turn signals

[pro10is]

Please let us know the result of disconnecting the turn signal bulbs one by one. That information is needed to help you more. Also, disconnect the instrument cluster cable and then turn on the key and let us know the effect that has on the signal lights. They cannot blink without the cluster attached but I need to know if they light. The way to resolve these types of problems is to narrow it down to the circuit that is causing the issue.

 

[major911]

Please let us know the result of disconnecting the turn signal bulbs one by one. That information is needed to help you more. Also, disconnect the instrument cluster cable and then turn on the key and let us know the effect that has on the signal lights. They cannot blink without the cluster attached but I need to know if they light. The way to resolve these types of problems is to narrow it down to the circuit that is causing the issue.

i will try this and let you know the results. are the front signals always on like running lights? I've never noticed since i'm usually on the other side of them. I know on my HD the fronts were always on.

 

[CyncySpyder]

We have an RT, so less than useless here, but I do have a question

When asked about mods, you said the only electrical was the LED fender tip bulbs, but when I read your signiture line, you have listed that you have:

2011 Alloy Orange/Black RSS SE5, Yoshimura Exhaust, BRP Comfort Seat, Fog Lights, Double Feature Tag Lens, 4.5" Easy Risers, Garmin Zumo 550, Kuryaken Iso Grips, Cal Sci XL Windshield

What is this Double Feature Tag Lens you have & could it possibly be causing any of the issue? :dontknow: Just trying to help

 

[major911]

When asked about mods, you said the only electrical was the LED fender tip bulbs, but when I read your signiture line, you have listed that you have:

2011 Alloy Orange/Black RSS SE5, Yoshimura Exhaust, BRP Comfort Seat, Fog Lights, Double Feature Tag Lens, 4.5" Easy Risers, Garmin Zumo 550, Kuryaken Iso Grips, Cal Sci XL Windshield

What is this Double Feature Tag Lens you have & could it possibly be causing any of the issue? :dontknow: Just trying to help

It's just a lens that replaces the reflector over the tag light on the rear fender. Nothing electrical.

 

[CyncySpyder]

Also, you said this DIDN'T WORK, do you mean you couldn't get anything to display?

Tried this procedure and it doesn't work. Looked through the owners manual and there is nothing like this step in there either.

I copied & pasted this from one of Scotty's other posts, here's the directions he gives for pulling up the fault codes on an RS. If it didn't work, as you said, then I'd be lead to believe that you either didn't do it right, or there is in fact something wrong with your cluster & maybe that could be the answer to your problem:dontknow: pps: Again, just trying to help as something should be displayed

Turn Ignition key to "ON".
Use "MODE" button to display total hours.
Start engine and run until check engine light (or other fault indication) is displayed.
Press and hold "MODE" button while pushing the "High Beam Flash" button rapidly five times (within 2 seconds).

The active faults will be displayed or "No Active Fault Code" will be shown. If you get no message, you didn't get the flash beams sequence in during the allotted time. Try again.

 

[major911]

I copied & pasted this from one of Scotty's other posts, here's the directions he gives for pulling up the fault codes on an RS. If it didn't work, as you said, then I'd be lead to believe that you either didn't do it right, or there is in fact something wrong with your cluster & maybe that could be the answer to your problem:dontknow: pps: Again, just trying to help as something should be displayed

Turn Ignition key to "ON".
Use "MODE" button to display total hours.
Start engine and run until check engine light (or other fault indication) is displayed.
Press and hold "MODE" button while pushing the "High Beam Flash" button rapidly five times (within 2 seconds).

The active faults will be displayed or "No Active Fault Code" will be shown. If you get no message, you didn't get the flash beams sequence in during the allotted time. Try again.

tried it numerous times, read somewhere that this only works if you catch it right after a fault occurs. I have not received any fault messages on the console so that may explain why I can't get it to display any.

 

[CyncySpyder]

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm ............................

tried it numerous times, read somewhere that this only works if you catch it right after a fault occurs. I have not received any fault messages on the console so that may explain why I can't get it to display any.

Interesting.... Considering Scotty posted the following with those directions
The active faults will be displayed or "No Active Fault Code" will be shown. If you get no message, you didn't get the flash beams sequence in during the allotted time. Try again that would lead me to believe you have an issue with your cluster or the switch used to flash your high beams then. If I had an RS, I'd try it and see if I at least got the "No Active Fault Code" message to display, then you'd know if you have an actual cluster problem, but I don't, sorry. Maybe someone that does can double check for us to rule this out :dontknow:

 

[major911]

Interesting.... Considering Scotty posted the following with those directions
The active faults will be displayed or "No Active Fault Code" will be shown. If you get no message, you didn't get the flash beams sequence in during the allotted time. Try again that would lead me to believe you have an issue with your cluster or the switch used to flash your high beams then. If I had an RS, I'd try it and see if I at least got the "No Active Fault Code" message to display, then you'd know if you have an actual cluster problem, but I don't, sorry. Maybe someone that does can double check for us to rule this out :dontknow:

I know, it certainly has me scratching my head. I would have thought that if it were a result of a mod that it would have occured at the time of install. Things have been fine for a week then suddenly after a ride this occurs....puzzling for sure.:gaah:

 

[NancysToy]

The turn signals, front or rear, are not lit as running lights unless an accessory module has been installed...Double Play for front and Triple Play for rear, as I recall. Even then, I'm not sure the front would be lit. If they are on as running lights, and you do not have a module buried in the bodywork somewhere, you have a short circuit. This could be in the wiring, a connector, or theoretically could also exist in the cluster itself. The fact that the signals work (at least in part) at first, then quit flashing when warmed up, points to an electronic origin...either in an accessory module or the cluster.

Don't be fooled into thinking the computer diagnostics can tell you everything and anything you need to know. This is not something that is typically monitored. Many techs today think the diagnostic computer is a god, but it still can't find things like a bad plug wire, plugged fuel filter, bad valve, or a host other mechanical or electrical ills. Modern vehicles are sophisticated, and need diagnostic systems to tell the tech where they are "feeling bad", but they are also mechanical and electrical, and in those cases a good old-fashioned mechanic is the answer, not a black box.

 

[major911]

The turn signals, front or rear, are not lit as running lights unless an accessory module has been installed...Double Play for front and Triple Play for rear, as I recall. Even then, I'm not sure the front would be lit. If they are on as running lights, and you do not have a module buried in the bodywork somewhere, you have a short circuit. This could be in the wiring, a connector, or theoretically could also exist in the cluster itself. The fact that the signals work (at least in part) at first, then quit flashing when warmed up, points to an electronic origin...either in an accessory module or the cluster.

Don't be fooled into thinking the computer diagnostics can tell you everything and anything you need to know. This is not something that is typically monitored. Many techs today think the diagnostic computer is a god, but it still can't find things like a bad plug wire, plugged fuel filter, bad valve, or a host other mechanical or electrical ills. Modern vehicles are sophisticated, and need diagnostic systems to tell the tech where they are "feeling bad", but they are also mechanical and electrical, and in those cases a good old-fashioned mechanic is the answer, not a black box.

I've received some great advise from the mebers on here. I will trouble shoot it as far as i can myself so that when I take it to the dealer I can save them some time by not repeating things i have already tried. I'm keping my fingers crossed and hoping I'm not looking at a cluster replacement that sounds like an expensive solution and not likely to be covered under warranty.

 

[Bob Denman]

Your bike is a 2011; the warranty might still be an option; if it's absolutely necessary! :shocked:

 

[major911]

Your bike is a 2011; the warranty might still be an option; if it's absolutely necessary! :shocked:

I hope so. Factory warranty is good until may 2013 and I fully plan on getting 3 yr extended warranty before then.

 

[pro10is]

I've received some great advise from the mebers on here. I will trouble shoot it as far as i can myself so that when I take it to the dealer I can save them some time by not repeating things i have already tried. I'm keping my fingers crossed and hoping I'm not looking at a cluster replacement that sounds like an expensive solution and not likely to be covered under warranty.

The cluster is definitely covered under BRP's warranty. I had the cluster on my BRP boat replaced.

 

[wyliec]

The cluster is definitely covered under BRP's warranty. I had the cluster on my BRP boat replaced.

I believe, but could be wrong, that the OP said he cracked the (plastic) lens the first time he removed the cluster. So, he may have a hard time getting the cluster covered under warranty, if that is the actual cause of the problem.:dontknow:

 

[major911]

The cluster is definitely covered under BRP's warranty. I had the cluster on my BRP boat replaced.

Well there was no need in searching any further for the culprit. When I got home today to check things out and troubleshoot some of what you suggested I discovered that not only were the turn signals going crazy but much of the display on the cluster was going on and off with digits missing etc.... pressing the mode and set buttons on the display results in characters blinking in and out. noticed what appeared to be moisture on the inside of the cluster screen but it was apparently soap residue from the last bath I gave the spider which was last weekend. Apparently I did get some water in the cluster from the crack in the screen and there it is.:lecturef_smilie: Dropped it off at the dealer gave them the rundown, they are gonna do a BUDS check and get with BRP and see whats covered. My fate rests in the hands of the dealer and BRP ray:. I'll keep ya'll posted as the rest of this story unfolds. Thanks for all the support.

 

[major911]

update

Well I spoke with my dealership today. They will be replacing the cluster under warranty (whew! dodged the bullet with that one) and they found some type of aftermarket light module under the seat panel that was affecting the turn signals. I was not aware of this and there was no external evidence of any aftermarket lights on the bike. All bulbs were incandecent stock and lenses were stock. Typically if you put like a triple play on you have to change the rear turn signals to red lenses if they are going to stay on as running lights. The lights have functioned as normal since i got the bike until the problem last week. At any rate I'm not going to argue the point since I did buy it used. i simply told them to remove the offending part and make it OEM again. problem solved. Hopefully should get it back by the end of the week.

 

[NancysToy]

Well I spoke with my dealership today. They will be replacing the cluster under warranty (whew! dodged the bullet with that one) and they found some type of aftermarket light module under the seat panel that was affecting the turn signals. I was not aware of this and there was no external evidence of any aftermarket lights on the bike. All bulbs were incandecent stock and lenses were stock. Typically if you put like a triple play on you have to change the rear turn signals to red lenses if they are going to stay on as running lights. The lights have functioned as normal since i got the bike until the problem last week. At any rate I'm not going to argue the point since I did buy it used. i simply told them to remove the offending part and make it OEM again. problem solved. Hopefully should get it back by the end of the week.

The lights should not have functioned as "normal" with the triple play (or any other module) installed. Either you didn't realize the difference, or the module was defective to begin with...and just got worse. I suspect the cluster was the root of your problems, though. Glad to hear you will be back in business soon.

 

[major911]

The lights should not have functioned as "normal" with the triple play (or any other module) installed. Either you didn't realize the difference, or the module was defective to begin with...and just got worse. I suspect the cluster was the root of your problems, though. Glad to hear you will be back in business soon.

I don't know that it was a triple play or what type of mod it's a mystery to me since everything did function normally before and there are no obvious hardware changes. Perhaps your right it may have been malfunctioning from the beginning. I perform a walkaround light check before every ride and would have caught any unusual behavior. I asked the tech to save the mod for me so I could examine it.

 

[NancysToy]

I don't know that it was a triple play or what type of mod it's a mystery to me since everything did function normally before and there are no obvious hardware changes. Perhaps your right it may have been malfunctioning from the beginning. I perform a walkaround light check before every ride and would have caught any unusual behavior. I asked the tech to save the mod for me so I could examine it.

You wouldn't likely have noticed a brake flasher in a walk-around, so that's a possibility. I expect you would have noticed a triple play...and that mod should have had red turn signal bulb replacements.

 

[major911]

OK here's the latest update. Dealer replaced the cluster (under warranty) advised me on Tue of some type aftermarket module that they weren't sure of was the culprit affecting the turn signals. My response was " I have no idea what this could be, I don't need it, go ahead and remove it and take things back to stock". Call the dealer up today to check on the status and I'm informed that they have been trying to replace this aftermarket relay. I proceed to the dealership and request a face to face with the tech to explain why he is trying to fix or repair the part that I simply asked them to remove. His explanation is that when they removed the module and tried to wire things back directly, the spyder would not start! So rather than take everything apart and trace the wires back to stock his solution is to replace this module and according to him everything will be fine. Now when i brought the bike in it started and ran just fine, my only problem was the turn signals malfunctioning and the intermittent cluster going in and out. I'm no mechanic but it seems to me that removing an aftermarket device should not render the spyder inoperable. I'm beginning to wonder if its actually a stock component thats supposed to be there and the tech doesn't even realize what he's looking at :dontknow: At any rate it's been a week now without my spyder and I'm still not sure when I will get it back.