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Three days in Arkansas.....

ataDude

Mod Maniac
.... it was scheduled for four days... but more on that later.

The Participants.

This ride included a 2008 FJR-1300, a 2008 Kawa Concours 1400, a 2008 Triumph Speed Triple, a 2004 Suzuki DL1000 and, of course, my yellow (today) Spyder.

As long as the sport-bike guys were riding at 90% +/- of capability, the Spyder held it's own. In fact, all of the other folks were impressed at what the SpYder was capable of in the "aggressive" mode in the twisties. Obviously, at top end, it wasn't even close... some of those bikes were capable of 160 mph in the straights.

However, when those same guys were at 100% in the twisties, there was absolutely no contest. The Spyder is capable but is not a "twisty-killer" compared to those bikes. All of our drivers' experience, and the willingness to take a high amount of risk, were all about the same, BTW.

The Wreck.

Now for the "four days" thing... we started out with five bikes but came back with four.

Just south of Mt Judea, there are some very twisty, continuous switchbacks ranging from a posted 10 mph to 30 mph. That road is one of the best in AR... 74 or 79, if I recall.

The Speed Triple hit some gravel on a turn and low-sided... took out a road sign... then landed "hot" (both bike and rider) in a six-foot deep, weed-covered ditch. The bike is probably totaled but... because the rider was wearing the proper gear... all of it including an armored riding suit... he walked way from it with only scratches and bruises. That in itself is pretty amazing because he was probably doing about 50-60 in a turn when he hit the gravel. Lesson? ATGATT.

The Triumph was pulled out of the ditch by a local and stored at his property so time was not critical to get it hauled to wherever the insurance company wanted it hauled.

I am so disappointed with Progressive Insurance's response to the rider that I will cancel in December when my policy expires. We were trying to get them to assume responsibility for the "towing" but could not get a timely response... they could not find a local agent for the case and did not call back in a timely manner.

Update: Canceled Progressive and went with Dairyland for better coverage and a 60% savings.

I rode back yesterday (one day early) with one of the guys who came home to get his truck and trailer to haul the Triumph from Mt Judea back to Dallas.

The Spyder.

Most of the ride was flawless and at the high-end of the speed limits. Mileage was low because of the rpms... typically 25-30 mpg.

I had one fender light vibrate itself out of the fender while traveling.... had to stop to fix that... embarrassing.

On the way back Sunday, I had two, short experiences of the power steering doing it's own thing... pulled me immediately and abruptly, without warning, into the next lane to the left. Thankfully, it was on the straight highway and not in the curves, and traffic was nil due to it being a Sunday morning. I'll have the dealer take a look in the next week or so... or I will pull the DPS fuse just to be safe in the meantime. BTW, there were no displayed messages concerning this situation.

As I stated above, the Spyder performed admirably for a three-wheeler. The other guys thought I was nuts... and I probably was. The Spyder, with an experienced rider, can probably defend itself well against 95% of the other bike/rider combinations out there. However, when you combine a sport-bike-type cycle, along with twisty experience, there is no comparison.

I'm still happy, though. The Spyder was one of the best buying decisions I've ever made.

BTW... we did not see another Spyder in three days.

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As I stated above, the Spyder performed admirably for a three-wheeler. The other guys thought I was nuts... and I probably was. It will probably defend itself well against 98% of the other bike/rider combinations out there. However, when you combine a sport-bike-type cycle, along with twisty experience, there is no comparison.

I'm still happy, though. The Spyder was one of the best buying decisions I've ever made.

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Very interesting post, ataDude. This pretty much confirms my impressions of the Spyder's capabilities compared to conventional two-wheelers. I test-rode a Concours C14 last year, and I wouldn't want to try to keep up with one of those babies in the twisties on my Spyder if it was in the hands of a capable rider. The FJR 1300 is no slouch either!
However, after 39 years of motorcycling, much of it on sport-touring models, I am not regretting the move to the Spyder. This is an awesome machine, and capable of acquitting itself very well in most riding conditions. :2thumbs:

Cheers,

Bruce
 
Yepper, the SpYder is good but the sport bikes and sport/tourers are better... for those conditions. We take the trophies, though, for no-hassle u-turns and back-ups! :D

The new forward pegs (described in "Now mine...." thread) were great. Couldn't have done the mileage without them.

I didn't run the very quiet Warrior pipe (ran the Hindle, instead) because I didn't want to see my crappy weld job break in the middle of nowhere. However, with the RPMs needed to really push the SpYder in the twisties, the Hindle drove me nuts... and the Supertrapp would have been even worse. The Warrior pipe goes back on tomorrow.

The other thing... I am really sore today from man-handling the SpYder in the twisties.
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Very interesting post, ataDude. This pretty much confirms my impressions of the Spyder's capabilities compared to conventional two-wheelers. I test-rode a Concours C14 last year, and I wouldn't want to try to keep up with one of those babies in the twisties on my Spyder if it was in the hands of a capable rider. The FJR 1300 is no slouch either!
However, after 39 years of motorcycling, much of it on sport-touring models, I am not regretting the move to the Spyder. This is an awesome machine, and capable of acquitting itself very well in most riding conditions. :2thumbs:

Cheers,

Bruce
 
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Sounds like a good time, except for the broken toe. :2thumbs: :doorag:

And the wrecked Speed Triple in the ditch. :shocked:

In memorium... except this one was white:
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ATA,
Was the VSS activating much? I have found the spyder is slow coming out of the corners due to the VSS kicking in. It seems that when the bike finally takes a set in the corners it wants to coast around instead of being able to power out of the corners.
 
Glad your friend walked away from that accident! Great post - I don't take my Spyder at fast turns like that but in a straightaway I'll goose the throttle. I feel safe on my :spyder:. I do miss the lean factor sometimes though. Just don't miss the heavy slow speed manuvers:)
 
And the wrecked Speed Triple in the ditch. :shocked:


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I forgot that you guys had a crash on your trip. Glad to hear your friend made it out OK. Sorry his bike got wrecked.
 
ATA,
Was the VSS activating much? I have found the spyder is slow coming out of the corners due to the VSS kicking in. It seems that when the bike finally takes a set in the corners it wants to coast around instead of being able to power out of the corners.

The secret to avoiding the VSS is to set-up correctly BEFORE the turn, make sure you're in the proper gear for mid-range rpm (5k minimum), keep the throttle on, lean in to the turn (a lot... kiss that inside handgrip)... and never, ever let up on the throttle or apply brakes while in the turn. That's what'll do you in, IMHO.

Now, to cover my butt, that's just my opinion and is not intended to provide guidance for you concerning how to safely operate the SpYder. It's merely what I do... sometimes. Read your operator's manual and ride according to its instructions and your skills. :D
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I forgot that you guys had a crash on your trip. Glad to hear your friend made it out OK. Sorry his bike got wrecked.

You know I was worried about you... right, Brian? :D

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Glad your friend walked away from that accident! Great post - I don't take my Spyder at fast turns like that but in a straightaway I'll goose the throttle. I feel safe on my :spyder:. I do miss the lean factor sometimes though. Just don't miss the heavy slow speed manuvers:)

Thanks.

And... yepper on the low speed maneuvers on a heavy two wheeler. :D

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To get a better comparison, try doing the twisties on wet pavement...I don' think there'll be much comparison there...the Spyder will clearly dominate...
 
To get a better comparison, try doing the twisties on wet pavement...I don' think there'll be much comparison there...the Spyder will clearly dominate...

I beg to differ. One of the test rides I did on the Spyder was in the rain, and I found the back end broke loose on wet pavement quite easily. Rolling off the throttle would quickly correct this, but I learned that I had to take it easy on the curves in the wet. My Kawasaki Concours would not have acted this way. If you check your operators guide, you will see that BRP has posted warnings about the Spyder's behaviour on wet roads.
Don't get me wrong. I love riding the Spyder, but it does have some handling peculiarities.:D

Cheers,

Bruce
 
:agree:Big Time
I beg to differ. One of the test rides I did on the Spyder was in the rain, and I found the back end broke loose on wet pavement quite easily. Rolling off the throttle would quickly correct this, but I learned that I had to take it easy on the curves in the wet. My Kawasaki Concours would not have acted this way. If you check your operators guide, you will see that BRP has posted warnings about the Spyder's behaviour on wet roads.
Don't get me wrong. I love riding the Spyder, but it does have some handling peculiarities.:D

Cheers,

Bruce
 
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