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Water wetter vs ICE
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SpyderGirl
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Smokster, I am doing the same thing. The water wetter was just alright for me. I will be doing my coolant drain next week and adding Engine Ice.
Roger
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BajaRon
Well-known member
When looking around on the Internet I found a shootout between several of these temp reducion additives. Water Wetter did the best of all in the 30/70 mix.
Some did better with just water but not that much better and I didn't want to run without any antifreeze.
If you keep your 50/50 antifreeze mix you're not going to see much improvement. Antifreeze works to keep heat in the motor and will greatly reduce the effectiveness of any additive like Water Wetter or Ice at a 50% mix.
I don't remember if "Ice" was in the test or not.
What I took away from it was that none of them are a silver bullet. They do a better job and increase heat transfer over just coolant or just water. But they won't cure big cooling problems.
My opinion is that in stop and go traffic in temps over 100 degrees we just need more radiator surface area. Short of that we're just going to get hot. But not as hot or hot as quickly with the right coolant/additive mix.
I feel that Water Wetter is working well for me. It has dropped me from running 4~5 bars in heat to running 3~4 bars in heat (usually 3 bars). That's if I am moving. Sitting still in heat I get as high as 6 bars at times but still, overall, even sitting I've seen an improvement.
Let us know how the ICE works out for you.
Some did better with just water but not that much better and I didn't want to run without any antifreeze.
If you keep your 50/50 antifreeze mix you're not going to see much improvement. Antifreeze works to keep heat in the motor and will greatly reduce the effectiveness of any additive like Water Wetter or Ice at a 50% mix.
I don't remember if "Ice" was in the test or not.
What I took away from it was that none of them are a silver bullet. They do a better job and increase heat transfer over just coolant or just water. But they won't cure big cooling problems.
My opinion is that in stop and go traffic in temps over 100 degrees we just need more radiator surface area. Short of that we're just going to get hot. But not as hot or hot as quickly with the right coolant/additive mix.
I feel that Water Wetter is working well for me. It has dropped me from running 4~5 bars in heat to running 3~4 bars in heat (usually 3 bars). That's if I am moving. Sitting still in heat I get as high as 6 bars at times but still, overall, even sitting I've seen an improvement.
Let us know how the ICE works out for you.
Firefly
Active member
The possible gains of using 'water wetter' or 'ice' type products will be greater with a larger radiator - so the gains on the Spyder with such a small radiator won't be drastic.
Here is a great review of most of the popular brands and tests to show how well they work.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html
Here is a great review of most of the popular brands and tests to show how well they work.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html
Spyder#353
New member
When I drained my radiator to install a mechanical temp gage. After I over heated and blue the fan main fuse.
I put in water witter. I use ti in my 78 Vette. I don't know how much it helps.:dontknow: Here in South Florida we need all the cooling help we can get. All year round
I put in water witter. I use ti in my 78 Vette. I don't know how much it helps.:dontknow: Here in South Florida we need all the cooling help we can get. All year round
SpyderGirl
New member
???? What did you do ????
engine ice
I recommend the ice.... i have tried most of the different products, water wetter and purple **** and then the ice.... all worked i think the ice worked the best. but you cant use ANY water or antifreeze, just the ice its self.... if you haff to add. water you must use distilled water and then it weekends it, that's its down fall.... But nomatter what you use the bike will still get as hot, just take longer, unless you change the fan temp. switch....... from 229 to about 195 or so...... that will help more then anything but the ice dose help...... :chat:
I recommend the ice.... i have tried most of the different products, water wetter and purple **** and then the ice.... all worked i think the ice worked the best. but you cant use ANY water or antifreeze, just the ice its self.... if you haff to add. water you must use distilled water and then it weekends it, that's its down fall.... But nomatter what you use the bike will still get as hot, just take longer, unless you change the fan temp. switch....... from 229 to about 195 or so...... that will help more then anything but the ice dose help...... :chat:
effgjamis
Ride Forrest Ride!
Now just how do you go about doing that????
Curious Mind would like to know.
forrest
effgjamis
Ride Forrest Ride!
Repops, installed a dam between the radiator and outer cover.. It seems that the distance between, prior to the dam, was approx 2+ inches, which allowed air from the the air intake to bypass the radiator.. Now with the dam, all the air is being directed thru the radiator. As we found on the trip to LA and back, it reduced the heat by a couple of bars, even across the desert.
smokster
New member
I am going to attempt to answer my own thread thru experience and opinion. I do not have a temp gauge like most of us and can only go by Spyder temp bars.
When I started this thread I ran 3,4 and 5 bars with 6 bars in traffic. This was done in temperatures of 75-85 for the most part. At the time I was running 50/50 antifreeze. I also took off the under plate (opposite side of oil tank) to run as cool as possible. I also do not have the stock airbox, but Ken from Evoluzione air filter system
I then asked the question of water wetter vs ICE to try and get the temperature down like everyone would like.
I first bought the water wetter for about $ 10.00 and added 1/3 of the bottle in my antifreeze. I ran 1000 miles to Sacramento in temperatures of 90-102. On the freeway going 75-105 mph I ran 3 bars and an occasional 4th bar, which I thought was good. In speeds up to approx 65 I ran 4 bars and when in traffiic ran 5 bars, for the most part, eliminating that dreaded 6th bar. Water Wetter was the cheapest to buy and the easiest to install.
Curious minds wanted more...I wanted the Spyder to get rid of that 5th bar all together and just run 3 and 4 bars. So I bought (2) 1/2 gallons of ICE from the dealer (happen to be there and probably paid more than an auto store $ 36.00 total) The directions want you to empty any other antifreeze or watter wetter and just add the ICE. To do so, I drained it and flushed and ran the engine with distilled water until cleaned. I then added .9 gallons of ICE.
So the real test.....everyone still there?....I ran in temperatures of 78-88 degrees. Higher speeds ran 3 bars, normal speeds 4 bars and traffic speeds 5 bars. Still eliminating that dreaded 6th bar.
IMHO, after all these miles, expense and labor draining and refilling I do not see any huge difference or advantage to using ICE being that I was still running 5 bars.
I think the Spyder is just going to run 3,4 and 5 bars no matter what. My overall recomendation is to save your money and labor and just use the water wetter.
I do not work for or get payment from any of these products. However I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express and just wanted my Spyder to be comfy and run at the coolest possible tempertaure.
It would be interesting to see if someone (Like Lamont) who has a temp gauge could report on actual temps vs the crude measurement of Spyder temp bars.
This is my final answer, Ride safe and be cool
When I started this thread I ran 3,4 and 5 bars with 6 bars in traffic. This was done in temperatures of 75-85 for the most part. At the time I was running 50/50 antifreeze. I also took off the under plate (opposite side of oil tank) to run as cool as possible. I also do not have the stock airbox, but Ken from Evoluzione air filter system
I then asked the question of water wetter vs ICE to try and get the temperature down like everyone would like.
I first bought the water wetter for about $ 10.00 and added 1/3 of the bottle in my antifreeze. I ran 1000 miles to Sacramento in temperatures of 90-102. On the freeway going 75-105 mph I ran 3 bars and an occasional 4th bar, which I thought was good. In speeds up to approx 65 I ran 4 bars and when in traffiic ran 5 bars, for the most part, eliminating that dreaded 6th bar. Water Wetter was the cheapest to buy and the easiest to install.
Curious minds wanted more...I wanted the Spyder to get rid of that 5th bar all together and just run 3 and 4 bars. So I bought (2) 1/2 gallons of ICE from the dealer (happen to be there and probably paid more than an auto store $ 36.00 total) The directions want you to empty any other antifreeze or watter wetter and just add the ICE. To do so, I drained it and flushed and ran the engine with distilled water until cleaned. I then added .9 gallons of ICE.
So the real test.....everyone still there?....I ran in temperatures of 78-88 degrees. Higher speeds ran 3 bars, normal speeds 4 bars and traffic speeds 5 bars. Still eliminating that dreaded 6th bar.
IMHO, after all these miles, expense and labor draining and refilling I do not see any huge difference or advantage to using ICE being that I was still running 5 bars.
I think the Spyder is just going to run 3,4 and 5 bars no matter what. My overall recomendation is to save your money and labor and just use the water wetter.
I do not work for or get payment from any of these products. However I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express and just wanted my Spyder to be comfy and run at the coolest possible tempertaure.
It would be interesting to see if someone (Like Lamont) who has a temp gauge could report on actual temps vs the crude measurement of Spyder temp bars.
This is my final answer, Ride safe and be cool
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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Question? Fine in summer but what about winter? With all these so called cooling additives; some say with just water or a little antifreeze added. How is supposed to protect from freezing in the winter. Just woundering in northern Wis. Where it can and has reached -40 plus. I would think more antifreeze is needed. 50/50
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