What type of gas does everyone use

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I had a long conversation with the, possibly owner and chemist from Starbrite at a trade show a couple of years ago. Very nice guy, and FWIW local to me. The week following the trade show I went and purchased a bottle of Startron. Small Engine Formula. Learning at the trade show that this worked great in generators and small engines. I mixed as instructed and took my Moms Honda Generator, that had sat for a while but still ran, however it surged. The verbal face to face claims from the manufacturer indicated the engine would run and smoke, while it removed carb deposits and cleaned build up from the intake and combustion area. I was told this would be approximately 30 minutes and the engine would run better as the 30 minutes expired. Fired it up, and yes it smoked a bit, let it run more than 30 minutes. Also, after letting the machine sit, I ran it a second time. For whatever reason, the product did not live up to the claim in my application. I am sure it did absorb any water from the fuel. Without doubt it stabilized the fuel for longer life. In the end the little carb was torn down, properly cleaned, and reassembles with the original seals. Once together it fired right up, and ran like a champ on gasoline with no Startron in it. Five minutes ago, I went to the garage and there on the shelf is 3/4 of the bottle of unused Startron. I won't say it's good, won't say it's bad, just noting it is there for me to try again in another small engine with woes, but I expect similar results.

Mike, you asked specifically about the claim of negating harmful effects of ethanol in gasoline. Taken as a copy and paste from Startrons webpage, I am going to plead the 5th and just quote them. This was also what I learned / was explained at the trade show. Probably one of the products besides the majority product of Naptha, is engineered to grab the ethanol molecule and bind it to the Naptha, nut honestly...I am not sure. The guy is very nice from what I recall. Passionate about his products, and may be worth a phone call to hear it directly.

Small engines are especially susceptible to ethanol problems such as gum deposits that clog carburetors, making engines difficult to start and run rough. Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment cures and prevents ethanol fuel problems by preventing gum formation, stabilizing fuel chemistry and allowing fuel to burn more completely for optimal engine performance and full power. Star Tron can actually clean dirty carburetors and keep them clean, while also stabilizing fuel for up to 2 years and rejuvenating old, substandard fuel. It helps prevent phase separation by dispersing water throughout the fuel as submicon-sized droplets that are safely eliminated while the engine operates.


I know it's not an answer you wanted, but it is my experience with the product. The reading of the MSDS the other night let me know it is a lot of Naptha in a blue bottle...it will raise octane of gasoline, certainly changes the burn or flame speed and makes any comparison really difficult when compared to a heavier unmodified gasoline.

PK[/QUOTE......Paul , are " STARBRITE " and " STARTRON " connected ? ? ?..................and as stated later I only use the Startron for it's claims about " ETHYL " , I don't believe there is anything you can just add to GAS to substitute for dis-mantling and properly cleaning the parts JMHO.......Mike :thumbup:

 

[Dubld]

I only use premium non-ethanol in my 2014 RTS. I try to find a BP station when out on the road, because they usually have 91 or 92 octane non-ethanol. I have found some BP stations that have ethanol in their premium gas. Why? Happened to me once recently. Had to fill up because was running really low. Now I know to avoid that BP. When in unfamiliar territory, I look for gas stations with other bikes. It's a safe bet you will find non-ethanol premium there.

 

[jcthorne]

I only use premium non-ethanol in my 2014 RTS. I try to find a BP station when out on the road, because they usually have 91 or 92 octane non-ethanol. I have found some BP stations that have ethanol in their premium gas. Why? Happened to me once recently. Had to fill up because was running really low. Now I know to avoid that BP. When in unfamiliar territory, I look for gas stations with other bikes. It's a safe bet you will find non-ethanol premium there.

When you come to the big city, don't worry about the ethanol in the gas. ALL gas has 10% ethanol. Nothing to worry about.

 

[sduskin]

91 octane (US) and 100% gas

I'm sure this has been asked but what brand and octane level does everyone use. I finally got my mileage up since i started
shifting better so now i want to know if i really need super or will regular or plus do.
I use BP, super on my performance vehicles & regular on my basic cars and my yamaha.

With my tires at the proper pressure (now, that is) I get about 40mpg. 32-34mpg for my mini turbo using the same.

 

[0992]

How about this

 

[PMK]

How about this

I guess it's fine if the engine platform is what you prefer.

They made TDI racecars that won big events, so if the shoe fits and is a color you like, you should go for it.

PK

 

[PMK]

Starbrite, is the company that makes Startron. So yes they are related.

PK

 

[PMK]

:yes::yes:.........Paul thanks again for all this info, ( also please read my in RED answer above ).....And IMHO, I don't think there is any product that you can reliably believe will clean your CARB or FUEL INJECTOR system by adding it to the gas.......The only reason I use "STARTRON" is the hope that it will have some effect on negating the BAD effect of the ETHYL in my local gas :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Understandable why we tend to use products to increase longevity and reliability.

This video will save some typing.

Our machine has a 3.2 oz bottle of this added to each fill up

https://www.yamahapartsandaccessories.com/product/details/fuel-med-rx?b=Search&d=34

These are are two different Yamalube products. I want to say that when I went to purchase the fuel conditioner, we found that Yamalube had replaced it with the newer fuel med RX we run. But please buy what you prefer and can obtain.

Somewhere on the internet, and I thought Shawn Smoak had made the video, it showed internal parts and the protection the Yamalube provide. I can not find that video, but it steered me towards Yamalube to protect the Spyder fuel system.

PK

 

[Rockwall]

Premium only. Is it worth it? Who knows, but with a 6.6 gallon tank we are talking so little money difference then why ever skimp?:doorag:

 

[Bob Denman]

Thank you... :clap: :agree: :2thumbs:

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

BRP recommend minimum 92 Octane. Here in New Zealand we have 91, 95, 98. My original RS and then my RSS ran great and got best performance and mileage from 91, with the occasional 95 fill up. Tried running my ST on 91 and it didn't like it at all, at my first service, my dealer told me I was using 91 and to stop using it and go to 95, as the engine knock sensor had been woken up quite a few times. No noticeable difference in performance, and I have given up worrying about mileage, I ride to enjoy it.

Those octane numbers are high compared to US. Wonder if octane is measured differently in NZ and what you have is actually the same as we have.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

PRICE DIFERENTIAL

Premium only. Is it worth it? Who knows, but with a 6.6 gallon tank we are talking so little money difference then why ever skimp?:doorag:

:agree::agree:.................................Absolutely :thumbup:......I am only planning on buying ONE tankful this year also :roflblack:.........Mike

 

[PMK]

:agree::agree:.................................Absolutely :thumbup:......I am only planning on buying ONE tankful this year also :roflblack:.........Mike

Planning to buy a Spyder Hybrid Plug In I see. While parked it is plugged in and charges the batteries. Ride to the store, get home, plug it back in. A continuous cycle for the entire year...

I must be an exception to the fuel mileage club here on Spyderlovers, I don't worry about MPG, looked a couple times and do not get close to what others post for mileage. I may take the machine in for warranty, either the right grip twists too much or there is a loose nut behind the handlebars.

PK

 

[PistonBlown]

Originally Posted by Colin BRP recommend minimum 92 Octane. Here in New Zealand we have 91, 95, 98. My original RS and then my RSS ran great and got best performance and mileage from 91, with the occasional 95 fill up. Tried running my ST on 91 and it didn't like it at all, at my first service, my dealer told me I was using 91 and to stop using it and go to 95, as the engine knock sensor had been woken up quite a few times. No noticeable difference in performance, and I have given up worrying about mileage, I ride to enjoy it.

Those octane numbers are high compared to US. Wonder if octane is measured differently in NZ and what you have is actually the same as we have.

I think we (NZ) use the same system as Europe which would mean our 95 is roughly equivalent to US 91. Europe just uses the RON measure, while in the US they take the average between the RON and MON (which is always lower than RON). I can't remember now what the exact difference is between the RON and MON but I think MON is supposed to be closer to normal driving conditions.

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree::agree:.................................Absolutely :thumbup:......I am only planning on buying ONE tankful this year also :roflblack:.........Mike

Hi Mike,
The actual difference in cost between a Season of 87, and one of 93.... only about sixty bucks! The Missus and I can do without one night on the Town per year, so that the bike gets the fuel that it will be happiest with. :2thumbs:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

THE LAST WORD ON OCTANE .................................................. EVER

Hi Mike,
The actual difference in cost between a Season of 87, and one of 93.... only about sixty bucks! The Missus and I can do without one night on the Town per year, so that the bike gets the fuel that it will be happiest with. :2thumbs:

:agree:......Hi Bob, after many conversations with " *M* " both on the Forum and in private .....I have now come over to the " HIGHER IS BETTER SIDE " .........So I am now using 93 Octane with an Entire bottle of Octane booster at every fill-up.........My estimated octane level is about 125 now and All of you are correct ....My average MPG's is now 53.7 and I can do the 1/4 mile in 10.233 seconds at 118 MPH.................I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo excited with the improvements :yes: :thumbup:.......Mike

 

[Bob Denman]

:yikes: Careful... you don't want to have a stroke, with all of that spare octane sloshing around!
Seriously; I load the bike with 93, because the last person probably used 87... (Was it YOU???)
I figure that with the cheap stuff that's still in the hose; I'm lucky to be averaging out to 91 anyway... :dontknow:

 

[NoLmtz]

Here's a couple of personal points:

1) On a recent 4,500 mile trip I used all sorts of gas providers... what I found was a significant positive difference in Shell versus anyone else (+2-3 mpg).

2) I typically use 93 octane, but will use 91 minimum. 91 is recommended here in the states and is the proper combustion temperature for the machine. 93 may actually be too high of a combustion temp and could cause negative effects to overall performance. I'm actually going to start using 91 octane from branded stations.

3) 87 octane is acceptable in Spyders, but the combustion temperature is much less and pre-combustion may occur, causing pinging and ultimately affecting the engine itself. So, the ideology of use it until you hear / feel pinging is a bad idea because you're actually contributing to its creation.

4) Why risk carbon build-up and pre-combustion for a few cents in a high-compression machine that is not free?? I bet you waste more money throughout the day that would make up for the difference in fuel price.

I'm not a gas expert, but I know how to Google and decipher fact from fiction... plus I have a Chemical Engineering degree... that helps!! :roflblack:

 

[PMK]

Precombustion

 

[PMK]

Precombustion Capture Unit