Anybody used Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-40 A3/B4 Adv Full Synthetic Motor Oil?

[Baveux]

The 1330 definitely is less oil sensitive than the 998. However, the V-Twin is very particular. If you don't run a verified MA-2 JASO lubricant in that motor, you will certainly regret it. But how forgiving is the 1330? Well, the only way to know is the hard way. The clutch can't slip much and still be salvageable. Most don't notice it until it's too late. And a clutch replacement is quite expensive.

In short, experiment at your own risk. With so many good options out there, not sure it's worth it. But if you do, please let us know how it goes.

Oh, rest assured that I will not play guinea pig. I'm just questioning what's coming from the horse's mouth and what I can read from the threads here.

BRP are misleading their customers, and not just by a little bit, if they really missed the JASO MA requirement in 3 of their books, it's borderline dishonest!

My go-to oil will probably be Amsoil 10w40 metric, since JASO and SN are mentioned in their documents. The price is about the same as XPS, but it will be, I'm sure, of better quality!

So, I'm still waiting for Can Am to respond to my request, but I won't hold my breath.

I continue to believe that $16 - $20 for a quart of oil + $60.00 for a filter and a bunch of washers is totally insane (Canadian $$)... but hey, you wanna play, you gotta pay!

 

[Yabbadabbadoo]

Search through 540Rat's oil reviews for Castrol. After reading what he says about the decline of Castrol's performance since being purchased by another company, I'm switching back to Mobile 1 4T.

 

[troop]

Oh, rest assured that I will not play guinea pig. I'm just questioning what's coming from the horse's mouth and what I can read from the threads here.

BRP are misleading their customers, and not just by a little bit, if they really missed the JASO MA requirement in 3 of their books, it's borderline dishonest!

My go-to oil will probably be Amsoil 10w40 metric, since JASO and SN are mentioned in their documents. The price is about the same as XPS, but it will be, I'm sure, of better quality!

So, I'm still waiting for Can Am to respond to my request, but I won't hold my breath.

I continue to believe that $16 - $20 for a quart of oil + $60.00 for a filter and a bunch of washers is totally insane (Canadian $$)... but hey, you wanna play, you gotta pay!

Amsoil now has a metric 5w40 oil available.
https://www.amsoil.com/p/amsoil-5w-40-100-synthetic-metric-motorcycle-oil-mmf/

 

[Dasmoetorhead]

But BRP is nowhere asking or making JASO spec mandatory , I'm really curious to know why do you guys keep mentioning that? Nowhere does BRP ask for the mandatory JASO cert. All they want is 4-stroke, 5w40, and SN, now SP supersedes the previous spec... A good old Quaker States 5w40 synth fits that requirement... So why worrying about wet clutch spec when BRP is not even asking precisely for it? It's either JASO M2, or SN; one or the other will do according to BRP... What am I not getting?

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In the owners manual for my 2022 F3s under maintenance it does Not mention JASO or MA2.
In the same manual on page 191 under Specifications it does say use a JASO MA2 synthetic oil.
Why don't they mention it under maintenance IDK, but I always go by what the specs say, and I've never had an issue.

 

[Baveux]

In the owners manual for my 2022 F3s under maintenance it does Not mention JASO or MA2.
In the same manual on page 191 under Specifications it does say use a JASO MA2 synthetic oil.
Why don't they mention it under maintenance IDK, but I always go by what the specs say, and I've never had an issue.

2023 RT owner manual ... something was lost between 2022/2023



No mention of Jaso , maintenance states SN, specification says refer to maintenance so lol a full circle to SN only

My 2023 REPAIR manual states SN .... OR ...Jaso MA2 ..... try to figure

Still waiting for the last word from BRP

Whatever they will say Ill use an oil with JASO ma2

 

[Dasmoetorhead]

2023 RT owner manual ... something was lost between 2022/2023

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No mention of Jaso , maintenance states SN, specification says refer to maintenance so lol a full circle to SN only

My 2023 REPAIR manual states SN .... OR ...Jaso MA2 ..... try to figure

Still waiting for the last word from BRP

Whatever they will say Ill use an oil with JASO ma2

Okay, well thats that then.
I would only use oil that specified JASO or MA2. But I'm sure that will be disputed forever. I'm out.

 

[Baveux]

Okay, well thats that then.
I would only use oil that specified JASO or MA2. But I'm sure that will be disputed forever. I'm out.

It's disappointing that one cannot depend on the manufacturer to know which oil to use in their engine; we're not discussing which wax is best here.

I will also use SN/JASO MA2 exclusively, but it's crucial to address the significant issue of conflicting information in the official BRP documentation. This could result in an expensive mistake, even if made with good intentions.

 

[BajaRon]

It's disappointing that one cannot depend on the manufacturer to know which oil to use in their engine; we're not discussing which wax is best here.

I will also use SN/JASO MA2 exclusively, but it's crucial to address the significant issue of conflicting information in the official BRP documentation. This could result in an expensive mistake, even if made with good intentions.

It is unreasonable to hold the manufacturer responsible to maintain a list of applicable lubricants. BRP supplies products that they approve because they control those products. Oil produces can change their product whenever they please, and they do. What might work yesterday might not work today. And Vise-Versa. BRP gives us specs which we can then go to the product and verify for ourselves. It's a good system and effective approach to the subject.

 

[Baveux]

It is unreasonable to hold the manufacturer responsible to maintain a list of applicable lubricants. BRP supplies products that they approve because they control those products. Oil produces can change their product whenever they please, and they do. What might work yesterday might not work today. And Vise-Versa. BRP gives us specs which we can then go to the product and verify for ourselves. It's a good system and effective approach to the subject.

Ron, you mentioned that BRP provides specifications. However, which ones are you referring to? I'm asking because I've encountered three different specifications: one is SN only, another is JASO only, and finally, one that is both SN and JASO. That's my point; can you direct me to where BRP gives a clear directive?

Where did you get the info to determine the decision on which specification to follow? If you opt for BRP recommendation , you might end up using any SN with an energy-conserving logo intended for automobiles, which may not be advisable. However, that is what they recommend if their XPS isn't available.

Thats true in the french and english owner manual , its written black on white

 

[BajaRon]

Ron, you mentioned that BRP provides specifications. However, which ones are you referring to? I'm asking because I've encountered three different specifications: one is SN only, another is JASO only, and finally, one that is both SN and JASO. That's my point; can you direct me to where BRP gives a clear directive?

Where did you get the info to determine the decision on which specification to follow? If you opt for BRP recommendation , you might end up using any SN with an energy-conserving logo intended for automobiles, which may not be advisable. However, that is what they recommend if their XPS isn't available.

Thats true in the french and english owner manual , its written black on white

I will admit that BRP's stated requirements have changed somewhat over the years and are schizophrenic at times. When in reality, it isn't all that difficult. I do not know why they want to complicate things with irrelevant and conflicting information. All you really need to look at is viscosity and JASO rating.

I highly recommend a fully synthetic product in the 10-40 viscosity. But there are several lubricants outside this range that work just fine.

My point in the post you referenced was more directed towards the idea that BRP should be responsible for supplying specific alternate lubricants.

 

[Baveux]

I will admit that BRP's stated requirements have changed somewhat over the years and are schizophrenic at times. When in reality, it isn't all that difficult. I do not know why they want to complicate things with irrelevant and conflicting information. All you really need to look at is viscosity and JASO rating.

I highly recommend a fully synthetic product in the 10-40 viscosity. But there are several lubricants outside this range that work just fine.

My point in the post you referenced was more directed towards the idea that BRP should be responsible for supplying specific alternate lubricants.

Those with experience understand that a motorcycle with a wet clutch requires JASO-certified oil, a preference stemming from our interest in the subject and love for mechanical equipment. However, this may not be the case for someone who relies on BRP to choose an oil other than XPS. I hope my point is clear.

I concur that 10W40 is suitable for most applications, even in Quebec, where no one rides in temperatures as low as minus 40 degrees Celsius.

English is not my first language, and I may not have been clear if you understood that I hold BRP accountable for recommending a specific brand.

Nevertheless, they do specify the oil grade, API, and JASO certification, which is their responsibility to communicate clearly and accurately. They are prone to mistakes, like anyone, but not four times across four different manuals that I have in front of me. Good weekend Ron and thanks for your input , its really appreciated

 

[TheMariner]

I do not know why they want to complicate things with irrelevant and conflicting information. All you really need to look at is viscosity and JASO rating.

I agree 100%. The real issue is that BRP's documented information on this really should be proof-read and corrected as a matter of priority. Semi-auto gearboxes are somewhat a rarity in the motorcycle world, and given their relative complexity & probable high cost to repair, I believe BRP have a responsibility to owners to inform them exactly what standards the oil needs to meet (not specific manufacturers) whatever the standard is.

 

[Dasmoetorhead]

^^^^^ exactly. Well said.

 

[Baveux]

I agree 100%. The real issue is that BRP's documented information on this really should be proof-read and corrected as a matter of priority. Semi-auto gearboxes are somewhat a rarity in the motorcycle world, and given their relative complexity & probable high cost to repair, I believe BRP have a responsibility to owners to inform them exactly what standards the oil needs to meet (not specific manufacturers) whatever the standard is.

Alleluia :2thumbs:

 

[TroubledJuan]

I see this type of discussion on other motorcycle forums, and like others on those forums, I'll ask this, your Spyder isn't cheap, so why would you cheap out on oil?

 

[Baveux]

I see this type of discussion on other motorcycle forums, and like others on those forums, I'll ask this, your Spyder isn't cheap, so why would you cheap out on oil?

No one here suggested using low-quality, inexpensive oil. On the contrary, we all aim to use the proper oil, following BRP's guidance, but not necessarily using their oil...

 

[TheMariner]

I'll ask this, your Spyder isn't cheap, so why would you cheap out on oil?

Speaking for myself, I'm not looking to cheap-out on oil. Oil is cheap insurance and I'm happy to spend whatever I need to use the right stuff. The problem is BRP aren't clear on what the right stuff actually is.

Down here in Australia, Spyders are rare and XPS oil is even rarer... so looking for an alternative brand is a must.

 

[Baveux]

Speaking for myself, I'm not looking to cheap-out on oil. Oil is cheap insurance and I'm happy to spend whatever I need to use the right stuff. The problem is BRP aren't clear on what the right stuff actually is.

Down here in Australia, spyders are rare and XPS oil is even rarer... so looking for an alternative brand is a must.

To clarify the confusion, take a look at what BRP Australia recommends in their manual. LOL Left box highlight and right box highlight

The left side indicates SN and JASO, while the other side makes no mention of SN, nor does it mention JASO MA2; instead, it refers to JASO MA. The critical issue is not the distinction between MA2 and MA, but rather that three different pieces of information are presented within a two-square-inch area. ...

 

[BajaRon]

I concur that 10W40 is suitable for most applications, even in Quebec, where no one rides in temperatures as low as minus 40 degrees Celsius.

English is not my first language, and I may not have been clear if you understood that I hold BRP accountable for recommending a specific brand.

Again, not to be nit-picky. But the engine is not that much affected by the 'Ride Temperature'. The oil viscosity is only critical to start up temperature. If your oil is at minus 40 degrees Celsius at startup, then 10/40 would not be the best. 10/40 is good down to zero degrees Fahrenheit (about -17 degrees Celsius). At -40c you would need a 5/40 or 0/40 weight oil for cold startup. If your oil is at or above 0 degrees Fahrenheit at startup, you can then ride out into -40 without issue (if you are crazy enough to want to do it) as the coolant thermostat will keep the oil well above the ambient temps.

As for the rest, GREAT! I attempted to clarify my position and you've clarified yours. So, we are on the same page. There is no question that BRP should do a better job and be both specific and consistent with the information they give. It is an unnecessary aggravation. But there is a satisfactory work-a-round. That's what we are here for!

 

[Baveux]

Great! I tried to clarify my position and you've clarified yours. So, we are on the same page. There is no question that BRP should do a better job and be both specific and consistent in the information they give. It is an unnecessary aggravation. But there is a satisfactory work-a-round. That's what we are here for!

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