Anybody used Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-40 A3/B4 Adv Full Synthetic Motor Oil?

[Baveux]

It'll be interesting to hear what they have to say. Please post their reply if/when you get one.

TheMariner, I have received the reply.

In their email, they adhere strictly to the wording of the manual.

If XPS is unavailable, we must use Synthetic 5w40 with API SJ, SL, SM, or SN classifications. There is absolutely no mention of JASO... The origin of the requirement frequently seen on many forums is unclear to me. Regardless of what they say, I'll use Amsoil or Liqui Moly SN JASO; I certainly won't use a synthetic 5w40 if the JASO isn't present, even if the energy conserving mark is missing from the API logo on the label. It's quite peculiar indeed.

BTW, I searched Google for images of the XPS oil bottle, and all I could find on the label was 5W-40 semi-synthetic, SM Jaso nowhere to be found; and for full synthetic, it's 5W-40 SN/JASO MA/MA2.

I'm done, they are so.... whatever!

 

[TheMariner]

In their email, they adhere strictly to the wording of the manual.

To use a common Australian phrase..."Well, I'll be buggered".

Sounds to me you just had some BRP drone answering your questions & they just went with the easy answer of 'refer to the manual'. The problem is all the manuals are not aligned!

As you summarised... you cannot go wrong if you use a 5W-40 API-SN oil that also meets JASO MA/MA2.

 

[Baveux]

I mentioned to some that I would return once I received the response from BRP.

At last, BRP provided the comprehensive answer I sought, which was not easy to obtain.

Whether you comment or not, it's the same to me, but I thought it would be interesting for some to read what BRP had to say. Anyway, it's kind of strange that outside of BRP, everyone says that JASO MA 2 is the only way to go to protect our wet clutch.

I received this information from BRP Canada's technical department. Despite my varied inquiries, they consistently responded that JASO MA2 is not necessary.

Major surprise on my side...

All we need is (copied from their email):

email 1- For the oil, we suggest XPS 4T 5W40 synthetic oil. Should XPS be unavailable, any SAE 5W40 synthetic 4-stroke engine oil that meets or surpasses the following industry specifications will suffice: API Service Classification SJ, SL, SM, or SN. It is crucial to verify the API Service Label certification on the oil container, ensuring it includes at least one of the mentioned standards. (from BRP Rep)
This is verbatim from the owner's manual.

Here is my second attempt to see if they forgot to mention JASO in their first email

email 2- The JASO MA or JASO MA2 specification and/or designation is not necessary. The details provided in my previous email are sufficient. (from BRP Rep)

Now from the 2023 repair manual:

Alternate if XPS products are not available, 5w40 synthetic blend oil minimum OR synthetic motorcycle oil meeting requirements for API service SN classification... OR ... JASO MA2

So motorcycle oil isn't mandatory or even necessary!!! Nor JASO!!

IMHO the word OR is what makes the difference...

Is this due to the fact that 5W40 oils lack friction modifiers and do not display Energy Conservation on the API label?

End of discussion... I think? lol

Why don't one of you try with BRP USA?

The mandatory JASO that everyone is discussing must originate from a specific source.

BUT FROM WHERE???

 

[JayBros]

If you have followed BRP's Spyder RT operator's guides including and since the introduction of the 1330 ACE engine in 2014 as well as the example you give from the RT repair manual, the term "s**t*y" to describe the editing is grossly kind.

 

[Baveux]

If you have followed BRP's Spyder RT operator's guides including and since the introduction of the 1330 ACE engine in 2014 as well as the example you give from the RT repair manual, the term "s**t*y" to describe the editing is grossly kind.

Hey hey, I'll be using both specifications because I don't fully trust them (SN Jaso), but I felt the need to share this.

The 2024 RT owner's manual has been updated, and JASO is now included, but only as an option.

 

[BajaRon]

If BRP is buying my new clutch, then I'm 100% for this. But I have a feeling that if your clutch goes out, BRP will find a reason that you used the wrong lubricant. But then that's just me and I could be wrong. I recommend JASO MA2 as an insurance policy. It's not like it's hard to find a quality oil rated JASO MA2. Though I'm sure that BRP is correct when they say you can get away with a lesser oil in the 1330. (Don't try this in a 998 V-Twin!) To me, it's a bit like Russian Roulette. But again, that's just me.

 

[ARtraveler]

Interesting how things wished for sometimes happen. :roflblack:

 

[troop]

If BRP is buying my new clutch, then I'm 100% for this. But I have a feeling that if your clutch goes out, BRP will find a reason that you used the wrong lubricant. But then that's just me and I could be wrong. I recommend JASO MA2 as an insurance policy. It's not like it's hard to find a quality oil rated JASO MA2. Though I'm sure that BRP is correct when they say you can get away with a lesser oil in the 1330. (Don't try this in a 998 V-Twin!) To me, it's a bit like Russian Roulette. But again, that's just me.

yup .. And staying away from 5w40 due to shearing.

 

[Allen42]

To the OP's question: I just used Castrol's 10w-40 about 200 miles ago, because it's hot in Texas. So far no issues, not that I would expect any early issues.

 

[Baveux]

If BRP is buying my new clutch, then I'm 100% for this. But I have a feeling that if your clutch goes out, BRP will find a reason that you used the wrong lubricant. But then that's just me and I could be wrong. I recommend JASO MA2 as an insurance policy. It's not like it's hard to find a quality oil rated JASO MA2. Though I'm sure that BRP is correct when they say you can get away with a lesser oil in the 1330. (Don't try this in a 998 V-Twin!) To me, it's a bit like Russian Roulette. But again, that's just me.

I shared the information, and one can use it as they see fit; I don't mind. To each their own; my only concern was that it might be valuable to someone.