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WTF? Can't find anyone to mount my new Quadtrac tires!
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Tire change
Have you tried Leaders Marine in Kalamazoo, Mi. they seem to be very open minded.
Have you tried Leaders Marine in Kalamazoo, Mi. they seem to be very open minded.
thereverend
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Here in Louisiana, you have the same problem with dealers and at least a 2-hour drive. The last time I had the rear tire changed I loaded it up on the trailer and drove it to two brothers tire repair (it had a flat from a blowout on the Kenda), they changed the tire while on the trailer. Cost was $200. + and it took 2 days)
I will attempt the next one myself even if it takes me all day. I would like to see an UPDATED video on the rear tire change, I have seen the one by Bob Finless but some parts are skipped on the reinstallation adjustments of belt alignment etc. I really like the Vredestein tires.
I will attempt the next one myself even if it takes me all day. I would like to see an UPDATED video on the rear tire change, I have seen the one by Bob Finless but some parts are skipped on the reinstallation adjustments of belt alignment etc. I really like the Vredestein tires.
I found a place to change the rear tire on my 2021 RTL (not a dealer of course), he is 100 miles from me and wanted $150.00+ to do the job! Had him change a tire on my 2020 F3 but the cost has gone up! So took my time and watched all videos I could find and did it myself this week. Took me about 5 hours just taking my time to make sure everything was removed and replaced correctly. Was not a hard job, just need to be willing to give up an afternoon. Cost was $8.00 for mounting new Vredestein rear tire. Doing this all depends on your mechanical ability, right tools and the place out of the weather to work. Was a great learning experience for next time, labor is only going to get higher!
IdahoMtnSpyder
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....... and 160 miles from Toledo, OH! Although that would make for a pretty nice overnight ride I think!
IdahoMtnSpyder
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See my explanation here: https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...ion-on-tires&p=1545171&viewfull=1#post1545171
The question that BlueKnight has asked, and that has not been answered so far, is why HD legally mounts car tires on their trikes at the factory. My speculative answer is in post #24 of that thread.
As you can see in that thread the question about car tires was hashed for 91 posts.
Briorick
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Same here. Had my front Federal Formozas installed & balanced last year with my local Walmart, and TODAY I had my rear tire replaced with the same Walmart. Granted, this appeared to be the first rear tire / rim combo like this they have done, but they did great! And, best of all only $10. :clap: Dealer wanted $55.:yikes:
Juust don't mention them by name please :lecturef_smilie:
Cos we know from experience that if you do that, then for some inexplicable reason it probably won't be all that long before they too start toe-ing the corporate line!?!
. :gaah:
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
I suggest you actually start at post #14 & continue to #25. ..... The most important part of the U.S. DOT regs is that " J " rims MUST be matched with Tires that have " J " BEADS .... There are no other Motorcycle tires that have " J " Beads ( for mounting ) except for the so-called " BRP special mtc. tires from Kenda " ..... are Mtc. rims close to the " J " shape - Yes, but according to US DOT regs using them for Auto tires is patently ILLEGAL,. and any shop mounting them could be SUED into oblivion..... this topic will be argued forever unless BRP relents and also starts using them like Harley Davidson does ...... good luckl .... mike :thumbup:
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CloverHillCrawler
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Thank's and right outside of Philly too where I can swing by and get a CheeseSteak if they will do it.
IGETAROUND
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First remove your wheels yourself from your ride. When doing the rear wheel removal, remove the rear shock bolt which allows the swingarm to drop down further and reduces the tension on the drive belt. Work the drive belt off the rear sprocket, this allows you to remove the rear axle without disturbing the belt adjustment tensioners.
Take all three tires along with your new tires to be mounted to discount tire. DO NOT tell them it's a motorcycle tire, I explain that I have a Morris kit car and have never had any problems with them (Discount tire) refusing to mount my tires. If you tell Discount that these are motorcycle tires, they WILL refuse to participate. PS if you go online and make an appointment then your wait time is minimal!!
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Motorcycledave
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Just go to any tire dealer, Pep Boys, Costco, Big "O" any of them will install them and balance them. Just take in the tires and wheels not the
Spyder. I got mine installed at Costco
IdahoMtnSpyder
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I think several of you must have missed this part of the OP, "don't want to tackle that rear tire install". The suggestion "take the wheel to...." isn't the answer he's looking for.
If the OP is unwilling, or unable, to tackle removing and reinstalling the rear wheel, and can't find a dealer or other m/c shop who will mount the car tire, then probably the next best answer is find a fellow Spyder Ryder who can do it or at least help do it.
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mecsw500
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I know this might not be a popular viewpoint, but I can kind of see a Can Am dealer's point of view in some ways.
1. Can Am had Kendra design the tires around a certain specification, not just for size, but for sidewall rigidity and other factors. This is probably what Can Am used to test and certify their machines with. Fitting a non approved tire is a bit like asking a BMW car dealer to fit a part from NAPA to save money.
2. Unlike most cars, the stability control mechanism is part of the fundamental ability of the Spyder to function safely on the road. If you get into really high performance cars with advanced stability control systems, they too have a very tight specification for tires.
3. Independent tire shops have been fitting car tires for many years to cars and have confidence in the predicted outcome of the tires they fit. Trikes are not something they are familiar with and hence they are less likely to take the owners word for it that what they want to fit is safe.
4. Can Am dealers are probably fearful too of the outcome of non approved tires being fitted. This may be especially true if the owner is mixing brands and types of tires front and back, let alone running car tires at low pressures.
Personally, I have no issue with the idea of running car tires, but even then I would try to run the same brand with the same basic specifications on both front and back. I would not want to run cheap off brand tires up front with a quality name brand tire on the rear. It might seem to be fine, but in an emergency situation, would the stability control system be able to correct sufficiently especially in wet weather? That might be a terrible time to find out that in the limit things are not how they should be performance wise.
I know from past experience, with both cars and motorcycles, mixing tires front and back can have undesirable outcomes. I have replaced rear motorcycle tires with different brands or even just slightly different profiles from stock and promoted all kinds of nasty behaviors especially at speed. This is less likely on trikes with lower top speeds and better lateral grip, but tire shops may think the Can Am looks a lot faster and tire type critical than it probably is.
Most everyday car owners have absolutely no clue about tires and many just want the cheapest option to make their vehicle legal. I suspect many Can Am owners are rather more savvy about their vehicles and tires, but I suspect the dealers see all kinds of levels of knowledge and therefore assume they are dealing with the lowest common denominator.
Is the situation annoying? For sure. Should Can Am have built the machine around a wider variety of available and more reasonably priced car tires? Of course. Did they, nope. I had a Jaguar XF that had tires in a really stupid and very rare size, making snow tires really hard to get, so it's not just linked to Can Am.
I'm not defending Can Am, but they did what they did when designing the machine, so expecting their dealers to take a risk when there is an OEM option available is not entirely reasonable, especially with the smaller dealers who have a lot less capital to defend potential law suits.
I think the onus is on Can Am to step up and certify a greater range of more affordable tire options, but frankly like any niche manufacturer I doubt they will.
Your mileage or opinions may vary, considerably.
1. Can Am had Kendra design the tires around a certain specification, not just for size, but for sidewall rigidity and other factors. This is probably what Can Am used to test and certify their machines with. Fitting a non approved tire is a bit like asking a BMW car dealer to fit a part from NAPA to save money.
2. Unlike most cars, the stability control mechanism is part of the fundamental ability of the Spyder to function safely on the road. If you get into really high performance cars with advanced stability control systems, they too have a very tight specification for tires.
3. Independent tire shops have been fitting car tires for many years to cars and have confidence in the predicted outcome of the tires they fit. Trikes are not something they are familiar with and hence they are less likely to take the owners word for it that what they want to fit is safe.
4. Can Am dealers are probably fearful too of the outcome of non approved tires being fitted. This may be especially true if the owner is mixing brands and types of tires front and back, let alone running car tires at low pressures.
Personally, I have no issue with the idea of running car tires, but even then I would try to run the same brand with the same basic specifications on both front and back. I would not want to run cheap off brand tires up front with a quality name brand tire on the rear. It might seem to be fine, but in an emergency situation, would the stability control system be able to correct sufficiently especially in wet weather? That might be a terrible time to find out that in the limit things are not how they should be performance wise.
I know from past experience, with both cars and motorcycles, mixing tires front and back can have undesirable outcomes. I have replaced rear motorcycle tires with different brands or even just slightly different profiles from stock and promoted all kinds of nasty behaviors especially at speed. This is less likely on trikes with lower top speeds and better lateral grip, but tire shops may think the Can Am looks a lot faster and tire type critical than it probably is.
Most everyday car owners have absolutely no clue about tires and many just want the cheapest option to make their vehicle legal. I suspect many Can Am owners are rather more savvy about their vehicles and tires, but I suspect the dealers see all kinds of levels of knowledge and therefore assume they are dealing with the lowest common denominator.
Is the situation annoying? For sure. Should Can Am have built the machine around a wider variety of available and more reasonably priced car tires? Of course. Did they, nope. I had a Jaguar XF that had tires in a really stupid and very rare size, making snow tires really hard to get, so it's not just linked to Can Am.
I'm not defending Can Am, but they did what they did when designing the machine, so expecting their dealers to take a risk when there is an OEM option available is not entirely reasonable, especially with the smaller dealers who have a lot less capital to defend potential law suits.
I think the onus is on Can Am to step up and certify a greater range of more affordable tire options, but frankly like any niche manufacturer I doubt they will.
Your mileage or opinions may vary, considerably.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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I did a whole bunch of Googling yesterday trying to find answers to the question of Harley Davidson using car tires on their trikes. The best I could come up with is Dunlop has been their sole supplier for all their tires since the '80s. Apparently HD dealers won't, as a rule, install anything other than a Dunlop on a HD motorcycle. The rear tires on the trikes, as Mike has said several times, are car tires as indicated by the 'P' at the beginning of the size number. I really think Dunlop and HD have gone through the hoops to get official NHTSA blessing for those tires to be used on the trike. And from what I find, the Harley-Davidson name is on the tire. That is most likely a deterrent to any casual car owner putting HD tires on their car! And in an HD forum, the owners have just as many complaints about the poor quality of the OEM Dunlops as we do about the Kendas. In fact they are referred to as "Duncraps"!
So, we Spyder Ryders are right in there with one of the largest owner groups in the country with our frustration with tires!
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
To re-but #2 .- There once was a member on this forum who was possibly the smartest Spyder owner EVER, and they swore the computer that controlled the STABILITY function could Actually tell if you didn't have Kenda tires on your Spyder. :gaah: think about that for a moment ^^^^^^ ... if this could be so, then how or why are you able to re-place any tire on any car / trk with any tire ( that is similar in size.) ????? ..... They had no answer for that either..... To re-but / answer #1.- ...LOW BIDDER - period .... BRP launched the Spyder line on a " shoe-string " .... long, long go it was widely reported that Sen Mitt Romney & wife put enough money into the project that BRP was able to do it. ...... Mike :thumbup:
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