ENDEAVOR TRIKES:

[Big F]

I guess it was just a matter of time before someone came out with a reverse trike conversion. Take a look at the Endeavor Trike web site. I fully realize it is NOT a Spyder but for those who cannot find the money for a Spyder and already have a two-wheeler, this is an alternative.
THE BIG F

 

[Bob Denman]

http://ido-endeavor.com/

These are conversions for existing motorcycles...

 

[tip]

reverse Trike

Hannigan had a reverse trike in their showroom 5 years ago.

 

[Bob Denman]

Here's another interesting-looking options...

http://www.tiltingmotorworks.com/

 

[Oldmanzues]

The first one looks might be workable with a decent bike to start with. I can not say much about the appearence however.
I doubt the safety featurces come close to the Spyder, ABS, VSc and all that.
I, personnally have a bit of a problem with Part A being made by Compnay A. Part B being made by Company B and A/B working with out a problem. I am around a lot GW Trikes from different Companys.
Oldmanzues

 

[Motorcycledave]

Nothing New Here

This was at the SEMA Show in November, I see this stuff
around all the time, some are better than others but all seem
to look out of place to me... If I were to make my bike into
a 3 wheeler it would be the good old way with 2 in the back
only because it looks better :dontknow:

 

[ARtraveler]

I am always a bit skeptical of the "one size fits all" concept. This would not be my choice for a reverse trike.

 

[Chupaca]

Yeah..!!

but the kits run $8,500-9,500. The install would be a fare chunk of change as well. Add what you paid for the bike and you may find the roadster a better deal. But you really have to want one cause spyders can't be changed back to a two wheeler..:roflblack: a snowmobile yes for $6,500...:thumbup:

 

[Rockwall]

Interesting information. Gives credit to the Can Am rides.:doorag:

 

[Professor]

Those Endeavors are just plain ugly - kinda like a transformer that forgot what to do next.

 

[Oldmanzues]

but the kits run $8,500-9,500. The install would be a fare chunk of change as well. Add what you paid for the bike and you may find the roadster a better deal. But you really have to want one cause spyders can't be changed back to a two wheeler..:roflblack: a snowmobile yes for $6,500...:thumbup:

This is the concern all trike conversions. New Wing conversion, bike and kit was on sale at Dealers for 42K. Somebody ele could speak up, but I think actual converting runs about 4 K plus kit for a Wing.
Oldmanzues

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Here's another interesting-looking options...

http://www.tiltingmotorworks.com/

If you go to their Facebook page and scroll down to the pics from the Oyster Run, wherever that was, you'll see this pic. Must have been a prototype for the GL1800. If they would have been available when I bought my Spyder I would have considered it.

https://www.facebook.com/TiltingMot...2671398196581/552670924863295/?type=1&theater

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Trikes, especially 2-1 configurations will out corner most leaning motorcycles and defiantly leaning trikes as a leaning trike will reach a lean angle limit in the suspension before a standard motorcycle will drag parts. The early HD leaning trike had a 32 degree max lean and current units reach perhaps 45 which is not all that great. I am sure in time all these factors will be addressed and corrected if there is a market for it. I am not sure if there is right now.
Now someday a leaning trike may be a viable option but right now the physics and costs just don't work out.

I suspect Bob Mighell of Tilting Motor Works would disagree with you. He has done conversions of Harleys, but how many I do not know.

 

[SXSMachine]

Can-Am has a patent on a leaning trike as does HD and many others and I have done some designs and testing also, however nobody really sells any nor will they currently. There are good reasons for this.
First off the leaning on a conventional bicycle or mc is quite fluid and natural however on a tilting trike it is not so and to make this work at speed would require some very expensive and sophisticated control systems. All conversions work great at low speeds it highway speeds that tell the tail. Leaning trikes must offer smooth action on the suspension along with the balance act of keeping all the pivot centers alined and then leaning on top of all that. Bump is a problem and so is pogo and speed wobble. ( I have experienced all of this in leaning tests )
Right now a leaning trike is just a novelty item as anyone who wants to lean will just stick with their motorcycle.
Trikes, especially 2-1 configurations will out corner most leaning motorcycles and defiantly leaning trikes as a leaning trike will reach a lean angle limit in the suspension before a standard motorcycle will drag parts. The early HD leaning trike had a 32 degree max lean and current units reach perhaps 45 which is not all that great. I am sure in time all these factors will be addressed and corrected if there is a market for it. I am not sure if there is right now.
Now someday a leaning trike may be a viable option but right now the physics and costs just don't work out.

100% wrong.

If you dont know how this works the avoid the problems you discuss then you dont understand the dynamics of leaning motorcycle front ends.

A race up Pikes Peake is enough to prove to anyone its a stable enough motorcycle.

http://www.tremoto.com

It works more than admirably and is the choice of leaning on road reverse trikes because it actually works within the laws of physics by giving the maximum possible opportunity to always push a wheel in contact with the road. That system is patented twice over.

 

[Bob Denman]

100% wrong.

If you dont know how this works the avoid the problems you discuss then you dont understand the dynamics of leaning motorcycle front ends.

A race up Pikes Peake is enough to prove to anyone its a stable enough motorcycle.

http://www.tremoto.com

It works more than admirably and is the choice of leaning on road reverse trikes because it actually works within the laws of physics by giving the maximum possible opportunity to always push a wheel in contact with the road. That system is patented twice over.

What does racing have to do with an average person, with average capabilities; riding a streetbike? :dontknow:
You're trying to look at an elephant through a soda straw, and then describe the entire beast...

 

[bscrive]

The new F3 front end sure does look like the Endeavor front ends. Especially, the one on the Victory. I wonder if BRP has copied your design RTWing????

 

[SXSMachine]

What does racing have to do with an average person, with average capabilities; riding a streetbike? :dontknow:
You're trying to look at an elephant through a soda straw, and then describe the entire beast...

Because it was an average person with average riding capabilities whop undertook the ride, not a racer, which just points out exactly how much of an influence the front end design has on keeping just a regular rider with some experience upright in extraordinary conditions, you can as I have said before even see where the rider got so tired as to get it horribly wrong by braking point or line and still kept the package completely upright with no threat to safety. Thats the advantage right there in that statement. It can handle your mistakes.

The split between static motorcycle and leaning motorcycles is where it sits in terms of difference if you are comfortable to lean the Tremoto makes you feel twice as safe as you do on anything else and is more than twice as safe. If you dont feel comfortable leaning get a Spyder and enjoy what it does, theres never been any disputing that. That and there in lies the difference between the platforms they differentiate by the desire of the rider and are made for what they want to do.

If you want a trike that leans there is one and its 100%.

 

[SXSMachine]

Obviously we are both bias but in different directions. I will compromise at 50% wrong as should you as there is more to the physics than simple mechanics. I could make a very long list but then this tread would soon escalate into a huge argument and the end result would be we are both 100% wrong. I am not your competition as we are really in focused on different aspects of the powersports market.

That aside I like the look of your design it fits the bike well, it's nice work. :thumbup:

The 100% is focussed on your comment that there isnt a trike that meets both the physics and the cost of the market. In that I ( a fan of the Tremoto not the designer or owner) believe that yes there are times when where lack of luck will mean both fronts loose grip but even then the lean angle assuming you are still on the ground and not off a cliff will keep you at a lean angle if you can handle that on a personal level as a rider not a particular of the design itself that will let you hit the ground. So physics keeps working for you and money is pretty manageable. Yes nothing will do the impossible yet maybe not even the improbable but this will do it better than most peoples capabilities given a regular set of circumstances (immediately I say when are circumstances ever regular in the real world? So Im willing to give you say 80/20 lol)

As an outsider to the design it need product design makeover badly, mechanically there are things I would like to try like wheels only as wide as the handle bars and even arched A arms for more clearance all iterations yet to be tried, but mechanically sound.

Yes Can Am have a patent and last year they made a lot of new updates to that patent that suggested they were back working seriously on the leaner but then they had a financial bump and I dont know if its shelved again or not because I havent seen anything new again I am assuming so.

But its there and one day, maybe......

Until then there are those who are doing it like yourself and Tremoto and Tilting MW I dont know if they are selling. I know Tremoto only sell projects yet not production.

To future success! :thumbup:

 

[SXSMachine]

Oh do we mention Elio is a failure to deliver as is Lit although Lit keeps on going I dont think we will hear to much more of Elio.

Lit is being redesigned yet again to try and accommodate more of this cornering ability they so sadly can perform little of now.The statement from Lit being they are falling in love all over again with the new design considerations of the cycle, WOFTAM. One day it could actually be a vehicle that people accept and that I think is its biggest hurdle that even if it had good handling now would be that its just to big a leap of faith for people to move from a car to a inline cigar sped car, they need and interim step of which both Static trikes and leaning trikes will play a role. IMHO.

:thumbup:

Been trying for 5 years now to get the business going to fund the Tremoto business and now that business has about started so I hope this year or next to be producing Tremoto for mass (boutique really) production. Then a whole heap of iteration for on and off road and partially and completely enclosed.

^ next update 6 months from now.

 

[SXSMachine]

Jesler.com

Heres something I havent come across before or seen on the Spyders pages.

Claims to a V-twin and Inline four so far as configuration with reverse I cant tell you any more that that at the moment but looks good for 3 bikes so far.