into the trunk connector and playing through the aux/iPod function. I have read a lot of positive reviews of the Sena product line , especially the 20s, and wanted to know if I went with the Sena model do I still need to also purchase the brp Bluetooth dongle that mounts in the front trunk?

I have this blue tooth set on both my helmet,I can talk or listen music or gps when I ride ,it the same with can-am,I listen music from my Iphone ,My can-am does not has donge from the factory but now I still did not listen any music when I ride with my wife ,may this will help you
http://www.amazon.com/Sena-SMH10D-1...TF8&qid=1429801770&sr=8-6&keywords=sena+smh10

 

[finless]

The SMH!0 has certain limits you have to work around.
It is only able to pair with 1 music device (A2DP)
Can pair to 2 other devices (HFP)
Can pair with 3 other Sena headsets in Intercom Mode. Note that this is not a Bluetooth protocol.

So if you pair your iphone first, using the phone pairing instructions it will take 2 of the BT slots, A2DP and one of the HFP. That leaves only 1 other HFP slot open. So since you have the SM10 it needs to connect as the music device (A2DP). Clear all the pairings and pair the SM10 first using the phone pairing instructions. Then pair the iphone as a second phone using the multipoint pairing instructions. Then pair the GPS using the multipoint pairing instructions.

I thought I read that the SMH10 can pair with 2 phones not just 1 like the 20S can?

If so, then the Case Study 6 should be no issue.

Bob

 

[billybovine]

I thought I read that the SMH10 can pair with 2 phones not just 1 like the 20S can?

If so, then the Case Study 6 should be no issue.

Bob

Yes the SMH10 can pair with 2 phones, but there is only one A2DP slot and the first one gets it.

 

[JayBros]

Thanks, Bob & Billy. Since this Bluetooth business is one of my weaker sets, I simply followed the instructions for the 590 which list pairing the headset first and then the phone. I guess if I clear all the pairings then pair the phone to the GPS then the SM10 to the GPS and lastly the headset that should have the GPS being the boss.

 

[finless]

Yes the SMH10 can pair with 2 phones, but there is only one A2DP slot and the first one gets it.

Billy, dio you see the Case Study 6 I posted above? Your saying the SMH10 cannot do that and this is a 20S feature?

Hmmm just so I am well versed on the SMH10 I may just go pull the manual and study up. Don't want to give wrong info.

Before my 20S which I just got I had the SMH5-FM and it could not do case study #6.

Bob

 

[billybovine]

Billy, dio you see the Case Study 6 I posted above? Your saying the SMH10 cannot do that and this is a 20S feature?

Hmmm just so I am well versed on the SMH10 I may just go pull the manual and study up. Don't want to give wrong info.

Before my 20S which I just got I had the SMH5-FM and it could not do case study #6.

Bob

The SM10 can pair the way it shows in Case Study 6.

Paired to the bike audio, A2DP.
Paired to the mobile phone, HSP slot one.
Paired to the GPS, HSP slot two.
Paired to other Sena headset, intercom mode, one of 3.

Not sure of the capabilities of the 20S. Only scanned the manual a long while back.

 

[finless]

The SM10 can pair the way it shows in Case Study 6.

Paired to the bike audio, A2DP.
Paired to the mobile phone, HSP slot one.
Paired to the GPS, HSP slot two.
Paired to other Sena headset, intercom mode, one of 3.

Not sure of the capabilities of the 20S. Only scanned the manual a long while back.

It says 2 mobile phone pairings
Paired to the bike audio, A2DP.
Paired to the mobile phone, A2DP+HFP. (The 20S can do this. The manual says a "phone" pairing is A2DP+HFP profile)
Paired to the GPS, HSP slot one.
Paired to other Sena headset, intercom mode, one of 3.

Bob

 

[Showie]

I see no reason to spend the money to pair with bike radio. I use Galaxy 5 phone as a MP3 player with my own music and pair with my helmet and wife's helmet. We can still talk to each other and hear music. I have a Sena-10 and am thinking of upgrading to Sena-20 or maybe something else.

 

[finless]

So just double checked yet again per the Sena manual. Again 20S.

There are 5 types of parings and they are labeled as such

1) Mobile "smart" Phone which is a HFP+A2DP profile.
2) MP3 Music device (like the SM10). This is paired like a mobile phone but is only A2DP profile.
So basically the 20S supports two A2DP profiles and up to two HFP profiles. Pretty sure the SMH10 does as well.
3) GPS pairing which is a HFP Pairing
4) GPS pairing as a mobile phone HFP+A2DP. The helmet is bound the GPS and the phone is bound to the GPS. The helmet is not bound to the phone.
5) Selective pairing (advanced) with these you can bind a phone as HFP only or A2DP only.
6) Headset pairing which is HP

Just so people know:
A2DP is a audio streaming profile:
What is "A2DP"?
The Advanced Audio Distribution Profile is a Bluetooth profile that allows for the wireless transmission of stereo audio from an A2DP source (typically a phone or computer) to an A2DP receiver (a set of Bluetooth headphones or stereo system).

HFP is a Hands Free Profile:
HFP. A Bluetooth profile (mode) designed to enable a two-way wireless speaker-phone to be used with a Bluetooth phone.

Bob