turn signals

[CanAmChris]

Can you post a pic of the mystery module? Maybe someone here can tell you what it is. I had kind of the same problem with the turn signals and it was a bad cluster seal. I could see water inside the display when it rained and everything was good after it was replaced. Hope this works out for you.

CAC

 

[major911]

Can you post a pic of the mystery module? Maybe someone here can tell you what it is. I had kind of the same problem with the turn signals and it was a bad cluster seal. I could see water inside the display when it rained and everything was good after it was replaced. Hope this works out for you.

CAC

unable to take a pic at this point. I experienced the same problem with the cluster. thats why it was replaced. but they claim that the turn signal issues are somehow related to this mystery module. The service rep brought up a product online which he described as being similar to the device and it was a small black resistor that when wired in would supposedly make the turn signals function like running lights and brake lights. I'm familiar with these devices and have had similar on Harley's but usually they are a plug and play type and are typically near the rear of the bike. This device is actually under the dash near the fuse panel according to the tech.

 

[NancysToy]

unable to take a pic at this point. I experienced the same problem with the cluster. thats why it was replaced. but they claim that the turn signal issues are somehow related to this mystery module. The service rep brought up a product online which he described as being similar to the device and it was a small black resistor that when wired in would supposedly make the turn signals function like running lights and brake lights. I'm familiar with these devices and have had similar on Harley's but usually they are a plug and play type and are typically near the rear of the bike. This device is actually under the dash near the fuse panel according to the tech.

How was it wired in? If it was wired in using Posi-Taps, it should have been able to be disconnected without interrupting the existing wires. If it was plug-n-play, using Deutsch connectors, the OEM connectors would have had to had to be reconnected after the module was unplugged. Failure to do so could conceivably cause starting issues, I suppose. My gut feeling is that the module may have created another problem, like a blown fuse or relay, or that the way it was installed damaged the OEM wiring. It's going to take some wire tracing and additional troubleshooting on the dealer's part. I'd start at the battery and frame grounds, and work my way out.

 

[major911]

How was it wired in? If it was wired in using Posi-Taps, it should have been able to be disconnected without interrupting the existing wires. If it was plug-n-play, using Deutsch connectors, the OEM connectors would have had to had to be reconnected after the module was unplugged. Failure to do so could conceivably cause starting issues, I supose. My gut feeling is that the module may have created another problem, like a blown fuse or relay, or that the way it was installed damaged the OEM wiring. It's going to take some wire tracing and additional troubleshooting on the dealer's part. I'd start at the battery and frame grounds, and work my way out.

All good questions and suggestions that I will certainly pose to the technician the next time we speak.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

YOUR PROBLEM

OK here's the latest update. Dealer replaced the cluster (under warranty) advised me on Tue of some type aftermarket module that they weren't sure of was the culprit affecting the turn signals. My response was " I have no idea what this could be, I don't need it, go ahead and remove it and take things back to stock". Call the dealer up today to check on the status and I'm informed that they have been trying to replace this aftermarket relay. I proceed to the dealership and request a face to face with the tech to explain why he is trying to fix or repair the part that I simply asked them to remove. His explanation is that when they removed the module and tried to wire things back directly, the spyder would not start! So rather than take everything apart and trace the wires back to stock his solution is to replace this module and according to him everything will be fine. Now when i brought the bike in it started and ran just fine, my only problem was the turn signals malfunctioning and the intermittent cluster going in and out. I'm no mechanic but it seems to me that removing an aftermarket device should not render the spyder inoperable. I'm beginning to wonder if its actually a stock component thats supposed to be there and the tech doesn't even realize what he's looking at :dontknow: At any rate it's been a week now without my spyder and I'm still not sure when I will get it back.

Is the original owner....who probably put this stuff on the Spyder ...."DECEASED"....if not try and contact him for some vital statistics.......this may make the problem easier to deal with.........JMHO.....Mike

 

[CanAmChris]

The resistor thing troubles me. The only reason to add a resistor on a Spyder that I can think of is to switch lights from bulb to LED. I have also installed a module on my Harley to make the turn signals function as combination lights. The resistor involved there is to provide power but shunt it to the light bulb so it does not glow as bright until the turn signal or brake is activated. It's just a guess but I think there were some LED lights on your bike that were taken off before you bought it.

Like BlueKnight said, try and contact who you bought it from and as Scotty said, it might involve a lot of wire tracing.

CAC

 

[major911]

The resistor thing troubles me. The only reason to add a resistor on a Spyder that I can think of is to switch lights from bulb to LED. I have also installed a module on my Harley to make the turn signals function as combination lights. The resistor involved there is to provide power but shunt it to the light bulb so it does not glow as bright until the turn signal or brake is activated. It's just a guess but I think there were some LED lights on your bike that were taken off before you bought it.

Like BlueKnight said, try and contact who you bought it from and as Scotty said, it might involve a lot of wire tracing.

CAC

I used the term resistor for lack of a better description. It may or may not have been a resistor. You raise a valid point with the LED theory, can't imagine why they would have taken the lights off and left the module but it's conceivable. I bought the spyder from a harley dealership not an individual however, I did contact the salesman today to inquire whether they might be able to contact the previous owner regarding this issue and ask about any modifications. I have yet to get a call back from him.

 

[plescaille]

ok I took the LED fender tips out today and replaced them with the original bulbs. When I first turned the key on the turn signals in the rear were off like they should be. I tried the left signal and it worked fine. Tried the right and it stuttered a couple of times then quick blinking and went to constant on. rapid blinking indicator on dash. after a couple more tries now neither side works stays lit all the way around and lights don't flash. I can't think of anything else. retraced wiring harness from the riser install and all wires and plugs are secure with ample slack rechecked battery connections, fuses and relays. all intact. Gonna try that code sequence that someone else mentioned to see if there were any codes thrown.

I think you do not have a good ground.

 

[major911]

Update

Well after a week and a half I finally got the spyder back. Cluster was replaced under warranty, Offending aftermarket mod turned out to be a GPS antitheft device that had gone bad. That was one problematic and well hidden little PIA. All was removed and wiring harness was revamped and back to OEM. Dealer found the belt tension to be a little loose so they tightened it up to spec, replaced a missing muffler spring. Tech even cleaned up my wiring job for the garmin zumo that I had installed Looks all official and professional now. Had the shocks set to 5 all the way around. They even bathed the spyder before giving it back to me. Runs great, shifts much smoother now for some reason and is a little bit quieter (maybe it's just been so long since I heard it). At any rate, life is good again and it wasn't as painful on my wallet as I expected initially. Next step this weekend will be to install the green air filter, bajarons oil catch, and hook up the Juice Box.

 

[CanAmChris]

Well after a week and a half I finally got the spyder back. Cluster was replaced under warranty, Offending aftermarket mod turned out to be a GPS antitheft device that had gone bad. That was one problematic and well hidden little PIA. All was removed and wiring harness was revamped and back to OEM. Dealer found the belt tension to be a little loose so they tightened it up to spec, replaced a missing muffler spring. Tech even cleaned up my wiring job for the garmin zumo that I had installed Looks all official and professional now. Had the shocks set to 5 all the way around. They even bathed the spyder before giving it back to me. Runs great, shifts much smoother now for some reason and is a little bit quieter (maybe it's just been so long since I heard it). At any rate, life is good again and it wasn't as painful on my wallet as I expected initially. Next step this weekend will be to install the green air filter, bajarons oil catch, and hook up the Juice Box.

Very glad to hear this. Good luck with the new mods!

CAC