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Which Gas to use?? 2013 STS 998 V Twin
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safecracker
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As others have posted, the 998 will run just fine on 87. Thats all i use. 72,000 miles and counting.
bigbadbrucie
New member
What does your manual say? The 1330 manual recommends 92 octane. I have used 87 octane in a pinch, and didn’t notice any difference, but the engineers who designed this engine are a hell of a lot smarter than I am.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
:agree: X's 10 .... annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd if it's Ethanol free it's even better ... My 08 GS and 11 RSS ( both Vtwins ) ran fine on 87 oct. .... My 130 has had over 45,000 troble fre miles on 87 also ...... Mike :thumbup:
shakin_jake
Member
New Ryker Rally owner here, just turned 600 miles on the odometer. Manual says run the good <$$$> stuff, and I religiously have but I am going to try the lowest octane in our area next fill up and see if it makes any difference. That said, I still ride my 2013 Vespa GTS and the fuel spec is the good stuff (highest octane) and it needs it for the type of riding I do with it (WOT) on the interstate as I found if I run the least octane, I don't have the top end. Yeah, power on top just isn't there if I run 87octane, and as mentioned, when I ride my Vespa GTS, I'm always using I-75 and ifIm not running the good stuff, top end (indicated 90 MPH, which is likely 84 MPH) is way down
Another motorcycle I had that spec' d high octane was a Y2K Moto Guzzi V11 Sport. Not only did I have to run 92/93octane, but in our area, I found the best high octane was Standard Oil. I'm not kidding when I say this but if I bought high octane from any other fuel station, that motor was way down on power on top. I was a real nutter riding that bike. I'm not kidding when Imsay this too but I would routinely run it on open deserted roads, peg the throttle in 4th gear and wait for the rev limiter to cut juice, then I upshifted into 5th all the while keeping the throttle pegged, wait for the rev limiter to shut it down again then keeping it pegged, up shift into 6th. By that time the speedometer read 130 and even me, I had to let go of the throttle eventually. That bike/motor was unreal to ride. It had the B-10 cams, big tube headers from the factory. I knew if I didn't sell it and quick (I bought it new), I would die riding it. Sorry, but I digress, we were talking about fuel for the Can Am motors
The way I ride my Ryker (so far), I just don't see myself exploring. WOT with it so I have an idea regular grade fuel in it will be just fine
Another motorcycle I had that spec' d high octane was a Y2K Moto Guzzi V11 Sport. Not only did I have to run 92/93octane, but in our area, I found the best high octane was Standard Oil. I'm not kidding when I say this but if I bought high octane from any other fuel station, that motor was way down on power on top. I was a real nutter riding that bike. I'm not kidding when Imsay this too but I would routinely run it on open deserted roads, peg the throttle in 4th gear and wait for the rev limiter to cut juice, then I upshifted into 5th all the while keeping the throttle pegged, wait for the rev limiter to shut it down again then keeping it pegged, up shift into 6th. By that time the speedometer read 130 and even me, I had to let go of the throttle eventually. That bike/motor was unreal to ride. It had the B-10 cams, big tube headers from the factory. I knew if I didn't sell it and quick (I bought it new), I would die riding it. Sorry, but I digress, we were talking about fuel for the Can Am motors
The way I ride my Ryker (so far), I just don't see myself exploring. WOT with it so I have an idea regular grade fuel in it will be just fine
Mazo EMS2
Active member
The key to gas is to use FRESH gas. The Spyder will run fine on any fuel, 87 or above but of course there is always a chance of the ethanol fuels going through phaze separation IF IT SITS TOO LONG. If you're using a "high traffic" gas station, you'll be fine with 87 or whatever they have. Now, if you're out in the middle of nowhere, and all they have is elevated barrels of gas, you might be better off pushing the bike to the next stop. Personally I use pure gas when possible, and in WI it's pretty common due to variety of powersports up here. But I have used 87 with 10% ethanol too with no issues. Ride more, worry less:yes:
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
RE: remote gas station with elevated barrels of gas...Been there and done that. Chitina Alaska, on the road to McCarthy...you may have seen that town and the characters on another AK fake reality show. :roflblack: :roflblack:
They had one grade...87. AK does not add ethanol though. Many there were using the barrels. A captive audience with no other place to go. Took about four gallons each and headed back to civilization (another 100 miles or so), where we topped off the tanks again.
No issues or problems....but felt lucky when it was over.
carbonation
New member
Several threads on this topic.
I still recommend Premium, from a high volume station, and top tier.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Time for a new round of discussion. It's been a little while. Lots of new people coming on daily, and I can't believe all the previous members coming back for another look. Everyone's advice is welcome on the subject. 
opcorn:
:welcome: to both groups. :yes:
opcorn::welcome: to both groups. :yes:
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
:agree:,........ However her in Vt. the difference btwn. 87 and 91 is around .75 ..... that's $ 6.75 for 5 gals .... that's not pocket change to me .....Mike :thumbup:
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
If you read your manual carefully, I'll bet the term BRP uses for gas is .... RECOMMENDED .... and I don't know how old your other bikes mentioned are, but I'll bet the Fuel management system was made to adjust the Spark to prevent KNOCK ..... All Spyders are and I'm pretty sure the Rykers are too ...... jmho ..... Mike :thumbup:
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
Probably because it wasn't FRESH ..... common issue ..... Mike :thumbup:...........PS, gas is rated by different methods around the world ......
IdahoMtnSpyder
Active member
That's because Russia and Europe use Research Octane Number, the lowest being 92. Another major rating is Motor Octane Number. The US uses Anti-Knock Index which is (RON + MON)/2 which gives lower numbers than RON.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Like a few others, I have been a user of 87 octane for about five years now. In AK, there was no ethanol added. In AR, there is 10% ethanol.
I have noticed NO performance issues compared to when I ran 90 (the highest octane available in AK). Ethanol is also not an issue for me, because there is no winter layup. The bikes and car are driven at least a couple times a week, the bikes more of course.
$$ wise: in AK...premium was always 20 cents a gallon higher. In AR, there is about a 40 cent difference. Cost has NEVER been a factor for me in the choice between premium or regular.
I get good performance with 87/10% ethanol...no reason, IMO, to go premium.
My .02
I have noticed NO performance issues compared to when I ran 90 (the highest octane available in AK). Ethanol is also not an issue for me, because there is no winter layup. The bikes and car are driven at least a couple times a week, the bikes more of course.
$$ wise: in AK...premium was always 20 cents a gallon higher. In AR, there is about a 40 cent difference. Cost has NEVER been a factor for me in the choice between premium or regular.
I get good performance with 87/10% ethanol...no reason, IMO, to go premium.
My .02
shakin_jake
Member
~~~not picking on you Mike, I did mention the year each was manufactured. The Guzzi was sold and titled in the year 2000. I used the acronym Y2K, and although that was 20 years ago, it was a pretty common acronym in useage. BTW, the Guzzi heads are hemispherical, hence the need for super premium fuel. There was no fuel management hack to deal with sub par fuel, and same with the 2013 Vespa (also previously stated, the year), in that the fuel system will not adjust for octane dificencies. BTW2, the Vespa is a blast to ride on the interstate. Although only 300 cc's (single cylinder, single overhead cam), it really will rip along at an indicated 90 MPH which is likely a real 83 MPH. The windscreen I fitted allows me to sit upright and hit those speeds w/nary a hitch. If it wasn't for the electronic governor cutting power at the top RPM's, I have an idea it would easily run at a real 90 MPH, but who knows how long the motor would last. There's a good reason the power cuts off electronically, to save the motor no doubt
I need to mention the last fill up I used 87 octane for the first time. Seat of the pants tells me the lack of octane made for a more muted roll on acceleration. It still flys once it gets going but I can discern the difference in octane. That said, for the riding I do, I don't think using 87 octane regularly would be a deal breaker for me. I've only run 60 miles on this fuel so far but there is still plenty of performance using/running the lower octane fuel, and I did like the fact I only laid out 8 dollars and change for a fill up vs. the $12 I'm used to running hi octane. Me thinks those 4 dollars are better spent as beer money=
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