I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

[NancysToy]

It is a bit strange that some don't have any problems some have alot of problems and some like myself are in between good and bad. So many problems that are unrelated also. I would say to the ones that have no problems that I wouldn't do a happy dance too soon. After reading many posts on here I do think there are some design flaws and issues with shocks and fuel mixtures that may continue to creep up. I am lucky having a 6 year waranty and will keep making trips to the shop and talk on the phone till I get the problems solved.

One of the things that continues to bother me about the Spyders is the variability in quality control, performance, and problems. I'm sure some of it may be due to different expectations and perceptions, but it runs deeper than that. We have had no difficulties with Nancy's Spyder, other than updates and recalls. My first RT was horrid, although others just a few serial numbers away were quite good. My 2011 has been quite reliable, although it has had some issues. You would not expect the quality to be all over the map like that. When BRP resolves that variability, and gets the bugs out of the new models, they may be on to the world-class machine we all seem to desire. JMHO

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: (TWICE! ) There seems to be so much variability in a machine that is supposed to be mass-produced and consistent... :gaah:

 

[poordom]

I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

Good afternoon,

I have read the recent messages, I think we are all in agreement on several points :

1 ) In general, we do enjoy driving our Spyders, but would enjoy them a lot more if it were not for certain nagging issues.

2 ) Here, I think we all pretty much agree that there are some issues that are model related, and that we can all deal with, some seats are not as comfortable as they show be, this can be attributed tothe Spyder model, obviously an RS or GS seat will not be as comfortable as an RT seat. I think we can understand and live with that.

3) Peg positions, backrests, seat position, again these are model related issues, the RT will be more comfortable that the RS GS or ST we can all understand that.

The items listed above are of preferences, therefore any modifications you do, are to benefit the look and creature comfort, and not mechanicaly related.

If you are 100% satisfied, with your Spyder and BRP, skip to the next post, the following section will only aggrevate you for nothing.

Unto issues which are not acceptable.

Like the damn heat issue, which has plagued several Spyders from its inception, it as been 5 years already, and it is still not resolved, why are there some Spyders that have the problem and some that do not, all models are affected, it is not limited to the RS/GS, ST or RT, or model years, it doesn't matter which one.

In my view, if by now BRP has not resolved this issue, or posted some type of corrective measure, then the company's only concern it to sell trikes, and are not to concern with customer satisfaction.

I have always believed that any product manufacturered in Canada, US or Mexico under strengient quality control rules through ISO approved manufacturing facilities, should not require an end user of such product to spend additional funds trying to correct a design, manufacturing, or quality control problem, in doing so, you are enabling the manufacturer to produce a large percentage of sub standard products.

I read posts where people say BRP are taking us seriously and trying to help resolve issues, these people are naive.

This heat issue is 5 years old, how many bikes need to burn, parts to melt, people to complain, before they react, BRP people are great listeners and are very compasionate, but that is all they do, is listen and be compasionate, does one need to wait until a child burns himself before the problem is corrected then the blame would be on your shoulder, for not seeking corrective measures, this simply because the manufacturer was negligent and irresponsable for not correcting this issue.

Dom

 

[Bob Denman]

Dom,
Take a look at the previous six pages... you're about 164 posts late to the party... :shocked:

 

[poordom]

I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

Dom,
Take a look at the previous six pages... you're about 164 posts late to the party... :shocked:

Bob,

If you would bother to read some of the posts, you would have noticed that I had posted # 127.

Dom

 

[Bob Denman]

Found it... pps: My apologies are gently offered...

 

[poordom]

I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

Found it... pps: My apologies are gently offered...

Bob,

Your apologies are gracefully accepted.

Dom

 

[SNOOPY]

That was a joke between me and Snoop I think he got it. If not I apologize.

No one needs to apologize to me. All this forum stuff can't be taken too serious, it's always hard to tell what people feel from the words they post....no emotions put into the words most times.




....and I'm just a dog anyhow, sheesh.

 

[SNOOPY]

:agree: (TWICE! ) There seems to be so much variability in a machine that is supposed to be mass-produced and consistent... :gaah:

Are you trying to say that my bike wasn't hand built specifically for me??????? :gaah:

 

[poordom]

I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 ownersI have had enough "spyder lovin

No one needs to apologize to me. All this forum stuff can't be taken too serious, it's always hard to tell what people feel from the words they post....no emotions put into the words most times.




....and I'm just a dog anyhow, sheesh.

Snoppy,

I take everything I write very seriously, in the hope that someone at BRP bothers to read.

I don't think you're a dog, if I did I wouldn't bother responding to your post.

I think a great number of us have grievances with BRP which need to be addressed.

I think the more input we gather from users, the more ideas and ammunition we have.

There was a post before that I found to be a great idea, make a video and post it on YouTube about the issues that some of us are having, this would definitely catch someones attention.

Another point Snoppy that you haven't realized, is that any potential customers that read our negative posts, has an impact on any pending future sales.

So please don't feel that way.

Dom

 

[SNOOPY]

Thousands and thousands of posts are made on hundreds of forums everyday, and not just by Bob D.

Personally I think it does more to contact BRP customer service and enter a complaint than talk on a forum about it.

I understand there is some merit discussing things on a forum and getting the word out, but I don't think a small company like BRP is willing to wade through posts like Ford or GM do....and I know personally they do.

Personally I don't even know how to contact and input a complaint w/ BRP, I take it maybe there is contact info in our owners manual. But I think that is second to taking it in to your dealer a few times w/ the same complaint and not getting it resolved...before contacting BRP as an unsatisfied customer.

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[Magdave]

Thousands and thousands of posts are made on hundreds of forums everyday, and not just by Bob D.

Personally I think it does more to contact BRP customer service and enter a complaint than talk on a forum about it.

I understand there is some merit discussing things on a forum and getting the word out, but I don't think a small company like BRP is willing to wade through posts like Ford or GM do....and I know personally they do.

Personally I don't even know how to contact and input a complaint w/ BRP, I take it maybe there is contact info in our owners manual. But I think that is second to taking it in to your dealer a few times w/ the same complaint and not getting it resolved...before contacting BRP as an unsatisfied customer.

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1 (715) 848-4957 (Consumer)Bombardier Recreational Products, Customer service

 

[SNOOPY]

Thanks :thumbup:

Noted

 

[Pennyrick]

After reading these many pages of posts perhaps Lamont should split this site in two....

One for Spyderlovers and one for Spyder owners.

 

[OldCowboy]

Thousands and thousands of posts are made on hundreds of forums everyday, and not just by Bob D.

I don't know, Snoop. Bob D. probably posts most of them. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

 

[kman]

just what would the power commander do for our bikes. i have looked into them and even put one on my triumph and never noticed a difference. can someone explain how it could help a bike with heat problems, i would think to keep the bike running right it would be built into the software of the ecu

The power commander and Juicebox pro maps richen up the stock fuel mixture and this makes the engine run cooler, IF it was running too lean to begin with.I run an Evo race air filter and Hindle exhaust with the Juicebox Pro.I just recently installed an air fuel ratio gauge to be able to know just what the JB pro is doing.All the maps richen the lower and midrange rpms at the lower throttle settings by 10%.I know when I am cruising this is where I am running on the map settings 4,500 to 5,500 rpms and probably less than 15% throttle position.My a/f ratio is running an average of 13.0-13.2 cruising.In this cooler weather I am only running 3 bars and maybe 4 at stops.Now if the problem Spyders are running too lean say above 15.0 afr this would cause a hotter running engine.Keep in mind I also did the canisterectomy years ago.The easiest way to know if you are running to lean is to check the spark plugs.The best way would be to install an afr gauge.

I would think a reflash of the ecm to richen up the bike would be an easy fix if this was the only problem but there must be more to it than that. Jmho.

 

[SNOOPY]

I don't know, Snoop. Bob D. probably posts most of them. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

Good point, i rescind that part of my statement. :roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

I spend a lot of money on my 2013 RS and have heat issues too. It is basically the same design as the ST so why wouldn't we? I don't post on a lot of the "complaint forums" because people seem to exclude us RS owners. No we did not spend $25,000 but we spent enough to buy damn near any other motorcycle on the market and still choose to get screwed by BRP just like everyone else. Enough of that rant...... As I stated I have a 2013 RS with heat issues also. I have made a couple of mods that have helped the situation, but it still pisses me off that I would spend this kind of money to have an issue that does not seem to be a major concern of BRP.

My memory ain't what it should be... pps: you might just have the first 2013 RS with a heat problem that has been mentioned in here... The problem has been more widely reported with the other models, because it seems to be FAR more prevalent in them.
Or do you have information that I am lacking? :shocked:

 

[Dan McNally]

After reading these many pages of posts perhaps Lamont should split this site in two....

One for Spyderlovers and one for Spyder owners.

Just because I am having heat issues doesn't mean I don't love my Spyder . . . it is the most fun I've had in my 60's . . .

 

[Magdave]

Just because I am having heat issues doesn't mean I don't love my Spyder . . . it is the most fun I've had in my 60's . . .

:agree: And we will find a fix:thumbup: