An actual case using amsoil metric.

[waynezimm]

2013 spyder RT se5 limited is the bike with the problem.

Brp summer blend was used for the first 20,000 miles. No problems were noticed except a little shake in the clutch engagement when cold. Just slightly noticeable for a couple of blocks until temp started to rise. Nothing of real concern, but something that sticks in your mind when starting out in the morning.

At 20,000 miles I switched to amsoil metric. At first all was the same but after 1000 mi or so, the morning shakes increased in intensity and in length of time that it shook. Oil was changed at 25,000 and at 30,000. Again using amsoil metric. I now have 35,000 miles and the shaking is bad enough that I'm a bit ashamed to ride with anyone until it gets to full temperature when it quits. All is OK when hot.

I am currently at my winter home, Mesa, and do not have the ability to change oil at this location. So at 35,000 mi. I took it to a spyder dealer for the oil change and they put BRP summer blend in the cycle. I rode it home, and parked it for two days. Did the morning start up and low and behold, the same shaking was there on takeoff as was there BEFORE I switched to amsoil metric. Around the block once and shaking....gone! Now it is just like before amsoil metric.

Any good feedback? I appear to be stuck with a full case of amsoil metric 10-40!

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

HUH !!!!!

OIL :banghead::banghead::banghead: ....... I don't think this is your issue ..... IMHO you have something MECHANICALLY wrong going on in / with the clutch. Did you ask at the Dealer to examine the problem ???? .......... Mike :thumbup:

 

[Mazo EMS2]

I'm with Mike....I wouldn't be so quick to blame this "shake" on oil. Can oil even cause a "shake"? It can certainly alter some things a bit, but I've never heard of it causing a case of the shakes.:sour:

 

[Firefly]

The shaking is a sign that something is wrong. You're not supposed to ride it until it's up to temp per the owners manual. By not allowing it to properly warm up all this time you've ridden, you've caused some damage. The clutches on the SE's are very particular on oil level and being warmed up.

Is there some reason you've not been following the instructions on letting it warm up?
Amsoil works just fine and isn't your problem as long as it's been the correct version that meets all the specs.

 

[Chupaca]

Agree...

with the above comments. The change in oil may have varied the problem but niether is the cause. It would seem there is a problem with the plates and once they warm up they operate as they should. Something perhaps they could reach out to BRP for a tear down and inspection. Have only seen one similar and it was due to some spring issues :dontknow:

 

[kngfsh27]

Even if it was an issue with the brand of oil used, it would take a whole lot longer than just going around the block. Unless your block is 500 to 600 miles around.:dontknow: Had somewhat of the same experience. Took a real long weekend ride(600+ miles) to get things back to normal. Therefore, I am with Mike also.

 

[Firefly]

I should also note that I've been running Amsoil for the last 75,000 miles or so.....no problems. I'm not a fan of the BRP blend... you have no idea how much synthetic is in it as there are no guidelines for blends.

 

[billybovine]

It is normal for a 2013 to shudder on cold take off. That's because of the longer life clutch material used that year. This is the first I've heard that Amsoil makes it worse.

 

[DGoebel]

:agree: I was told the same about my 2013 RTL from the dealer I purchased it from and the different dealer that I take it to servicing for.
I've riden many a different bike from 50cc mini's to Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki's 650's to 1000's and the shake isn't any big shake, more of a short term vibration and it's gone within a block or two ride. Though I DO let my Spider warm up before departing.
I confess that I drive my 10 year old F-150 much sooner after start than I do my RTL.
My Fall 2016 Blackstone report on the 2013 RTL was all fairly optimum. I'm using stock oil and filters.

 

[billybovine]

The shaking is a sign that something is wrong. You're not supposed to ride it until it's up to temp per the owners manual. By not allowing it to properly warm up all this time you've ridden, you've caused some damage. The clutches on the SE's are very particular on oil level and being warmed up.

Is there some reason you've not been following the instructions on letting it warm up?
Amsoil works just fine and isn't your problem as long as it's been the correct version that meets all the specs.

I do not remember ever reading in the owners guide about letting it warm up before riding. Maybe I missed it. Could you tell me what section of the guide that is in?

 

[billybovine]

I should also note that I've been running Amsoil for the last 75,000 miles or so.....no problems. I'm not a fan of the BRP blend... you have no idea how much synthetic is in it as there are no guidelines for blends.

.

According to a reply to a question to XPS Lubricants, in February of 2015. There blended 4 stroke oil is 95% synthetic.

 

[papanorm]

I guess I missed the paragraph about warming up b4 riding too!


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[Firefly]

I do not remember ever reading in the owners guide about letting it warm up before riding. Maybe I missed it. Could you tell me what section of the guide that is in?

It's in every owners manual and will vary depending on what model. 2 bars is the recommended minimum. This has been well known since 2008.


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[DGoebel]

It's not in my 2013 RTL paper or digital manual, I just checked both.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

2013 spyder RT se5 limited is the bike with the problem.

Brp summer blend was used for the first 20,000 miles. No problems were noticed except a little shake in the clutch engagement when cold. Just slightly noticeable for a couple of blocks until temp started to rise. Nothing of real concern, but something that sticks in your mind when starting out in the morning.

At 20,000 miles I switched to amsoil metric. At first all was the same but after 1000 mi or so, the morning shakes increased in intensity and in length of time that it shook. Oil was changed at 25,000 and at 30,000. Again using amsoil metric. I now have 35,000 miles and the shaking is bad enough that I'm a bit ashamed to ride with anyone until it gets to full temperature when it quits. All is OK when hot.

I am currently at my winter home, Mesa, and do not have the ability to change oil at this location. So at 35,000 mi. I took it to a spyder dealer for the oil change and they put BRP summer blend in the cycle. I rode it home, and parked it for two days. Did the morning start up and low and behold, the same shaking was there on takeoff as was there BEFORE I switched to amsoil metric. Around the block once and shaking....gone! Now it is just like before amsoil metric.

Any good feedback? I appear to be stuck with a full case of amsoil metric 10-40!

Your answer is in this thread. http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...ng-when-starting-off&highlight=clutch+shudder

It is not an oil problem. Keep your Amsoil.

 

[BajaRon]

I have to agree with others that this is a mechanical issue, not an oil issue. I am glad that the OEM oil seems to have resolved it for you. I hope it is fixed for good and I don't want to be a party pooper. But I think it likely the issue will re-appear.

It sounds to me like a cold flow issue. Maybe a port or passage somewhere that is too small, or there is some partial blockage not allowing proper oil flow until the oil thins out.

If this were an oil problem, Amsoil would certainly create the same conditions in every SE Spyder.

 

[Firefly]

It's not in my 2013 RTL paper or digital manual, I just checked both.

No time to look this up, but it's been well established that the Spyder runs best when letting it warm up to 2-3 bars before riding. Otherwise you're trying to push cold, viscous oil through the clutch plates.
The original posters story is evidence of this being a wise thing to do.



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[RudyB]

Why don't you try some Motorkote


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[bmccaffrey]

OIL :banghead::banghead::banghead: ....... I don't think this is your issue ..... IMHO you have something MECHANICALLY wrong going on in / with the clutch. Did you ask at the Dealer to examine the problem ???? .......... Mike :thumbup:

Well I think it's time we protest amsoil :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

Isn't that the American way today

 

[Highwayman2013]

I just had a guy here in Las Vegas tell me his 2013 SE did not operate well on 10W40 Amsoil Metric. He switched back to the BRP oil and it was fine. Our 2012 RTL was fine on Amsoil.