308gunner
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awesome....and what makes it nice...the upgrade is easy to do....and inexpensive...this is how the spyder should come fom the factory....enjoy your new ride.
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Have you had an ECU Flash? How long did it take? Any good?
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awesome....and what makes it nice...the upgrade is easy to do....and inexpensive...this is how the spyder should come fom the factory....enjoy your new ride.
With my 2013 RTL & the 998 V-Twin motor, I've found that if I can restrain myself enough to do some steady cruising, I can actually get significantly better fuel economy than ever before...
hyea: But I must admit that I do find that restraint juuust a little hard to come by 
and I have exactly the same issue with the rear tire once I start twisting that throttle hard!! :shocked:
EricP
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So I rode 306 miles on Saturday, and I must say I really love this tune. Fuel economy feels about the same now that I've ridden it a good bit. Sure is a kick in the pants when you want. I do agree this is how it should have come from the factory, but given that the typical Spyder rider isn't riding a Spyder how we ride, they likely wouldn't appreciate the tune if it had come from factory....sometimes it's a bit "scary" (in the good way) at how much power was really hidden in this thing.
308gunner
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Now you have....THE FUN FACTOR!!!..you have BOTH the power and the handling..the elka shocks and lamonster sway bar....just wait till summer...fun time!!... Oh heck...you're having fun now!!
I've been researching the ECU flash options for my '20 RTL. Here's some info that I've gotten along the way. Dyno Jet only has a application listing up to 2019 and not very many tune options for the Power Vision. Here is an email I received today from Dyno Jet...
Thanks for the inquiry. The PV3 does have the ability to work on this model but we have not seen a stock file from this ECU so more than likely we need to get an ECU in hand before can add support. I can't say with 100% confidence unless you had a PV3 to connect to your vehicle and get me some data.
We also only have stock improved files for the Spyder line at this time. Thanks.
I also contacted Monster FI about my '20 model year. I was concerned that a dealership could detect if the ECU was updated....
Dealer cannot plug in and know anything.
Except if they ride it. Or because the ecu stores max rpm, if you choose a flash with max rpm above that, they may see that.
As for warranty, depends on dealer. Some don't care what you do. Some don't even like tire changes or muffler changes.
One thing is that any warranty denial needs to be related to engine tuning. Brakes, leaks, steering etc (most warranty issues) have nothing to do with ecu or engine tuning.
If the dealer ever over writes the ecu, it's free to have me reflash it.
An option for you is our $350 usd handheld. It allows you to flash between stock and tuned, anytime you want. Just put it back stock before going to dealer.
. I already have a RLS decat and muffler on the RT. I'll have the stage 2 flash done .
I have reached out to Wick-it Performance but haven't heard back yet. I'd like to keep my ECU in the US, concerned about shipping delays and such with all the Covid-19 stuff going on,
although the guys at MFI say they haven't seen much change in shipping times yet.
Thanks for the inquiry. The PV3 does have the ability to work on this model but we have not seen a stock file from this ECU so more than likely we need to get an ECU in hand before can add support. I can't say with 100% confidence unless you had a PV3 to connect to your vehicle and get me some data.
We also only have stock improved files for the Spyder line at this time. Thanks.
I also contacted Monster FI about my '20 model year. I was concerned that a dealership could detect if the ECU was updated....
Dealer cannot plug in and know anything.
Except if they ride it. Or because the ecu stores max rpm, if you choose a flash with max rpm above that, they may see that.
As for warranty, depends on dealer. Some don't care what you do. Some don't even like tire changes or muffler changes.
One thing is that any warranty denial needs to be related to engine tuning. Brakes, leaks, steering etc (most warranty issues) have nothing to do with ecu or engine tuning.
If the dealer ever over writes the ecu, it's free to have me reflash it.
An option for you is our $350 usd handheld. It allows you to flash between stock and tuned, anytime you want. Just put it back stock before going to dealer.
. I already have a RLS decat and muffler on the RT. I'll have the stage 2 flash done .
I have reached out to Wick-it Performance but haven't heard back yet. I'd like to keep my ECU in the US, concerned about shipping delays and such with all the Covid-19 stuff going on,
although the guys at MFI say they haven't seen much change in shipping times yet.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
The info you received fro Dyno-Jet is more than likely a CYA response ..... the 20 1330 engine and ECU are the same as the 19 -18-17-16-15-14 for all models with that engine..... Monster was first so I say go with them ..... Mike :thumbup:
I got an answer back from Wick-it Performance. They are marginally higher priced than MFI ($35). Factoring in the shipping round trip to MFI, not sure which way I'll go just yet.
are the flash updates the same between the two? I thought I had seen someplace that they were the same flashes.
are the flash updates the same between the two? I thought I had seen someplace that they were the same flashes.
308gunner
Member
they are the same..go to wick it in Louisiana...keep it in the U.S.
Dennis in Lodi
Member
This is a fact!!! Wick-it opens the ECU, copies and sends the files to Monster fuel who sends back the files to wick-it to install and close up the ECU. To risky mailing to Canada. If it gets stopped in customs because back logs or worst yet, it gets lost?
I am seriously thinking about getting this done to my 14 STS but am torn on which setup to get. I am not a racer but need the extra power for riding two up and eventually trailering. From what I gathered so far from both Monster and Wick-It is the following:
1. Stage 2 gains more torque below 5000 rpm (in fact more torque from 3000-700)
2. Stage 1 is quieter
3. Stage 2 adds power over 1 from idle to redline at all throttle positions
4. They both give better fuel efficiency due more power to cruise or maintain a speed at a lower rpm, which will use less throttle opening (whrn running under 45% throttle)
5. Stage 2 with the power gains you can shift gears between 4000-5000
6. Stage 2 is good for riding 2 up
7. Juicebox and Power Commander not in the same league as Stage 2 but are more comparable to Stage 1
8. Handheld not available for 998s yet and the cost is $350 plus the maps Stage 1 $350 Stage 2 $500
1. Stage 2 gains more torque below 5000 rpm (in fact more torque from 3000-700)
2. Stage 1 is quieter
3. Stage 2 adds power over 1 from idle to redline at all throttle positions
4. They both give better fuel efficiency due more power to cruise or maintain a speed at a lower rpm, which will use less throttle opening (whrn running under 45% throttle)
5. Stage 2 with the power gains you can shift gears between 4000-5000
6. Stage 2 is good for riding 2 up
7. Juicebox and Power Commander not in the same league as Stage 2 but are more comparable to Stage 1
8. Handheld not available for 998s yet and the cost is $350 plus the maps Stage 1 $350 Stage 2 $500
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
IMHO, from actual towing ..... I'd get the stage 2 ..... when towing you will be going slower than in normal riding ..... good luck ..... Mike :thumbup:
troop
Well-known member
"7. Juicebox and Power Commander not in the same league as Stage 2 but are more comparable to Stage 1"
Actually, Power Vision 3 has more than enough capability to make a tune as well as the Stage 2 Monster. Just not an adequate amount of dyno's around to fully tune a Spyder with a PV3.
Actually, Power Vision 3 has more than enough capability to make a tune as well as the Stage 2 Monster. Just not an adequate amount of dyno's around to fully tune a Spyder with a PV3.
308gunner
Member
Hey did you ever get around to installing your Dynojet?
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