rustynail51
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crazycanuck
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There have been many, many tax breaks for business owners written into the law over the decades, that's true.
Bob Denman
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The business owners have taken the risks: they SHOULD reap the rewards.
If you disagree: take your life savings, and go start a business; then fell free to come back and tell us what you think. nojoke
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BajaRon
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'Say it ain't so, Joe!'
Corporations do not pay taxes. They do not pay wages to their employees, they do not pay their suppliers or outside contractors, and they do not pay their shippers either (there is no such thing as 'Free Shipping'). Corporations, and business in general, simply collect funds from the customer (where else are they going to get it?), and distribute these funds to the various entities as required. Taxes are simply another expense which has to be accounted for and passed on to the customer.
Yes, it is true that corporations APPEAR to pay all of these. But in the case of taxes, it's just a paper shuffle (and a very expensive one at that).
Think about it. Where you work, who pays your wages? Your employer hands you the money. But where did they get it? Unless your company has a money printing machine in the back room (like the government does), that money came from the customer. All of it.
This fiction that corporations pay taxes is promoted by many at the revenue receiving end because it hides the true tax rate that we are all paying.
Take gasoline, for example. We all know that BIG OIL spends every waking moment trying to figure out new ways to gouge the customer. And yet the average profit on a gallon of gasoline is about $0.04! While the government receives about 10 times this amount for each gallon just in additional taxes (not including sales tax).
Yep! There is only 1 revenue source. And that source pays for every expense including ALL taxes 'paid' by Exxon, Mobil, whatever. When you add it all up, we really do not know what a gallon of gasoline actually costs. And that's the way government likes it.
If you really want a headache, consider this. Every company or entity involved in the production of our fuel 'pays' tax. From the seed producer to the farmer to the equipment manufacturing company to the transport providers. All passing their individual tax burden on to the next 'buyer' in the product chain. This is tax upon tax which all ends up being paid by the end user. That is you and me.
Just like every other expense, business tries to reduce the tax burden to remain competitive while still turning a profit.
If a business needs a 10% profit margin to remain viable, they set the price of their product to whatever it needs to be to end up with 10% free and clear after ALL expenses are paid (including taxes). Who pays this additional amount to cover the tax expense? The customer, of course. If the company charges too much, then they go out of business. But the same thing will happen if they don't or can't charge enough and end up with too little profit, or no profit at all.
Corporations do not pay taxes. They do not pay wages to their employees, they do not pay their suppliers or outside contractors, and they do not pay their shippers either (there is no such thing as 'Free Shipping'). Corporations, and business in general, simply collect funds from the customer (where else are they going to get it?), and distribute these funds to the various entities as required. Taxes are simply another expense which has to be accounted for and passed on to the customer.
Yes, it is true that corporations APPEAR to pay all of these. But in the case of taxes, it's just a paper shuffle (and a very expensive one at that).
Think about it. Where you work, who pays your wages? Your employer hands you the money. But where did they get it? Unless your company has a money printing machine in the back room (like the government does), that money came from the customer. All of it.
This fiction that corporations pay taxes is promoted by many at the revenue receiving end because it hides the true tax rate that we are all paying.
Take gasoline, for example. We all know that BIG OIL spends every waking moment trying to figure out new ways to gouge the customer. And yet the average profit on a gallon of gasoline is about $0.04! While the government receives about 10 times this amount for each gallon just in additional taxes (not including sales tax).
Yep! There is only 1 revenue source. And that source pays for every expense including ALL taxes 'paid' by Exxon, Mobil, whatever. When you add it all up, we really do not know what a gallon of gasoline actually costs. And that's the way government likes it.
If you really want a headache, consider this. Every company or entity involved in the production of our fuel 'pays' tax. From the seed producer to the farmer to the equipment manufacturing company to the transport providers. All passing their individual tax burden on to the next 'buyer' in the product chain. This is tax upon tax which all ends up being paid by the end user. That is you and me.
Just like every other expense, business tries to reduce the tax burden to remain competitive while still turning a profit.
If a business needs a 10% profit margin to remain viable, they set the price of their product to whatever it needs to be to end up with 10% free and clear after ALL expenses are paid (including taxes). Who pays this additional amount to cover the tax expense? The customer, of course. If the company charges too much, then they go out of business. But the same thing will happen if they don't or can't charge enough and end up with too little profit, or no profit at all.
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missouriboy
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Yup, I like this statement, and agree with it.
I snipped that last line because it's political opinion, so I'll stay neutral on that, but endorse the first part. Thanks for posting!
Fat Baxter
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In an earlier post on this thread I mentioned that there is significant push-back that "the consensus is settled" due to manipulation of data in many of the studies regarding climate change: FWIW, here's one recent update:
"Report: 485 Scientific Papers Published in 2017 Undermine Supposed 'Consensus' on Climate Change"
A broad survey of climate change literature for 2017 reveals that the alleged “consensus” behind the dangers of anthropogenic global warming is not nearly as settled among climate scientists as people imagine.
Author Kenneth Richard found that during the course of the year 2017, at least 485 scientific papers were published that in some way questioned the supposed consensus regarding the perils of human CO2 emissions or the efficacy of climate models to predict the future.
According to Richard’s analysis, the 485 new papers underscore the “significant limitations and uncertainties inherent in our understanding of climate and climate changes,” which in turn suggests that climate science is not nearly as settled as media reports and some policymakers would have people believe.
"Report: 485 Scientific Papers Published in 2017 Undermine Supposed 'Consensus' on Climate Change"
A broad survey of climate change literature for 2017 reveals that the alleged “consensus” behind the dangers of anthropogenic global warming is not nearly as settled among climate scientists as people imagine.
Author Kenneth Richard found that during the course of the year 2017, at least 485 scientific papers were published that in some way questioned the supposed consensus regarding the perils of human CO2 emissions or the efficacy of climate models to predict the future.
According to Richard’s analysis, the 485 new papers underscore the “significant limitations and uncertainties inherent in our understanding of climate and climate changes,” which in turn suggests that climate science is not nearly as settled as media reports and some policymakers would have people believe.
Bob Denman
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Easy Rider
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And now YOUR political leanings are showing.
Taking more taxes from those who benefit most from the "system" and make gobs of money is NOT stealing.
And more often than you seem to think, hard work, determination and the will to "exceed" (sic) gets you pretty much NOTHING.
Bob Denman
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rustynail51
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You read far more into my statement than necessary. I admire small business owners they are willing to sacrifice a lot to to achieve their rewards I have many friends who own businesses I know how hard they work. I just stated that there are tax advantages for business owners that people who work for a salary don't have. Small businesses are the back bone of our economy as they grow they hire employees and buy equipment to expand putting more people to work to supply their needs and they should have the ability to deduct expenses and depreciate equipment. Please don't criticize those who have chosen a different avenues to make a living,they aren't lazy and don't lack ambition, with out people to do the work a lot of small operations would not be able to flourish and become successful. i worked hard all my life from my early days on the farm and and in factories and almost thirty years in facilities maintenance. everyone from the business owner to the employee contributes to the success of this country and all I want is everybody to pay their fair share and be responsible citizens.
crazycanuck
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Uncle Bob owns his own business 
Easy Rider
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Just exactly what motivates you to make a nasty comment like that ??
I do not fall in that category myself but do know many that DO.
And for most of them it is NOT from lack of trying.
Bob Denman
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Bob Denman
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Yeah... I can't shovel the money into the furnace fast enough! :roflblack:It's starting to pile up in the back yard, and the birds have all lined their bests with hundred dollar bills! :joke:
Bob Denman
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I think that it's too late for "is turning"...
"Turned"; might be more accurate. :banghead:
"Turned"; might be more accurate. :banghead:
crazycanuck
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someone flush the toilet 
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