Who is right about oil flow in engine?

[aka1004]

I always thought and was told that once spyder engine is stopped oil will flow into reservoir and that's why we wait couple of minutes before checking oil level but mechanic at dealer where my spyder currently sitting right now, engine was rebuilt, been in the shop since february just got it out last Saturday but engine blew up only after 17 miles and have been towed back to dealer.... Spark plug's tip was blown off or crushed by piston. It looked like broken bolt basically and there was no oil in reservoir.

Anywho, mechanic here is telling me oil would flow back to engine when engine is shut off and that's why there is no oil in my reservoir and you check oil level immediately when engine is shut down. :dontknow:

 

[lonnibdd]

I was always told to check after hot and idle 30 sec. thats so all oil levels out everywhere. Then check it right away you only get about 2 good checks on it before you start to get false readings. thats why a lot of people were overfilling from checkin cold or not properly following guidelines. :dontknow: Has always worked for me.

 

[Y Rider]

Wow. That's really bad news. Hope it doesn't take another 4 months for the repair again.

 

[Donzo]

It has a remote sump - many bikes have the oil sump at the base of the motor....but, after the oil goes through the motor it is pumped back into the remote sump and recirculated. It should not read significantly low....sounds like someone may not have put oil in??:shocked:

 

[aka1004]

Wow. That's really bad news. Hope it doesn't take another 4 months for the repair again.

Tell me about it...
Spyder went in the shop in September for main shaft replacement and dps got it back in February, rode it 8 days, all kinda fault light and engine locks up, goes back in shop for engine rebuild, just got it out last saturday, rode it 17 miles, a lot smoke and oil spewing out of muffler and engine locks up, I checked oil and there is none and spark plug looks like broken bolt.

 

[WackyDan]

Tell me about it...
Spyder went in the shop in September for main shaft replacement and dps got it back in February, rode it 8 days, all kinda fault light and engine locks up, goes back in shop for engine rebuild, just got it out last saturday, rode it 17 miles, a lot smoke and oil spewing out of muffler and engine locks up, I checked oil and there is none and spark plug looks like broken bolt.

Did you check the oil at all before hand?

 

[aka1004]

Did you check the oil at all before hand?

I guess I should have but you would think filling oil will be on top of the list after engine rebuild plus I was way beyond exited to get spyder back so I checked underneath for oil leakage than took off.

They had put 14 miles and I put 17 for total of 31.

 

[Lamonster]

Anywho, mechanic here is telling me oil would flow back to engine when engine is shut off and that's why there is no oil in my reservoir and you check oil level immediately when engine is shut down. :dontknow:

Your mec is correct as far as the oil flowing back to the motor. If you're banging sparkplugs on the top of pistons you got other problems not related to oil.

 

[boborgera]

Your mec is correct as far as the oil flowing back to the motor. If you're banging sparkplugs on the top of pistons you got other problems not related to oil.

:agree:The piston not supposed to go that high, broken wrist pin?

 

[SpyderWolf]

Dang! I am very sorry to hear this as I know how excited you must have been to be getting your Spyder back. Sounds like somebody made a big mistake during the rebuild. :gaah:

I sure hope they don't take another 4 months to fix this issue as well. Best of luck with it.

 

[Firefly]

Sorry for your troubles. If dealer rebuilt twice and failed twice-- someone doesn't know how to do a proper rebuild! Time for a new engine.

In my opinion BRP should be doing engine swaps one these cases of shaft failure.

They install new engine, take yours back to HQ and rebuild it to factory spec by factory techs and then swap that for the next guy and so on---- a rebuild exchange program. That way we would know that the engine rebuilds are being done RIGHT.

 

[aka1004]

I've had it.
Question is, trade it in for another spyder or Honda vfr1200 or cbr600...
:cus: I just bought brp hid, rt shocks and other crap too which I didnt even get to install...

This spyder has given me so much problem from day3.

 

[cyclekat]

I was always told to check after hot and idle 30 sec. thats so all oil levels out everywhere. Then check it right away you only get about 2 good checks on it before you start to get false readings. thats why a lot of people were overfilling from checkin cold or not properly following guidelines. :dontknow: Has always worked for me.

:agree:I was told the same thing as you and that is the advice I've followed for the last 21 years.

 

[bruiser]

:agree:I was told the same thing as you and that is the advice I've followed for the last 21 years.

It's in the manual.

 

[aka1004]

4 spyder mech/service writer told me to wait 1or 2 minutes after engine stops before I check oil level to let the oil drain out of engine...

 

[NancysToy]

4 spyder mech/service writer told me to wait 1or 2 minutes after engine stops before I check oil level to let the oil drain out of engine...

:hun: The engine sump is lower than the oil tank. Last thing I remember, gravity worked downwards instead of up. In a dry sump system oil should be checked shortly after turning the engine off, unless the manufacturer specifies otherwise. There is a check valve in the system to prevent the oil from draining fromn the tank into the sump of the engine (wet-sumping), but these usually leak by a bit, so some oil escapes in time. Use the method specified by the manufacturer. For the Spyder, that is within 30 seconds of shutting the engine off.

 

[aka1004]

Well that was what I was told by every mech/service writer since i got the spyder till I spoke with this one. I have never done even a oil change before I got my spyder so I had no idea what dry sump was. I only went by what I was told by people who were supposed to know this stuff, aka spyder mechanics/service writers.

 

[NancysToy]

Well that was what I was told by every mech/service writer since i got the spyder till I spoke with this one. I have never done even a oil change before I got my spyder so I had no idea what dry sump was. I only went by what I was told by people who were supposed to know this stuff, aka spyder mechanics/service writers.

In this case, with conflicting information, the manual is your friend.