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Big up to Carlo@BRP, he got my DPS busted spyder back for me

Thanks

:agree:
I've made it pretty easy to make sure your ongoing problem is moved to the front of the line.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14122

If you don't take the time to fill that out and send it to me I guess it's not that big of a deal to you. Those that have seem to have had good results.
:agree:
I had issues on the way home Tues. nite and sent a message to Lamont. Carlo called Thurs. morning.

This is the second time my :f_spider: is going to the shop for steering. This time brp is paying for the trailering and repair, as I feel it is unsafe to drive the 60+ miles one way.

I just :pray: that it doesn't take all January to get it back.
I also :pray: that it is FINALLY fixed this time:shocked:
:banghead:
 
Yes, it really really sucks you have to be in-the-know to get proper service from BRP, but you can't look a gift horse in the mouth. Just take it and keep bitching till the cheap bastards hire a small army of Carlo's to run all of these problems down. Carlo did get my :f_spider: back. Those that haven't called him, should.

What about loaners and maybe some compensation? I am so cheap, I hate the fact I was paying insurance premiums so my bike could sit in the shop for nearly 6 weeks. ;)

Hell, Nissan just sent me a letter and told me they were extending my CVT transmission warranty to 10 years and 120K miles, just because some people expressed concerns. Sux for Nissan's bottom line, but I am pretty damn sure I will buy another vehicle from them because of it.

If your pissed, keep saying so. Maybe something will change.
 
Glad you got your Spyder back and I agree 100% with what you said about them being cheap bastards. And yes, it's no fun paying insurance on something that just sits in a shop during riding season.

Yes, gotta speak up when pissed off about the Spyder..... just like anything else. You invested in something and want it to work properly and get it repaired and returned to you in a timely fashion.

Yes, it really really sucks you have to be in-the-know to get proper service from BRP, but you can't look a gift horse in the mouth. Just take it and keep bitching till the cheap bastards hire a small army of Carlo's to run all of these problems down. Carlo did get my :f_spider: back. Those that haven't called him, should.

What about loaners and maybe some compensation? I am so cheap, I hate the fact I was paying insurance premiums so my bike could sit in the shop for nearly 6 weeks. ;)

Hell, Nissan just sent me a letter and told me they were extending my CVT transmission warranty to 10 years and 120K miles, just because some people expressed concerns. Sux for Nissan's bottom line, but I am pretty damn sure I will buy another vehicle from them because of it.

If your pissed, keep saying so. Maybe something will change.
 
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Sooo, if I bring my vehicle in for service at a 'factory authorized dealer', and I don't write a letter or call a secret number to get extra special consideration, the factory and dealer shortcomings are MY fault?????

It's nice that you guys cut BRP some slack, but where's it stop?:dontknow:

If you look at the main page after you sign in and you will find below the members signed in on the right bottom "Spyder Web" At the top, the FIRST ONE!!! It says "Spyder Customer Support" Click on that and you will see a Big Picture of Lamonster. Next to Lamonster you will find the email address for Spydertechsupport, that's BRP's email address and the 2 out of the three secret phone numbers, you refer to, that you can actually call and get someone on the other end and it may be Carlo. One is in Canada as is Carlo with the 819 area code and the one with the 715 area code is in the USA, that number, I don't know who you will get.:dontknow:

I didn't call, I wrote an email to the address given, that I got an answer from Carlo back over week, after getting my Spyder back repaired with the new dps. He tried to call my cellphone but I got a new contract with a new number and the old one was still on my profile.

After sending Carlo my new number in an email reply, with another concern, I missed his call and called the number on my phone and got Carlo. I saved that number on my cellphone.

Special Consideration!! that you refer to in this post? I didn't get at my dealer. I got the email after getting my Spyder back. Can I help it that my dealer sells other BRP products and has a good service dept? Unlike perhaps yours or anyone else's, that will give excuse after excuse before acting and getting the parts needed.

If I had to wait 6 weeks to 2 months, and didn't take the time to look over the main page to find the contact information, I would do the one thing I see at the top of this site and that's, to read Lamonster's message. I would contact him and than perhaps things would move along but, since only a few have that have posted here, they seem to be happy with the results.

If one chooses to do nothing but take excuse after excuse for weeks and months, from their dealer. Whose fault is it????? BRP's? Carlo's? Your Dealer? or the customer?

If it was Me? I'd blame Me! For taking their excuses. But that's not Me! I only take so much before the :cus: hits the fan and that's for any vehicle, appliance or whatever, I'll find someone that wants my business.
 
Steering feels good and solid so far, the only thing that seems worse is the gas mileage. I was sitting in a lot of traffic and it took me almost 4 hours to do that 110 miles. The result was like 20 mpg. :yikes: My 6 cylinder car is doing 21 mpg.

The ECM recall was also perfromed while it was in jail, so no telling. I will wait and see how it does on open roads before I call the dealer.

Still can not get her out of traffic to see what solid highway gas milage is looking like yet. It has definetly dropped significantly. I am guessing maybe 21-23 highway mpg. :(
 
:agree:with HDX

Lamonster's post and Carlo's effort is effective and very much appreciated, but it is a workaround to a busted support organization.

Im sorry, anyone who beleives this is anything but unacceptable is in denial. I do not hold this against my dealer or Carlo, just BRP. It is a sign of an immature organization.

In general, I feel most owners would be more understanding if BRP were more communicative regarding the issues and the plan for dealing with them. I keep thinking that I need to sell it now as the warranty is up in a few months and I do not feel like I can trust BRP.nojoke
 
Well the best thing we got going for us is our dealer - we TOTALLY trust him. He has taken every single class, he is a gearhead anyway and knows what he's doing. I have no problem bringing the :spyder: there for any type of work it needs. Only problem I have is that sometimes parts take a while to be released to the dealers - I still don't understand why parts take so long. And it puts the dealer in a crummy situation to explain to the customer every time he or she calls that the part still isn't in.

And I am psyched my Spyder works now from a new DPS but nobody ever said what the actual problem was. Lots of speculation but no definitive answer.


:agree:with HDX

Lamonster's post and Carlo's effort is effective and very much appreciated, but it is a workaround to a busted support organization.

Im sorry, anyone who beleives this is anything but unacceptable is in denial. I do not hold this against my dealer or Carlo, just BRP. It is a sign of an immature organization.

In general, I feel most owners would be more understanding if BRP were more communicative regarding the issues and the plan for dealing with them. I keep thinking that I need to sell it now as the warranty is up in a few months and I do not feel like I can trust BRP.nojoke
 
Got a call from my dealer Friday, its time to get busted out. WooHoo!!! Just gotta find the right day to get it with all the holidays going on. Looking forward to riding/miles with no act ups....Will keep updating on how it rides with the new DPS.


Riders with the new DPS, everything still riding smooth on all of yours???? Carlo said that the torque sensor in the old one was causing the lock up feeling....
 
Got a call from my dealer Friday, its time to get busted out. WooHoo!!! Just gotta find the right day to get it with all the holidays going on. Looking forward to riding/miles with no act ups....Will keep updating on how it rides with the new DPS.


Riders with the new DPS, everything still riding smooth on all of yours???? Carlo said that the torque sensor in the old one was causing the lock up feeling....


That would be nice if BRP issues a statement along with a recall, if what you say is correct.
 
That would be nice if BRP issues a statement along with a recall, if what you say is correct.

To the best of my recollection, the torque sensor is an integral part of the steering unit... meaning the entire steering/DPS unit has to be replaced.

Just a little info for you.

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To the best of my recollection, the torque sensor is an integral part of the steering unit... meaning the entire steering/DPS unit has to be replaced.

Just a little info for you.

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I'm not trying to be a smart a$$; but, what's your point?

Maybe I'm wrong; but, it sounds like the current DPS will solve the problem without someone having to go through a steeing scare or possible accident before they change it out. To me that should be a recall, unless they can tell by a vin # that a DPS is okay.
 
No one should have to call anyone or send any emails or letters in order to get professional service from BRP and/or a dealer!!!! :gaah:

If everyone here stopped making excuses for BRP, and instead started holding their feet to the fire, maybe the lack of action and concern would start to change. As long as BRP gets the feeling that their actions(or lack thereof.....) are acceptable to most, why would they feel compelled to change anything?:dontknow:

If you, or anyone else here feels that having to call and email Carlo or Lamonster in order to get routine warranty work performed in a timely fashion is "normal", I'm here to tell you it shouldn't be. Period.

If my Spyder is not being repaired in a reasonable timeframe, BRP AND THEIR AGENT IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE, not me..........

maybe more people should call an attorney instead of Carlo....

edit to add:

Sorry if I come across so negative about all this, but the way I see it, if BRP has no trouble taking REAL $$$$ for their product, then they should be delivering REAL support along with it....

HDX,

Sorry I came across a little sarcastic in this last post and the one before and apparently your dealer along with mine have great service departments, that will contact BRP and order the parts needed to fix the problem, in a timely manner.

But, not all dealers are like ours and some members have not waited days but, weeks and months to get their Spyders back fixed right the first time.

I can't count how many posts I've read from members that have complained, about their routine warranty work and by posting that information as to who to contact, I felt would help them to take another approach, in getting their Spyder back.

I know that in many parts of the country and Canada, riding time is limited by winter weather. If I still lived in CT and my Spyder was sitting at a dealership for weeks and months during the nice weather, I'd be ticked, with not only paying for it but, also paying for insurance.

Sunday morning when I signed on, I found an IM from a member who couldn't find the numbers to call or the email address. Since I saved a few emails from Carlo, I copied and pasted the information, with the numbers and email address to BRP and Carlo, in an IM back to him. Hopefully this will help him in getting his Spyder back, sooner rather than
later.

Many dealers for any vehicle you buy, don't care once they see you drive off the lot. They made their money and if you have problem after problem, do they care? Some do and many don't. So what's the next step, for me it would be contact the corporate head quarters and complain. If I got no action, I'd get an attorney and let him/her deal with them.

I've only had one problem with a dealerships service department and that was a Chevy dealer in Cheshire, CT. I won't get into that, cause it still ticks me off, in how they tried to take advantage of me. But what I did learn from that experience, was not to take a bunch of bull from a dealerships service manager.

The last thing I wanted to do, was start a war of words going back and forth. I posted what I did, to help other members who perhaps didn't know there are other avenues to take, in getting their Spyders back in a timely manner.

If you want to blame BRP, that's fine. But, I have gotten nothing but good service from my dealerships service department. 9 days after they picked up my Spyder with a trailer, I got a call from Leo the service manager as to when am I going to pick this thing up.

Carlo did call me about another concern I had after getting my email with my new phone number and because of a lot of heavy rain and wind here, for the past few weeks. I need to take it in for the second update this week or after Christmas.

Have a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year,

Bum.;)
 
Service is service.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Saturday, 12/19/2009, I took my updated Spyder for a ride. It was a great ride ( 170 miles, temps mid 30's to high 50's ), but on the way back that night, the steering issues I had experienced last month came back. http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15870

  • Monday morning I called my (GREAT!) new Service Department, told them and set up a time to bring in the Spyder.
  • Before taking it in, I dropped an email to Carlo, letting him know the problem was still there.
  • I took the Spyder in early Monday afternoon, the steering issue occurred around 6 times on the way. The Service Department had all the paperwork ready and the Manager gave me a ride home.
  • Tuesday, 12/22/2009, Carlo called me. He had talked to the Service Department - while they were bringing me home - and told me BRP was UPSing a new DPS unit to them - I gather they were having Santa drop it off Christmas Eve - and the shop would get to work on it as soon as they could, given the Holiday. I might get it back Saturday, but it would probably be early next week, if everything goes as planned.

I suppose in a perfect world, I would not be on a first name basis with BRP (Carlo) or my Service Department ( Ellen & Blake ), but since this is Planet Earth 2009, having these people on the problem is the next best thing. They have been polite, concerned, professional, competent and focused on the problem and its resolution. Me too.

I had no confidence in my last Service Department. They were not as bad as some I have seen posted, but I am so glad I have finally found people I can trust to do their best - and continue to earn that trust. Planet Earth 2009 is looking pretty good from here.

Tom
 
...just an update on the DPS replacement, ridiculous gas mileage, and an odd issue I had with electronics.

- So steering has been great for the most part and Wednesday I started having no power steering randomly in low speed turns.
- Then i also had my bike fail to start and all electronics stopped after hitting the ignition switch. I figured it was the main fuse, so I checked it and reseated. Then the bike started up after that.
- This electrical issue and failure of DPS continued from Wed to Sunday until I had enough. Got to dinking around in the garage and noticed that when i hit the ignition I saw an arc from the negative terminal jump to the fuse box. It was repeatable. Hmmmm...that don't look good. On inspection found my negative terminal a little loose and the cables could move around.
So, i ripped the rear of the bike to get at that damn PITA negative terminal nut and cranked it down tight.

Well the arcing stopped, no hesitation when starting and steering is consistently good again. Im an IT guy and i know enough that this was really bad, but not sure how those symptoms came about. Some of you motor heads probably know. I bought second hand and it could be the guy before me, i never noticed it until this weekend.

Gas mileage is sucking bad and I will need to make an appointment soon. I may actually be below 20mpg right now. I had the ECM recall while it was in for the DPS, I may just try to pull the battery cables for a bit as others have recommended and see if it clears up any. I do have fuel smell and sputtering when decel now. I used to get around ~32mpg.
 
#200 went to dealer today

I am going to remain optimistic. Ruby said the steering was acting up. I drove it and couldn't find anything aloof.

Then a few days ago we both rode on it and I experienced what quite a few folks here mentioned concerning the steering. It would lockup and after putting way too much pressure to overcome the lockup, I would veer toward the right. Did not happen to the left,just the right.

I drove it to a dealer today and it pretty much continually acted up the whole way, about a 45 min drive.

Good luck to Deb and Brian! It would be difficult for me to remain patient after that amount of time!
 
I am going to remain optimistic. Ruby said the steering was acting up. I drove it and couldn't find anything aloof.

Then a few days ago we both rode on it and I experienced what quite a few folks here mentioned concerning the steering. It would lockup and after putting way too much pressure to overcome the lockup, I would veer toward the right. Did not happen to the left,just the right.

I drove it to a dealer today and it pretty much continually acted up the whole way, about a 45 min drive.

Good luck to Deb and Brian! It would be difficult for me to remain patient after that amount of time!

Thanks for your support Brad. Hopefully it won't be much longer. Ours isn't even the steering issue. I had my GPS replaced long ago under warranty and haven't had a problem with the steering since. Let's pray it stays that way.
 
Life is good, only a little better, now . . . .

. . . . . just drove my Spyder home from the shop ( really nice people! ). It went in just before Christmas for the steering issue. ( see posting #36 above ). Drove just fine, could not duplicate the steering issue. They, as Carlo promised & delivered, replaced the DPS. It handled a little different - smoother and less sensitive, maybe.

Nobody likes it when things malfunction, but with how everybody worked on this to get me back on the road - I have no complaints.

Tom
 
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