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2014 RT Limited / Body Roll

This is a crap shoot. Sounds like the problem may be the dealership calling this 'Body Roll'. If the sway bar upgrade didn't help, then it can't be body roll. Has to be something else.

The most important aspect of fixing anything is finding the cause. Sounds like so far the problem has alluded the dealership and they are simply throwing parts at it hoping to hit on the fix.

Luck beats skill every time. But ONLY good luck...

Hope they find the problem soon. And please let us know what the final outcome is.
 
Mine has excessive body roll too. Checking to see if Bilstein has shocks for it. Don't want sway bar because of added weight and harsher ride.

This is a new one on me. I'll send you a bar kit. If you like it you can pay me. If you don't I just ask that you agree to return it.
 
My first question to the OP, and not being nosy, how much do you weigh? It is possible that the oem springs are not capable of supporting the chassis properly.

How much do you estimate your service guy weighs?

Adding spring preload via wedges or collars will not increase spring rates. It will move initial net spring ability to support statically. Preload may or may not help depending upon how far off the spring rate is.

In regards to the relocation of the upper shock mounts, this changes the SLR or suspension leverage ratio. In simple terms the suspension does not move in a 1:1 rate where wheel travel is the same rate as shock shaft travel. The change in leverage ratio, which is being dropped towards the 1:1 rate will take a softer spring AND also the shocks damping, and allow them to support more load. Load being static weight, and loads imposed while riding. The tradeoff is a loss in wheel travel.

No doubt Elkas are better than oem. However the the best shocks in the world can not overcome improper spring rates.

The Sway Bar works in a way to couple three items. Left suspension, right suspension and chassis. It effect it does not change the spring rate on the shocks. By design on any vehicle it is to control body roll. It will however in some cases on some vehicles, give similar results when cornering to act in the same manner as firmer springs.

A sway bar on a a bump, parralllel across the road will see the sway bar rotate as both wheels compress. Essentially no force is entered into the sway bar, it merely rotates.

However, if one tire hits a raised bump and the other remains on flat pavement as the Spyder rolls across, the sway bar will see induced twist, which is a slight increase in overall spring rate to the one wheel.

Suspension setup is a book of many parameters. Rider weight, vehicle weight, leverage ratio, riding style, available grip of the tires, rider preference on feel, cost, damping rates, preloads, spring rates, chassis flex, and even sway bars. All this is blended together into the vest compromise from one rider and vehicle.

So without being nosy, I ask about how much you weigh, considering BRP probably chose the "typical" rider at no more than 200 pounds.

All the best with it.

PK
 
BRackets!

:yikes:....I made some brackets for the bottom attachment of the front shocks on my 2014 RT that increased the angle ( more up-right ) by 7 degree's and this appears to have helped the sway issue with mine.....I have no adjustment on my OEM shocks and haven't gone to RON's sway Bar yet......I'm not sure I have too................Mikeguyver :thumbup:

I'm very interested in your brackets! I had attributed my body roll to inadequate tire wall stiffness, but it appears you have correctly diagnosed and addressed the problem. And it IS a problem!
 
Ha Ha Ha !

This is a new one on me. I'll send you a bar kit. If you like it you can pay me. If you don't I just ask that you agree to return it.


Bajaron, Mine has body roll, low tread depth, no highway pegs, could use some chrome wheels too. So if you want to send all that stuff over here it would be great. I'll pay you sometime. No all kidding aside. That was a very generous offer for you to make. Looking to get my sway bar kit in about a week. Have a great day. Chuck
 
I'm very interested in your brackets! I had attributed my body roll to inadequate tire wall stiffness, but it appears you have correctly diagnosed and addressed the problem. And it IS a problem!

FWIW, we are not heavy but always ride 2 up.

One local corner gave me fits and the machine was rolling the tire. Most other corners were vague.

Being lazy, I installed the Sway Bar.

Wanting more, I plan to see about having Ohlins build some suspension for me and get it better sprung.

I like Mikes method to firm the suspension, but am not sure how much travel has been reduced.

If I weren't so lazy and busy, I would remove the springs and see if Hypercoil has springs that would work and be preload adjustable with collars.

Consider also, the rear swingarm is a mile long, made from steel and not the most twist resistant item.

I really need to see my fabricator friend and make fixtures to build chromoly front arms and a new swingarm.

I also want adjustable Castor and Camber.

PK
 
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Stupid question here... :opps:
Are your tire pressures set correctly?
If the pressures are low; they'll roll over on you! :shocked:
Yes, but I'm going to bump them up a couple of pounds.Also, I get vibration above 55, so I may have a set of the bad batch. I weigh only 160 pounds.
 
Yes, but I'm going to bump them up a couple of pounds.Also, I get vibration above 55, so I may have a set of the bad batch. I weigh only 160 pounds.

At 160, either something is drastically wrong with the oem setup, or you are one aggressive rider when cornering.

My thoughts, verify the gage is accurate.

PK
 
My first question to the OP, and not being nosy, how much do you weigh? It is possible that the oem springs are not capable of supporting the chassis properly.

How much do you estimate your service guy weighs?

Adding spring preload via wedges or collars will not increase spring rates. It will move initial net spring ability to support statically. Preload may or may not help depending upon how far off the spring rate is.

In regards to the relocation of the upper shock mounts, this changes the SLR or suspension leverage ratio. In simple terms the suspension does not move in a 1:1 rate where wheel travel is the same rate as shock shaft travel. The change in leverage ratio, which is being dropped towards the 1:1 rate will take a softer spring AND also the shocks damping, and allow them to support more load. Load being static weight, and loads imposed while riding. The tradeoff is a loss in wheel travel.

No doubt Elkas are better than oem. However the the best shocks in the world can not overcome improper spring rates.

The Sway Bar works in a way to couple three items. Left suspension, right suspension and chassis. It effect it does not change the spring rate on the shocks. By design on any vehicle it is to control body roll. It will however in some cases on some vehicles, give similar results when cornering to act in the same manner as firmer springs.

A sway bar on a a bump, parralllel across the road will see the sway bar rotate as both wheels compress. Essentially no force is entered into the sway bar, it merely rotates.

However, if one tire hits a raised bump and the other remains on flat pavement as the Spyder rolls across, the sway bar will see induced twist, which is a slight increase in overall spring rate to the one wheel.

Suspension setup is a book of many parameters. Rider weight, vehicle weight, leverage ratio, riding style, available grip of the tires, rider preference on feel, cost, damping rates, preloads, spring rates, chassis flex, and even sway bars. All this is blended together into the vest compromise from one rider and vehicle.

So without being nosy, I ask about how much you weigh, considering BRP probably chose the "typical" rider at no more than 200 pounds.

All the best with it.

PK


Very good explanation, thanks.
 
Mine has excessive body roll too. Checking to see if Bilstein has shocks for it. Don't want sway bar because of added weight and harsher ride.

This is a new one on me. I'll send you a bar kit. If you like it you can pay me. If you don't I just ask that you agree to return it.

I never heard that one before. This shows that he stands behind he Products. Ron talks the talk and he walks the walk!

Mike
 
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