I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

[Magdave]

You know guys and gals I do not hate my bike I really do have a love hate relations ship with it. I hate the problems and feeble fixes so far but really like to ride it ( except I know the alignment is off but I am waiting for Outlaw to come my way), love the way it looks I have to look back at it every time I walk away from it sorta like the Corvettes I have owned. I just want it to be able to take me to the Grand Canyon safely without breakdowns. I am not sure that is possible yet so I keep within my 200mi. BEST towing limit. I REALLY would rather not have to do that. Face it back in the day you could fix a bike on the side of the road not this one.

 

[OldCowboy]

For those who are interested, Power Commander now has units for 2013 Spyders.

 

[2spyders]

I've been gone from here for a long time - since the same craziness over the dps on the 2008s, and I see that people still feel very passionately on all sides of the issue.

For the record, I was a happy 2008 owner, even with dps issues, but traded it in on a 2010 as soon as the warranty was up. I was an ecstatic 2010 RSS owner, and I am now a happy 2013 ST-Ltd owner, even with some heat on my left leg, but not as bad as it was on the 2008.

i've also just bought a new Cadillac ATS and spend a lot of time on their forum now. There are Cadillac customer service reps active - really active - on that forum and they have been really responsive to some issues that have come up on this brand new model. My point is that Can Am/Brp could learn something from that. What could have turned into the same kind of nightmare that some of you are dealing with, has been handled in a civilized, quick, and (it seems) effective manner.

 

[Jeriatric]

I don't complain about the hot right foot, because I can move the foot...the only time I can't move it is stop and go traffic and you just suffer....if someone complains...then they don't wear the right shoes...etc..

I do not have a 13 spyder, but, I do understand the problems you and others have.

It's unfortunate to hear the door doesn't swing BOTH ways with you. Or, you would be more understanding of people who wear the right 'boots' don't wear a size 4 shoe, and continue to try to resolve the right foot heat issue.

Speaking for myself. I find your comment offensive and narrow minded.

I thought long and hard before writing this response. But, could not, not respond to what I interpreted as a cheap shot.

Hope your issues are resolved sooner rather than later.

 

[SpyderMouse22]

Magdave...oh how I know how you feel....I did not post for a few days because I got tired of defending myself....I am not a whiner ...I had a 2009 RS that I put about $7000 into to make it a touring bike...put 54,000 miles on it in 2 1/2 years...I loved that bike and had no more than general maintenance ....had the clutch replaced...dps....but this 2013 ST is a nightmare...afraid to ride it....but I've come to a place that I'm working with BRP...hopefully good things will happen.....I always have a Lemon-law....but no one understands the 2013's except for owners and the technically inclined, thanks to my husband, Mark...I believe.this bike is going to blow a piston, burn to the ground, melt all plastic and rubber parts, a lean machine does not last long, I'm replacing the 2nd purge valve next week, it clatters and shakes and sounds like the engine is going to fall apart on cold take-off and reverse, hot air at gas tank...measured the other day...181 degrees just behind gas cap...I have the gas tank covered in 1/4" ceramic heat shield protection....what's up with that....this bike is not going to last very long and going to be a constant problem.....BRP will not hear the end of it until I have another bike.....I could go on...but I will stop...flame away....I got my Big Girl Pants On

My 2013 ST Limited is one of the sort of ok bikes. Some heat issues and some steering issues. I don't complain much on the board about it but i do get information. What makes me angry with BRP that even the things that could be fixed were hard to find out about. Here is an example. Steering problems aren't only limited to bad alignment but the bad shock problem. You can get free shocks if you complain under 1800 miles. Isn't that nice.Steering issues also got left behind because of the heat problems. I will fight to the end to make my bike right knowing that it is a losing battle. One last thing some should think about. paying 30K to be a beta tester is not a fun thing. 2014 RTs maybe you don't want to go buy one so fast. I would take some of the issues with the 2013s and wait on those 2014s to see what happens. Now that i have said my piece back to the battle with the dealer tomorrow about my bike issues.The class of 2013 bikes with issues is not going to ever be forgotten or go away.

 

[Bob Denman]

You know guys and gals I do not hate my bike I really do have a love hate relations ship with it. I hate the problems and feeble fixes so far but really like to ride it ( except I know the alignment is off but I am waiting for Outlaw to come my way), love the way it looks I have to look back at it every time I walk away from it sorta like the Corvettes I have owned.

They ARE addictive; aren't they?


Dave,
You've been pretty vocal about your problems... AND your attempts to placate them! :2thumbs: That is EXACTLY what is needed right now. :clap:
To the Trekkers out there...
Remember the old Klingon proverb; "Only a fool fights inside a burning house."

Let's work together to solve this; we can fight over tire pressures/helmet usage/oil brands later! nojoke

 

[cuznjohn]

power commander

For those who are interested, Power Commander now has units for 2013 Spyders.

just what would the power commander do for our bikes. i have looked into them and even put one on my triumph and never noticed a difference. can someone explain how it could help a bike with heat problems, i would think to keep the bike running right it would be built into the software of the ecu

 

[Bob Denman]

We're kicking around this idea, without determining if the bikes (Char's excluded) ARE in fact running lean enough to be a part of the problem...:shocked:
If the ECM can be shown to have a "programming problem"; perhaps these units might be able to richen the mix up enough to help...
But I've also heard that the dealer can also reflash the ECM; does that make enough of a change to help?? :dontknow:
More investigation of this option might be useful. :thumbup:

 

[SNOOPY]

You know guys and gals I do not hate my bike I really do have a love hate relations ship with it. I hate the problems and feeble fixes so far but really like to ride it ( except I know the alignment is off but I am waiting for Outlaw to come my way), love the way it looks I have to look back at it every time I walk away from it sorta like the Corvettes I have owned. I just want it to be able to take me to the Grand Canyon safely without breakdowns. I am not sure that is possible yet so I keep within my 200mi. BEST towing limit. I REALLY would rather not have to do that. Face it back in the day you could fix a bike on the side of the road not this one.

It it would really suck not trusting a vehicle to travel very far.



That's why I don't buy GM products as well.

 

[SNOOPY]

We're kicking around this idea, without determining if the bikes (Char's excluded) ARE in fact running lean enough to be a part of the problem...:shocked:
If the ECM can be shown to have a "programming problem"; perhaps these units might be able to richen the mix up enough to help...
But I've also heard that the dealer can also reflash the ECM; does that make enough of a change to help?? :dontknow:
More investigation of this option might be useful. :thumbup:

"If" BRP found some of this to be an ECM software problem, it would be super easy to send the file to a dealer to reflash..."if" the dealer had the capability to.

I know car dealerships do this all the time, usually re flashing for safety type settings like airbag sensitivity or throttle sensitivity, etc etc

 

[hchays]

I think it is great that there is a forum that people can talk about the issues that they have with thier Spyders. The problem that I have is everyone talks about RT's and ST's but what about the RS's? I feel like the RS owners are the ugly step children of the Spyder community IMO. I spend a lot of money on my 2013 RS and have heat issues too. It is basically the same design as the ST so why wouldn't we? I don't post on a lot of the "complaint forums" because people seem to exclude us RS owners. No we did not spend $25,000 but we spent enough to buy damn near any other motorcycle on the market and still choose to get screwed by BRP just like everyone else. Enough of that rant...... As I stated I have a 2013 RS with heat issues also. I have made a couple of mods that have helped the situation, but it still pisses me off that I would spend this kind of money to have an issue that does not seem to be a major concern of BRP. Not only that but the fact that BRP has such an obviously poor dealer system. Yes there are some good dealers out there that will do what is right for the customer. If you have one of those dealer congrats! However from what I see a lot of the dealers could not care less about customer service. There are a lot of dealers that don't even want to work on Spyders unless they were bought from them (I have personal experience with that). While Spyder shopping I had a co-owner of a dealership tell me that I know we (the dealership) are not the cheapest but "if I wanted them to service my Spyder I'd better take care of the dealer". Needless to say I did not buy from them, but in hind sight that should have been my sign to buy something else. How can BRP possibly think they are going to build a business with that kind of support? I can honestly say that I will not buy another Spyder unless some BIG changes are made nor will I recommend it to anyone. I'm not here to upset anyone (other than BRP), but this is how I and I think many other Spyder owners feel.

 

[flamingobabe]

I do not have a 13 spyder, but, I do understand the problems you and others have.

It's unfortunate to hear the door doesn't swing BOTH ways with you. Or, you would be more understanding of people who wear the right 'boots' don't wear a size 4 shoe, and continue to try to resolve the right foot heat issue.

Speaking for myself. I find your comment offensive and narrow minded.

I thought long and hard before writing this response. But, could not, not respond to what I interpreted as a cheap shot.

Hope your issues are resolved sooner rather than later.

Jerbear...I don't understand...what I was trying to say is if someone complains about comfort issues..(feet too hot)..it seems others speak up and say if you wear the right protection you would not experience the hot foot....I wear boots that protect...but if someone wants to wear tennis shoes/flip flops they should be able to....without others telling them they should wear boots that protect....my comment was maybe to general....sorry if I sounded offensive and narrow minded...was not my intent

 

[SNOOPY]

Jerbear...I don't understand...what I was trying to say is if someone complains about comfort issues..(feet too hot)..it seems others speak up and say if you wear the right protection you would not experience the hot foot....I wear boots that protect...but if someone wants to wear tennis shoes/flip flops they should be able to....without others telling them they should wear boots that protect....my comment was maybe to general....sorry if I sounded offensive and narrow minded...was not my intent

From BRPs standpoint they should have designed the bike to be tolerable for people wearing anything from flipflops to boots.

 

[flamingobabe]

FB what did BRP tell your dealer was OK to do on your bike like the insulation?

Remember when we did this with BRP....we had found a melted master cylinder.....in June...it was July before we got to PitBull Powersports to work on the Spyder....
1. wrapped pipes with 2" DEI exhaust tape from auto parts store
2. wrapped gas tank, brake cables with 1/4" ceramic heat reflective sheets
3. installed a new protective 6" stainless steel heat shield that is taller than master cylinder
4. used stainless steel clamps

 

[Jeriatric]

Jerbear...I don't understand...what I was trying to say is if someone complains about comfort issues..(feet too hot)..it seems others speak up and say if you wear the right protection you would not experience the hot foot....I wear boots that protect...but if someone wants to wear tennis shoes/flip flops they should be able to....without others telling them they should wear boots that protect....my comment was maybe to general....sorry if I sounded offensive and narrow minded...was not my intent

And obviously I have become more than a wee bit touchy about the subject. pps: Beverages are on me the next time we meet.

 

[billybovine]

Why is the truth unacceptable.

I drive my 2013 ST Limited in running shoes all the time no matter the conditions. I have driven in shorts a few times. At first the heat from under the seat was awful, but after a hour of labour and a roll of closed cell foam rubber weather stripping from the hardware store, that problem was solved. When the recall was done no melted parts found. So I have rode over 9,000 miles without really much of a heat issue except from under the left side of the seat that I fixed. Of course it's hot you are sitting on top of an internal combustion engine. I am not having the problems Flamingobabe is having and I feel that BRP needs to step up and fix her Spyder. I understand and accept that others are having heat problems and hope that BRP comes up with fix soon. What I don't understand is why when someone like me says they are not having a heat problem this is considered unacceptable and not a valid comment. A good example of this is when Snoopy commented he was not having heat problems. A excuse was made that his opinion did not count. He may be a dog but appears to be a smart one.

The definition of Spyderlovers insanity is starting a new thread every couple days on the same topic and expecting a different answer.

 

[Magdave]

Remember when we did this with BRP....we had found a melted master cylinder.....in June...it was July before we got to PitBull Powersports to work on the Spyder....
1. wrapped pipes with 2" DEI exhaust tape from auto parts store
2. wrapped gas tank, brake cables with 1/4" ceramic heat reflective sheets
3. installed a new protective 6" stainless steel heat shield that is taller than master cylinder
4. used stainless steel clamps

I remember but wanted to make sure BRP was in the loop with what you did especially the exhaust. Did you pay for it or did BRP? If you did I am sure you have (or should have ) gotten reimbursed after the recall for some (if not all ) of what you did since it was obviously part of what BRP did on the recall.Thanks for your response.

 

[Magdave]

I drive my 2013 ST Limited in running shoes all the time no matter the conditions. I have driven in shorts a few times. At first the heat from under the seat was awful, but after a hour of labour and a roll of closed cell foam rubber weather stripping from the hardware store, that problem was solved. When the recall was done no melted parts found. So I have rode over 9,000 miles without really much of a heat issue except from under the left side of the seat that I fixed. Of course it's hot you are sitting on top of an internal combustion engine. I am not having the problems Flamingobabe is having and I feel that BRP needs to step up and fix her Spyder. I understand and accept that others are having heat problems and hope that BRP comes up with fix soon. What I don't understand is why when someone like me says they are not having a heat problem this is considered unacceptable and not a valid comment. A good example of this is when Snoopy commented he was not having heat problems. A excuse was made that his opinion did not count. He may be a dog but appears to be a smart one.

The definition of Spyderlovers insanity is starting a new thread every couple days on the same topic and expecting a different answer.

That was a joke between me and Snoop I think he got it. If not I apologize.

 

[schnauzermom]

"The definition of Spyderlovers insanity is starting a new thread every couple days on the same topic and expecting a different answer."


:agree::agree:

 

[SpyderMouse22]

Maybe a bit early

It is a bit strange that some don't have any problems some have alot of problems and some like myself are in between good and bad. So many problems that are unrelated also. I would say to the ones that have no problems that I wouldn't do a happy dance too soon. After reading many posts on here I do think there are some design flaws and issues with shocks and fuel mixtures that may continue to creep up. I am lucky having a 6 year waranty and will keep making trips to the shop and talk on the phone till I get the problems solved.