I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

[gottago]

2013 issues?

I have a 2013 RTS and have had very few issues (guess I'm the lucky one). Only issues I've had are
1. rear tire burned out at 8700 miles( no big deal) Have already talked with dealer and tech ( doughnuts help with the service dept)I do have a Kuhmo waiting for me when Spring comes by, that'll be first trip. 2. heat fix had no real heat problems before fix. 3. bad Purge valve- replaced all is good now. 4. Had a little challenge with bike doing the snake dance going at hwy speed 70+. That was straightened out with a BaJa Ron sway bar. These are the only things I've had(so far). The one thing I did do that I'll bet 80% of the people buying don't do is, I had salesman contact BRP and had a Build sheet sent to dealer before I picked up bike. Salesman was told if bike was started on a Monday or on a Friday I wont be buying it, and I have to see the build sheet. It was started on a Tuesday May21 and finished on a Thursday May 23rd, Now, Some may call BS on the build sheet thing but I feel it works I don't think it matters what you buy ie: Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc., what I've noticed is if it's built on a Monday or Friday you'll(maybe) have issues. have had it happen throughout my short 63 yrs. There was a period of time (in my past) that I traded vehicles ever year in March. I only had one bad (Chevy) and sure enough it was started on a Monday. --- Just my two(three) cents worth for what it's worth. I love my bike and am having a ball on in( fair weather only- hehehe). I am so sorry for those of you that are having major issues with their bikes, I hope BRP unplugs their heads from their B***s. good luck to all.:yes:

 

[Magdave]

105 degrees at fuel cap.
98 degrees at point of seat.(crotch area.)
169 degrees at radiator fan outlet.(air coming out on foot.):yikes:
this after 20 mile ride in 84 degree weather. The bike is still to hot for me but the customer does not mind it.

Those are actually pretty good numbers close to what I have since I insulated everything. My cap was 135 and crotch 120 before I did some insulating. Fan is actually a little higher than mine I get 150-160 but might be device differences.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

I guess it's time for me to jump in here. I too have a 2013 ST that runs hot, not motor hot but components hot. My right foot got so hot I couldn't keep it on the floor boards. Really surprised there has not been more complaints about that on the board. I've had to do a lot of work to mine to get it where I wanted to ride it. I've owned every make, model and year Spyder to date and the 2013 ST is the hottest of them all followed by my 2008. I really do feel bad for the folks that are having heat issues, I know if I couldn't work on my own bike I would be one of those people.

I will say that BRP does care and just because a fix has not happened soon enough for most of you that are having issues they are working on it. They are just as unhappy as you all, more so I would think seeing this has to have hurt the bottomline. At one time all we talked about here was the DPS and then it was the throttle bodies and now it's the heat. The DPS and the throttle body were real problems but are a thing of the past now. I'm sure we loss owners and members over those issues and we will most likely see some leave the product and the board over the heat issues. I hate that too but it is what it is and all I can do is to try and put it into perspective and hope for a good outcome. I'm confident there will be a resolve to these issues.

Lamont, thanks for checking in on this. I know your input is respected. I am either a very lucky 13 RT owner or a very naive one, but I don't appear to have the serious issues that others have had. My canister was melted slightly but that was it. On very long rides in very hot conditions my butt gets hot, but not enough to get off the bike. I have a blast ryding. You say that BRP is working on a fix! and everybody wants to believe you! and I do believe you. They asked us to do a survey and most of us obliged, but we have not heard anything from them. I think the negative tone on this board would be abated by some sort of communication from BRP. Just a letter to all owners stating that we are working on some "upgrades to the 13 models" would calm a lot of people down. I for one am going to Ryde the :cus: off my Spyder because I love it, and we are thinking about buying another one. But I think if BRP is indeed working on something, then they need to speak up. Don't you think so?

 

[spyder3]

Lamont, thanks for checking in on this. I know your input is respected. I am either a very lucky 13 RT owner or a very naive one, but I don't appear to have the serious issues that others have had. My canister was melted slightly but that was it. On very long rides in very hot conditions my butt gets hot, but not enough to get off the bike. I have a blast ryding. You say that BRP is working on a fix! and everybody wants to believe you! and I do believe you. They asked us to do a survey and most of us obliged, but we have not heard anything from them. I think the negative tone on this board would be abated by some sort of communication from BRP. Just a letter to all owners stating that we are working on some "upgrades to the 13 models" would calm a lot of people down. I for one am going to Ryde the :cus: off my Spyder because I love it, and we are thinking about buying another one. But I think if BRP is indeed working on something, then they need to speak up. Don't you think so?

Pirate, i'm glad you are happy enough with your spyder and can ride it. However, you did have the serious issues others are complaining about. Your canister melted, meaning its VERY hot....isnt that really the entire issue? Your bike is running hot enough to melt components:dontknow: What would have happened if you rode further, or in hotter weather...:dontknow:

100% agree, The lack of communication is really an issue.

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

Those are actually pretty good numbers close to what I have since I insulated everything. My cap was 135 and crotch 120 before I did some insulating. Fan is actually a little higher than mine I get 150-160 but might be device differences.

That's what I was thinking to, those are some temps that aren't too bad. Last time I went to the dealer I had the service writer come out and check mine as soon as I arrived there. He logged a temp of 153 on the cap and I made sure they put that on the work order. I do not even check the temp at the radiator.

 

[Vrooom]

We all will benefit

Yes, all Spyder owners, with or without heat problems,will benefit from aiding those with issues. These are very expensive toys that we do enjoy riding and we must join together to see that our ride is safe. So far, we have approached the problems as individuals. That rarely works when confronting any powerful organization. I own a 2013 rt without issues to date, however, I am more than willing to assist those who are experiencing problems. I could be next.
BRP cares. How do we know that? They left a thread and post where you could state your 2cents and feel better. But, that is all you will get from them without action. What kind of action depends on us. Let's face it, considering the price of our toys,many of us have probably been owners and management, not unionizers. So, are we upset enough to stage a ryde in at Co. hdqrs or picket dealers with poor service? Actions speak louder than words.

 

[KAPike]

I have nothing but sympathy for the 2013 owners. I sat on the sidelines watching the post here about the RT problems through most of 2011. I wanted to buy a Spyder for a year before I pulled the trigger on a 2012. Finally last summer I realized it was what it was and I felt like I could "fix" the RT problems with the aftermarket support here. I have spent $1000 of dollars fixing what I felt were the weakness in my 2012. (Shocks, Swaybar, Block Off Plates, Belt Tensioner, Third Brake Light, Corbin Seat, Floorboards, ect...) I'm encouraged to see what people are doing with the exhaust wrap and I'm going to do that this winter. Will it make a huge difference...I don't know, but it's worth a run at it.

Having said all that, best wishes to the 2013 owners, don't give up on looking for heat solutions, but in the same breath, don't expect BRP to fix it for you.

 

[Bob Denman]

Having said all that, best wishes to the 2013 owners, don't give up on looking for heat solutions, but in the same breath, don't expect BRP to fix it for you.

:agree: :2thumbs: Well said... :clap:

 

[Pirate looks at --]

[/B]

Pirate, i'm glad you are happy enough with your spyder and can ride it. However, you did have the serious issues others are complaining about. Your canister melted, meaning its VERY hot....isnt that really the entire issue? Your bike is running hot enough to melt components:dontknow: What would have happened if you rode further, or in hotter weather...:dontknow:

100% agree, The lack of communication is really an issue.

well it was pretty long 800 miles, and 108, when I brought it in for the recall. :roflblack:

 

[jerpinoy]

This forum help me understand the other things that I don't know. This is the place my frustation is vented. Humors and Jokes help me get through the day.

SORRY if you have enough of these, but the intention is to lighten up and share the good stuff we have in common:spyder2:.

This forum is like a food buffet to me. I eat only that I like and ignore the rest.

 

[Bob Denman]

Me too! :2thumbs: Only ALL of the food gets...tasted!

 

[SNOOPY]

Yes, I believe the cooling system has the capacity to handle the cooling of the engine very well. A lean burning or over advanced timing will promote hotter combustion temps and that will make the exhaust system hotter as well but the cooling system can handle the cylinder head temps but once the heat is in the pipes it can not be controlled anymore and relies on air movement over the pipes to control that extra heat. Air flow through the panels now may be ok for an ideal running motor but if that balance is tilted the airflow may not be enough.

Thanks :thumbup:

 

[OldCowboy]

Those are actually pretty good numbers close to what I have since I insulated everything. My cap was 135 and crotch 120 before I did some insulating. Fan is actually a little higher than mine I get 150-160 but might be device differences.

So, what is your cap and crotch temp since you've done the insulating? And what/where did you insulate? This is the kind of information we need to know. Air temp coming off the radiator is pretty immaterial since it's controlled more by the ambient temp and thermostat than anything else.

CincySpyder posted today that he'd installed a fan that kept his under-tupperware temps at ambient temperature. That's the kind of mod that should help you.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Oh oh!

So, what is your cap and crotch temp since you've done the insulating? And what/where did you insulate? This is the kind of information we need to know. Air temp coming off the radiator is pretty immaterial since it's controlled more by the ambient temp and thermostat than anything else.

CincySpyder posted today that he'd installed a fan that kept his under-tupperware temps at ambient temperature. That's the kind of mod that should help you.

:cus: Just checked my crotch temperature and it all the way up to 98.6:banghead:

 

[Bob Denman]

Question: Was this reading taken by you, or a trained medical professional??

 

[mindman]

You and others like you paid the price of admission and have every right to share your experiece. :doorag:

:agree: 100%

If available where you live, Lemon Laws should be invoked for sure!
If not....keep the pressure on!
It would be very interesting to know just how many sales BRP has lost as a result of people reading this website. Since it is one of the largest - if not THE largest Spyder oriented website, my guess is that they've lost a LOT of potential buyers.

 

[Magdave]

So, what is your cap and crotch temp since you've done the insulating? And what/where did you insulate? This is the kind of information we need to know. Air temp coming off the radiator is pretty immaterial since it's controlled more by the ambient temp and thermostat than anything else.

CincySpyder posted today that he'd installed a fan that kept his under-tupperware temps at ambient temperature. That's the kind of mod that should help you.

Cap holds around 100 I had the dealer use some of the same stuff on the inner panels foam aluminum from a wrecked spyder all around the black plastic around the cap, crotch mid 90s and latch hole ( I used DEI tape to close it) 90. I also did inside and under the glove box with DEI and it is only a little warm now I have always had a folded microfiber towel in it to hold my garage door remote in place and insulate it. Gas tank was done with DEI 1500deg tape.I read about his blower and it could be doable I like the idea of running a relay from the radiator fan. I just do not want to start butchering anything till I am sure BRP is done doing anything to address the heat issues. I am sure Lamont will let us all know when that is. I can live with mine as is for now but will need to do something by next summer. The trouble really is I have deflected the heat from my body but it is still there and heating something else up. My gas no longer boils AFIK but since the tank is no longer a heat sink it has to go somewhere else. That is my long term worry. Something needs to be done to the headers IMHO and I believe BRP should be addressing that. Even then that will cause more heat downstream so what damage will that cause :dontknow: Every action has a reaction and I DO NOT want to do anything that they may void my warranty for which is why I had the dealer do the insulating. If BRP decides to do that then I will get reimbursed. I believe they had FB's bike done I do not know if they paid for hers maybe she could tell us.

Notice above the filler hole you will see some foam/aluminum insulation on the frame under the crotch area on previous years there was some in that area but not on the 2013.







I re did the latch after the next picture and got the temp down more. These temps wer all taken on a 90+ day within 5min after I got off. I wish I had taken pics of the pre temps more but I saw my cap at 155 one time and heard the boiling.

 

[Jeriatric]

:agree: 100%

If available where you live, Lemon Laws should be invoked for sure!
If not....keep the pressure on!
It would be very interesting to know just how many sales BRP has lost as a result of people reading this website. Since it is one of the largest - if not THE largest Spyder oriented website, my guess is that they've lost a LOT of potential buyers.

Lets hope that's not the case. Would much prefer a potential buyer would become better informed and use the knowledge gained here to make an informed decision. jm2c

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: We're most likely not best-served, by creating an adversarial relationship at this time...

 

[Rockwall]

Owners of 2013's have major problems and that is horrible. Would it be a good idea to create a new heading on Spyderlovers for 2013 issues? This would better organize issues for those that need help and us "lucky" 2012 and earlier people.

Just thinking...