Highwayman2013
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Glad you got it figured out. I'm going to keep an eye out for that screw on my 2012. Just over 20,000 now.
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14K service and OOOOPS! I don't think this is good!
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finless
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FYI as I said above I had some oil gunk build up on top of the case behind the rear cylinder.
I took a picture of it but I had started to clean some of it up with a rag before taking the picture.
This is not from the breather hose either as that was totally clean.
Based on this amount of gunk and the slight oil leak, it has obviously been doing it for a while.
I checked my records and I did my 9600 mile service on 8/17/2014. So that screw fell out since then. Who knows how long ago!
Could have been 2 weeks ago (which I doubt based on the gunk) or 4600 miles ago! If I had to guess I would say it started about 2K miles ago or about 1/2 way into my oil change.
Thoughts from others?
Bob
I took a picture of it but I had started to clean some of it up with a rag before taking the picture.
This is not from the breather hose either as that was totally clean.
Based on this amount of gunk and the slight oil leak, it has obviously been doing it for a while.
I checked my records and I did my 9600 mile service on 8/17/2014. So that screw fell out since then. Who knows how long ago!
Could have been 2 weeks ago (which I doubt based on the gunk) or 4600 miles ago! If I had to guess I would say it started about 2K miles ago or about 1/2 way into my oil change.
Thoughts from others?
Bob
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Bob Denman
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:thumbup: Yup! That's a real nice color... 
Dennis in Lodi
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The Good: no apparent damage to the set screw. If damaged, it could start a catastrophic chain of events inside your motor.
The concern: It appears to be part of a cylinder wall oil cooling passage. I suspect the majority of the oil going through this passage chamber for cooling would be lost out the open thread. I would trailer this bike to the dealer. If the piston rings scuff from over heating, it will lead to a racing term called "black death" of the motor.
If my plugs looked like that at 14K I would probably go for custom mapping with a power comander V. I would also send the ECU in to balance and reflash the power curves. V twin manufacturers always dump too much fuel in the rear cylinder and retard the timing advance around the 4K rpm range to redline. This extra fueling and retarding help make sure the bike gets through warranty. The left plug is OK the right rear plug needs help.
My heart would have skipped a beat if I would have seen that threaded plug on the magnet. If your bike is under warranty I would not even start it. I would also ask to inspect under this cover myself for any signs of damage before they put it back together. I have been around blown racing cycle motors for 40 plus years, this is a real concern
Best of luck
The Good: no apparent damage to the set screw. If damaged, it could start a catastrophic chain of events inside your motor.
The concern: It appears to be part of a cylinder wall oil cooling passage. I suspect the majority of the oil going through this passage chamber for cooling would be lost out the open thread. I would trailer this bike to the dealer. If the piston rings scuff from over heating, it will lead to a racing term called "black death" of the motor.
If my plugs looked like that at 14K I would probably go for custom mapping with a power comander V. I would also send the ECU in to balance and reflash the power curves. V twin manufacturers always dump too much fuel in the rear cylinder and retard the timing advance around the 4K rpm range to redline. This extra fueling and retarding help make sure the bike gets through warranty. The left plug is OK the right rear plug needs help.
My heart would have skipped a beat if I would have seen that threaded plug on the magnet. If your bike is under warranty I would not even start it. I would also ask to inspect under this cover myself for any signs of damage before they put it back together. I have been around blown racing cycle motors for 40 plus years, this is a real concern
Best of luck
Dennis in Lodi
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Those plugs would be OK from a carburated bike from the 80's. But from a current generation water cooled fuel injection that's a bit too dark for my taste.:thumbup: Yup! That's a real nice color...
I'll look on my bench for some used V-twin plugs with 30K on the and try to post.
finless
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FYI the right plug looks exactly like the left, it's just the picture as I used a flash from my iPhone.
Considering others that have pulled plugs and the pictures I have seen. Mine is running way better than theirs. But yes the fuel mapping on the 2011 is higher than 2013 and up. I am not doing any custom commander stuff sorry. It's staying stock.
Also another top notch dealer Mech (Shawn Smoak) saw my plugs and thinks I am running just fine.
As for the set screw falling out and trailering it. Seems the BRP bulletin just says "if you find that on an oil change" to do the procedure. Considering the only way to know this happened is on a oil change, I am going to ride it to the dealer. For sure I already put miles on it with this missing, another 25 miles I doubt is going to make much difference.
I also plan to call BRP about it Monday AM for advise.
Bob
Considering others that have pulled plugs and the pictures I have seen. Mine is running way better than theirs. But yes the fuel mapping on the 2011 is higher than 2013 and up. I am not doing any custom commander stuff sorry. It's staying stock.
Also another top notch dealer Mech (Shawn Smoak) saw my plugs and thinks I am running just fine.
As for the set screw falling out and trailering it. Seems the BRP bulletin just says "if you find that on an oil change" to do the procedure. Considering the only way to know this happened is on a oil change, I am going to ride it to the dealer. For sure I already put miles on it with this missing, another 25 miles I doubt is going to make much difference.
I also plan to call BRP about it Monday AM for advise.
Bob
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finless
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finless
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OK did some research on the lubrication circuit.
No worry about cylinder lubrication. A little worry about the countershaft.
Also Shawn chatted to me about this and his comment was:
Also this was not a service bulletin but just a post on BOSSweb which is BRP's dealer forum.
I thank Lamont to the bottom of my heart for helping identify this issue as he spent the time to go on the BRP forum and find it!!!!
THANK YOU Lamont! :bowdown:
Bob
No worry about cylinder lubrication. A little worry about the countershaft.
Also Shawn chatted to me about this and his comment was:
Also this was not a service bulletin but just a post on BOSSweb which is BRP's dealer forum.
I thank Lamont to the bottom of my heart for helping identify this issue as he spent the time to go on the BRP forum and find it!!!!
THANK YOU Lamont! :bowdown:
Bob
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finless
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Bummed out
Can I just say after all this.... I am a little bummed out
My Spyder has been perfect and I have taken care of it extremely well as far as general maintenance goes.
To have this happen totally bums me out today knowing that I have to see a dealer at 14K.
I was hoping to never see a dealer ever in the life of me owning my Spyder (Darth). Alas... it's not to be
It's causing me to reflect on owning a Spyder to be honest when a simple set screw can put me down. No car or other vehicle I have ever owned has done this to me. I put 90K miles on a Honda 750-4 in 1970's with not a single issue.
Anyway to try and have some fun about this but still not being happy, I feel like Bob Denman on this day
So now it's time for me too to deal with a dealer.
After Darth is fixed, if I ever have another BS problem like this I think I will be done with Can-Am / BRP products.
Not being harsh but I like being happy with my ride!
If I am not, then how can someone enjoy a ride that brings grief like this?...
I love my Spyder don't get me wrong! But having something as a simple set screw take me out, in my opinion, is not cool. It makes me think this is not going to be a reliable product for the long run
I am hoping after this is fixed, I don't have any more issues for miles to come.
Bob
Can I just say after all this.... I am a little bummed out
My Spyder has been perfect and I have taken care of it extremely well as far as general maintenance goes.
To have this happen totally bums me out today knowing that I have to see a dealer at 14K.
I was hoping to never see a dealer ever in the life of me owning my Spyder (Darth). Alas... it's not to be
It's causing me to reflect on owning a Spyder to be honest when a simple set screw can put me down. No car or other vehicle I have ever owned has done this to me. I put 90K miles on a Honda 750-4 in 1970's with not a single issue.
Anyway to try and have some fun about this but still not being happy, I feel like Bob Denman on this day
So now it's time for me too to deal with a dealer.
After Darth is fixed, if I ever have another BS problem like this I think I will be done with Can-Am / BRP products.
Not being harsh but I like being happy with my ride!
If I am not, then how can someone enjoy a ride that brings grief like this?...
I love my Spyder don't get me wrong! But having something as a simple set screw take me out, in my opinion, is not cool. It makes me think this is not going to be a reliable product for the long run
I am hoping after this is fixed, I don't have any more issues for miles to come.
Bob
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Stay calm and optimist Bob. The dealer will do the repair and your next ride will be the best you ever done.
Remember, nothing goes wrong with your Spyder before you find that set screw on the magnet. I have the same feeling about my Spyder 3 months after I purchase my 2010 bike. An oil leak at the water pump seal made me down for 2-3 months. Since, and after 85000 kilometers without any trouble, I am very very happy with my Spyder. Next year, a new 2016 RTS is already on the Santa Claus list.
Remember, nothing goes wrong with your Spyder before you find that set screw on the magnet. I have the same feeling about my Spyder 3 months after I purchase my 2010 bike. An oil leak at the water pump seal made me down for 2-3 months. Since, and after 85000 kilometers without any trouble, I am very very happy with my Spyder. Next year, a new 2016 RTS is already on the Santa Claus list.
finless
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No offense but if I was down for 2-3 months, that would be it for me period.
Thanks for the upbeat confidence. I will try to stay in there.
Bob
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I'm sorry you had this problem but don't let it sour you on the Spyder, things built by humans fail sometimes and guys like us find it as a challenge. I do agree that this is a job best left for the dealer seeing it's covered anyway. Glad I was able to point you in the right direction. :doorag:
Bob Denman
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Anyway to try and have some fun about this but still not being happy, I feel like Bob Denman on this day
HEY!!
Seriously; if your bike has been this good for this long... Don't get ready to leave Town just because ONE Bear pooped in your petunias! :thumbup:
Woodsrider
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Hopefully they get you in and out quick. I'm thinkin I may should dive in and check mine and do the loctite 'just in case'. Seems our BRP friends should put a service bulletin out to do just that if it's happened more than once, which it apparently has.
FOD running through the engine on it's way to the sump can do bad things...
FOD running through the engine on it's way to the sump can do bad things...
finless
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Well it's going in tomorrow AM. Talked to the dealer today.
One thing that alarmed me so far is the service writer was quoting to me pre-2012 service schedule!!! e.g. 3,000 mile oil changes etc. I corrected him and said your talking about the old service schedule! I said BRP changed that in 2012.... He then corrected himself....
Hmmmmm I did not find that too good...
Good thing is when I talked to the Mech, he knew what I was talking about. The Mech at this dealer comes reccomended so I am going to forget the service writers education level and trust the Mech.
Bob
One thing that alarmed me so far is the service writer was quoting to me pre-2012 service schedule!!! e.g. 3,000 mile oil changes etc. I corrected him and said your talking about the old service schedule! I said BRP changed that in 2012.... He then corrected himself....
Hmmmmm I did not find that too good...
Good thing is when I talked to the Mech, he knew what I was talking about. The Mech at this dealer comes reccomended so I am going to forget the service writers education level and trust the Mech.
Bob
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