What type of gas does everyone use

[jcthorne]

I Like my Arai helmet with its great sounding SENA headset and spiffy blue diamond color that matches my bike well.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAT

time this question is asked.

Why would anyone spend 30K for something and not use the fuel that the Mfg. recommends?

:agree:........And lets add ..............Why would anyone " FARKLE " a Spyder , or put on Ron's sway bar, or change out the plug wires on the 998 engine or do a " CAT " delete .....because there are people who stretch the limits ...........................That's why the " WRIGHT BROS " were at Kitty Hawk ....................Hope this answers your question......Mike :thumbup:

 

[Bob Denman]

HJC IS-MAX. But the visor makes all sorts of noise in the wind... :shocked: It creaks, squeaks, rattles and groans... would a dab of Vaseline on the pivot points help; or is that a petrochemical "No-no"?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

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​AND LETS HIGHJACK THIS THREAD AND END ALL INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE AND TALK ABOUT THE MOST INANE THINGS IMAGINABLE........................SORRY ( MAGDAVE ) ......but at least I skipped the Iconning thing.......Mike

 

[Bob Denman]

That's why the " WRIGHT BROS " were at Kitty Hawk ....................Hope this answers your question......Mike :thumbup:

I thought that they went there for the beer and the surfing... :shocked:

Then; they heard this song playing during one of the "Beer Bashes", and the TSA was created to make us all miserable! :roflblack:

 

[Flanker]

If only; we could capture and use the emissions of politicians during the run up to the elections. Plentiful and cheap!

Uuhhh.............................oh, yea.........................................93 octane.

 

[Dgjason]

​AND LETS HIGHJACK THIS THREAD AND END ALL INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE AND TALK ABOUT THE MOST INANE THINGS IMAGINABLE........................SORRY ( MAGDAVE ) ......but at least I skipped the Iconning thing.......Mike

Stop yelling...you're hurting my eyes..:shocked:

 

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: I think that we're all getting cranky; waiting for this entire, "2015 thing", to be unleashed!

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

i don't know gasoline but i do know this:

Dilithium is an extremely hard crystalline mineral that occurs naturally on some planets. When placed in a high-frequency electromagnetic field, magnetic eddies are induced in its structure which keep charged particles away from the crystal lattice. This prevents it from reacting with antimatter when so energized, because the antimatter particles never actually touch it. Therefore, it is used to contain and regulate the annihilation reaction of matter and antimatter in a starship's warp core(can not currently be used in a :spyder2, which otherwise would explode from the uncontrolled annihilation reaction. Though low-quality artificial crystals can be grown or replicated, they are limited in the power of the reaction they can regulate without fragmenting, and are therefore largely unsuitable for warp drive applications. Due to the need for natural dilithium crystals for interstellar travel, deposits of this material are, much like oil, a highly contested resource.

Dilithium's chemical symbol is Dt, its atomic weight is 87 and it is a member of the hypersonic series of elements, according to a periodic table graphic.

 

[Bob Denman]

 

[Dgjason]

Thanks Bob, enjoyed that. Great old memories. :clap: And just filled up with 93 octane.

 

[Bob Denman]

 

[WackyDan]

87 mostly. The GS doesn't call for anything more. I'll occasionally put 93 in when it is cheap enough. Haven't noticed a difference at all.

I do make it a point to buy ethanol free gas when I can find it... I do notice slightly better mileage from it.

 

[Bfromla]

Last month all @93 avg 30mpg fyi best ever was @37mpg i use gas cubby app , handy info,& only few min to fill in @pump.


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[lightnin leeRoy]

I put slightly over 7K on my '12 RT S, since I upgraded this year, I put just over 3K on my '14 RT L, I usually fill up with 87 octane and enjoy the performance and the mileage. My mpg is typically 37.

 

[PMK]

...........................................................................I think I did the test correctly.....When I purchased the bike in Ill. ,I drove it home approx. 1300 mi. and ONLY used 91 and / or above Octane for that mileage.........I then dropped down to 89 Octane and didn't notice any difference for another 1000 mi.or so .....then I asked my mechanic/ best friend ( Andy ) the " what if question " about the octane thing .......He told me in order to get an accurate assessment on the 87 octane thing .....either flush the system of gas ...or run 4 or 5 tankfuls of 87 thru the system. We didn't want to know what the engine would do on 88 octane ........And as I said earlier if was racing this Spyder I would absolutely be using 91 Octane ......but I'm not ......and I'm not activating the Knock correction features built into the 1330 ace..............and based on what Paul ( PMK ) has said about this and ( Andy ) I'm not worried........We'll check the plugs at 15,000 or so and see what they look like .....maybe earlier if I'm in there for some reason.........And thanks for stepping up and answering the question.................Mike

The initial test on 91 up to 1300 miles is may be slightly in error. The machine was new and not broken in. Yes broken in enough to ride and do no damage, however it was certainly tight. The engines and gearbox will free up, as will the drive line (belt and pulleys) and other things. Cumulative it should make a small but noticed increase in mileage.

Also, when new, ours machine and others have had definite belt misalignment and front wheel misalignment. Both of these will kill MPG. So if you have aligned the Spyder front wheels or aligned the belt, this will certainly free up the chassis rolling resistance.

On a similar but side note, when the machine was picked up, were the tire pressures set with the same gauge that has been used throughout your data logging?

MPG is more based on efficiency than performance. However a light machine with light riders and less stuff creating drag sure helps.

PK

 

[PMK]

....Paul, thanks for the info about the " STARTRON " ( I was typing,so I missed it ) .....Question ???...How do you think their claim " THAT IT NEGATES THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF ETHYL IN GAS ) ........This the reason that I have been using it, I didn't realize it might also be boosting the Octane rating of the 87 I use .............Mike :thumbup:

I had a long conversation with the, possibly owner and chemist from Starbrite at a trade show a couple of years ago. Very nice guy, and FWIW local to me. The week following the trade show I went and purchased a bottle of Startron. Small Engine Formula. Learning at the trade show that this worked great in generators and small engines. I mixed as instructed and took my Moms Honda Generator, that had sat for a while but still ran, however it surged. The verbal face to face claims from the manufacturer indicated the engine would run and smoke, while it removed carb deposits and cleaned build up from the intake and combustion area. I was told this would be approximately 30 minutes and the engine would run better as the 30 minutes expired. Fired it up, and yes it smoked a bit, let it run more than 30 minutes. Also, after letting the machine sit, I ran it a second time. For whatever reason, the product did not live up to the claim in my application. I am sure it did absorb any water from the fuel. Without doubt it stabilized the fuel for longer life. In the end the little carb was torn down, properly cleaned, and reassembles with the original seals. Once together it fired right up, and ran like a champ on gasoline with no Startron in it. Five minutes ago, I went to the garage and there on the shelf is 3/4 of the bottle of unused Startron. I won't say it's good, won't say it's bad, just noting it is there for me to try again in another small engine with woes, but I expect similar results.

Mike, you asked specifically about the claim of negating harmful effects of ethanol in gasoline. Taken as a copy and paste from Startrons webpage, I am going to plead the 5th and just quote them. This was also what I learned / was explained at the trade show. Probably one of the products besides the majority product of Naptha, is engineered to grab the ethanol molecule and bind it to the Naptha, nut honestly...I am not sure. The guy is very nice from what I recall. Passionate about his products, and may be worth a phone call to hear it directly.

Small engines are especially susceptible to ethanol problems such as gum deposits that clog carburetors, making engines difficult to start and run rough. Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment cures and prevents ethanol fuel problems by preventing gum formation, stabilizing fuel chemistry and allowing fuel to burn more completely for optimal engine performance and full power. Star Tron can actually clean dirty carburetors and keep them clean, while also stabilizing fuel for up to 2 years and rejuvenating old, substandard fuel. It helps prevent phase separation by dispersing water throughout the fuel as submicon-sized droplets that are safely eliminated while the engine operates.


I know it's not an answer you wanted, but it is my experience with the product. The reading of the MSDS the other night let me know it is a lot of Naptha in a blue bottle...it will raise octane of gasoline, certainly changes the burn or flame speed and makes any comparison really difficult when compared to a heavier unmodified gasoline.

PK

 

[PMK]

:2excited:....​JC, how can I possibly get an accurate assessment on using 87 Octane if I'm mixing different Octane rating;s ? ? ? ?................and according to Andy He could actually feel just when and under what load He was applying .....for the Anti-knock system to kick in.,.............and if what you are saying is what the computer is doing is correct....................then the " ECU " has permanently re-mapped the engine to use 87 Octane as long as I keep using it consistently...........At least this is what I think........Maybe Paul would address this THEORY ....................Great conversation :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:..............Mike

I am going to group a couple of replies into this post.

I too was under the impression the test your friend did was electronic and not seat of the pants. Knock sensing in extreme cases will will be felt. Your friend no doubt was aware of what he was looking for and certainly would notice it before another person. MY guess is he did listen for knock, but tried various combinations of load vs throttle until he found a point at which the engine computer rolled back some timing and he felt the performance decrease.

I do not know the exact specifics of the engine management on a Spyder. At this point, I would repeat what JC posted. The engine is monitored, based on parameters, including knock sensing it makes corrections to the engine mapping. So in effect, your testing of the knock sensors should have rolled back some performance since they were tested. Over time, as JC mentioned, the computer will make small changes, trying reset to optimum.

Often, you hear automotive discussions where a mod has been made, the advise given is to disconnect the battery for at least 30 minutes to reset the computer to factory defaults. Then go drive and let the computer relearn the new setup. I would say this may, if it works on the Spyder too, is an easier way to see results sooner. Likely within 50 miles of driving.

Not to avoid the discussion, but I found JC to have given good posts and would tend to agree with most of it. The portion I would differ on, and JC may or may not have read my post about Startron increasing octane, is that you really are not running 87 octane. Pretty much you are running a "witches brew" and I honestly have no idea of how good or bad the Startron has altered the fuel.

If it were me, and I realize cool weather is coming. I would run the last of the Startron fuel to the least you feel safe running, even to the oint of running out of gas. Refill or add say an accurate 3 gallons with pump 87 and no Startron. Disconnect the negative battery lead and let the Spyder sit for a few hours. Then burn that fuel and note the mileage. If possible run it dry. Then copy the test with 93. In each test the computer was reset (hopefully) to factory defaults, the computer relearned the engine map for the fuel, and made adjustments. Hopefully the relearn will occur in similar miles so the results are close. Ideally, you would ride similar terrain with a similar load on the Spyder. Then you will have a more accurate idea of where the fuel octane is placing the MPG. Also, look for small but noticed changes in mid range pull. These are the engine map areas where the computer is watching close for all parameters. Heavy load of acceleration, increased throttle opening, less than optimum rpm possibly (do not downshift yet) and try the same with a downshift. Realize that playing like this will drop mpg so keep it the same for both fuel.

Lastly, best to take notes of how each performed on the fuel burned. At the end calculate how it turned out.

Again, I am not against the Startron, nor in favor of it.

As for the 87 vs mid grade vs premium. We personally ride two up almost always. The right grip sees a fuel range from idle to WFO. The machine does fine. In a previous topic, Bob D mentioned it would auto downshift with some high load acceleration parameters. For his knowledge I did try to accomplish getting it to drop a gear. At this time, with 93 Chevron, two up and the computer solidly knowledgeable about how we ride...it has not downshifted. Just has a strong mid range pull as the right grip requested. I will say though, and I was kind of explained I was wrong, that I would like more HP and torque for highway passing. Yes I can downshift, but at higher speeds two up, I do not prefer to make the shift and startle the wife. The triple is smooth, just wish it had more of the great already there roll on power to go from say 70 to 90 ish then back down to 70. But it's all good.

Now this post can reassume the its train wreck of a derailment...

PK

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

THANKYOU,..THANKYOU,..THANKYOU,,,FOR THIS INFORMATIVE NON-ICE CREAM ANSWER !!!!

I am going to group a couple of replies into this post.

I too was under the impression the test your friend did was electronic and not seat of the pants. Knock sensing in extreme cases will will be felt. Your friend no doubt was aware of what he was looking for and certainly would notice it before another person. MY guess is he did listen for knock, but tried various combinations of load vs throttle until he found a point at which the engine computer rolled back some timing and he felt the performance decrease.

I do not know the exact specifics of the engine management on a Spyder. At this point, I would repeat what JC posted. The engine is monitored, based on parameters, including knock sensing it makes corrections to the engine mapping. So in effect, your testing of the knock sensors should have rolled back some performance since they were tested. Over time, as JC mentioned, the computer will make small changes, trying reset to optimum.

Often, you hear automotive discussions where a mod has been made, the advise given is to disconnect the battery for at least 30 minutes to reset the computer to factory defaults. Then go drive and let the computer relearn the new setup. I would say this may, if it works on the Spyder too, is an easier way to see results sooner. Likely within 50 miles of driving.

Not to avoid the discussion, but I found JC to have given good posts and would tend to agree with most of it. The portion I would differ on, and JC may or may not have read my post about Startron increasing octane, is that you really are not running 87 octane. Pretty much you are running a "witches brew" and I honestly have no idea of how good or bad the Startron has altered the fuel.

If it were me, and I realize cool weather is coming. I would run the last of the Startron fuel to the least you feel safe running, even to the oint of running out of gas. Refill or add say an accurate 3 gallons with pump 87 and no Startron. Disconnect the negative battery lead and let the Spyder sit for a few hours. Then burn that fuel and note the mileage. If possible run it dry. Then copy the test with 93. In each test the computer was reset (hopefully) to factory defaults, the computer relearned the engine map for the fuel, and made adjustments. Hopefully the relearn will occur in similar miles so the results are close. Ideally, you would ride similar terrain with a similar load on the Spyder. Then you will have a more accurate idea of where the fuel octane is placing the MPG. Also, look for small but noticed changes in mid range pull. These are the engine map areas where the computer is watching close for all parameters. Heavy load of acceleration, increased throttle opening, less than optimum rpm possibly (do not downshift yet) and try the same with a downshift. Realize that playing like this will drop mpg so keep it the same for both fuel.:dontknow::dontknow:.....PAUL, my memory isn't what it used to be, but your comments triggered this info......When WE did the 87 octane load test I had not been using the "STARTRON" yet......and during my cleaning out of any Premium fuel in the system ....I was working on the DASH installing 12 volt recpt. and had the Batt dis-connected..............And my explanation to JC about my testing parameters were not done with any MPG's in mind ......just to show I think if you want to know what 87 octane will do ....you must only be using 87 oct......

Lastly, best to take notes of how each performed on the fuel burned. At the end calculate how it turned out.

Again, I am not against the Startron, nor in favor of it.

As for the 87 vs mid grade vs premium. We personally ride two up almost always. The right grip sees a fuel range from idle to WFO. The machine does fine. In a previous topic, Bob D mentioned it would auto downshift with some high load acceleration parameters. For his knowledge I did try to accomplish getting it to drop a gear. At this time, with 93 Chevron, two up and the computer solidly knowledgeable about how we ride...it has not downshifted. Just has a strong mid range pull as the right grip requested. I will say though, and I was kind of explained I was wrong, that I would like more HP and torque for highway passing. Yes I can downshift, but at higher speeds two up, I do not prefer to make the shift and startle the wife. The triple is smooth, just wish it had more of the great already there roll on power to go from say 70 to 90 ish then back down to 70. But it's all good.

Now this post can reassume the its train wreck of a derailment...

PK

:yes::yes:.........Paul thanks again for all this info, ( also please read my in RED answer above ).....And IMHO, I don't think there is any product that you can reliably believe will clean your CARB or FUEL INJECTOR system by adding it to the gas.......The only reason I use "STARTRON" is the hope that it will have some effect on negating the BAD effect of the ETHYL in my local gas :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

NOT FOR mpg'S

The initial test on 91 up to 1300 miles is may be slightly in error. The machine was new and not broken in. Yes broken in enough to ride and do no damage, however it was certainly tight. The engines and gearbox will free up, as will the drive line (belt and pulleys) and other things. Cumulative it should make a small but noticed increase in mileage.

Also, when new, ours machine and others have had definite belt misalignment and front wheel misalignment. Both of these will kill MPG. So if you have aligned the Spyder front wheels or aligned the belt, this will certainly free up the chassis rolling resistance.

On a similar but side note, when the machine was picked up, were the tire pressures set with the same gauge that has been used throughout your data logging?

MPG is more based on efficiency than performance. However a light machine with light riders and less stuff creating drag sure helps.

PK

.......Paul as I stated later in this thread ......I wasn't considering MPG's in reference to the testing as stated to JC.......just to show what gas was used and when ...........Also I did check the tire pressure when I picked it up and they correct....................and actually remained that way:thumbup: