Talk me into buying a Spyder - A few reservations

[Lew L]

New ride-----

Like many here----- have been riding 2 wheels for a LOOOONG time. The FZ1 was designed for a person much smaller than you. You might be much happier on a larger, more sit upright motorcycle. No :spyder2: will have the punch of an FZ1. I come from a few fast motorcycles and still have one ( V-Max ) and ever after adding 20 or so horsepower to my RTS ------ it will never accelerate like a 1000cc sport bike.

Good luck in your search for a new ride.

Lew L
PS: Hitting a deer on a :spyder2: is bad, bad , bad. A large truck with roo ( as in kangaroo ) bars would be much better in the twilight hours. We have deer ( and bear ) here too.

 

[Highwayman2013]

Here's a winning idea... they rent them in Vegas. Take a trip there and rent one for a day or two to amble about and get a real sense if one is for you. Still... you might be tempted to leave more money in that city than planned. Maybe just demo one near you

Where do they rent them?

 

[jbim]

Just like many on this site, I am older and maybe I could be your father. it took me a long time to make the move to three wheels but now that I have, I wouldn't go back. The Spyder is everything a motorcycle is, except leaning into curves. Buy the Spyder to spend quality time with your father and, if you can financially, keep the FZ when you need to lean into the curves. With time, I think you will find that your reservations are just noise and they most likely don't matter.

Good luck

J

 

[WisconsinDavid]

Just looked... they must have ended Spyders through Eagles Riders... here is the old page of what they would rent. Now just Harleys, BMWs, Indians in Vegas. Still CanAm's in NY and NJ.

https://www.eaglerider.com/cam-am-rentals

 

[Saluda]

It seems computers, safety features and advanced electronics are all the norm now.
Couldn't believe everything in my new pick up, I did get used to it and now I actually don't mind them.
The Spyder now doesn't seem so loaded with all those features in comparison. As far as standard versus automatic, I don't think I will ever own a standard anything again.
Test drive and then do it again, it is a big purchase and you do have some reservations. As far as looking to defeat those features, I wouldn't. Good luck.

 

[ATC]

I am going to go a different direction here. Have you thought about changing the bike you have to be more suitable to the riding you want to do? From your picture I think a better seat and different bars could go a long way towards remedying your problems. Have you tried physical therapy? Or conditioning exercise for your specific problems/riding style? Motorcycling is a sport and you appear to be more into "sport" riding. All sports require some degree of conditioning. As we get older the amount of natural conditioning we have from youth declines and the time for more deliberate conditioning arrives. This can come sooner or later depending on our genes and lifestyle.

Given your reservations, and desires you may not be able modify a Spyder to work the way you want it without throwing massive amounts of money at it, and maybe not even then. I love to ride hard, maybe not as hard as you. I have no desire to lift a wheel, but I did learn how to broadside my previous trike, a Honda conversion. I love my Spyder and love riding it.

BTW I totally agree with your desire to ride more with your Dad. I hope you find a way to make that happen.

I have thought about that quite a bit. New seat, rearsets, bars, risers (longer cables), and better grips...I just don't want to drop a grand or more into this bike and take the chance of still not being comfortable. Like someone else said, I am rather large and the FZ1 was not quite designed for someone like me in the first place. My shoulder/back issues stem from nearly 15 years on a forklift...not from a lack of conditioning per se.
Thanks

To the OP. Curious why you got rid of the Tiger 1050? I know a guy who's about your size and he loves his Tiger because he looks like a circus bear on anything smaller/shorter. Another friend of mine had an FZ1 for years and now rides an F800GS, loves the practicality and *dirt* worthiness of it. *It's no trail bike but can do a lot of gravel and forest roads.

I was having some electrical glitches with it, and it had a very clunky transmission that was giving me way too many false neutrals (and grinding at times). I had zero confidence in it lasting to even 10k miles. Dealer told me to drive it until it exploded, then come back for a warranty claim. Ridiculous.

When you ask for people's opinions, you're going to get just that. And they will vary tremedously. what really matters is what you like, and what you're looking for. If you're seeking the thrill of leaning into the curves, and spinning wheels out and just hot dogging around, then in my opinion a Spyder is not for you. But a Spyder's ride is a thrill in itself. I have an F3 Limited 2018. My wife has an RT. We ride it cross country all the time, previous models of course. Comfort is outstanding, power of the 1330 is great, and pure enjoyment of the ride is awesome. But that being said, that is what my wife and I are looking for. Do a test drive. Only you can decide what is right for you. Unless you're used to making decisions based on other people opinions for you.

I appreciate everyone's opinions here...even the ones that think I'm an idiot. If anything, it gets my mind trying to see their point of view...playing devil's advocate with myself...and who knows, I may learn something. I understand I'm not the "normal" customer here.
The Spyder IS fun! I loved riding it the little short time I did. I ride alone 95% of the time, so I'm not trying to impress anyone, or keep up with anyone. If I'm coming up on a 3 mile stretch of switchbacks...I might want to push the limits for a bit, but I have no problem just cruising the majority of my ride.

 

[RICZ]

You can tell by my signature I have been riding a long time. I only had my Spyder since March, so I know a lot about two wheeling. Sounds like you really want to stay on two wheels, but want comfort, handling and simplicity. I had a Victory Cross Roads for 9 years and I'm here to tell you that is one marvelous bike. They are a tall man's bagger-cruiser with a lot of stretch out room and a comfortable sit up position. A very low seat height gives you more confidence that this bike ain't gonna be dropped. But there is a ton of lean angle and almost 5" of suspension travel front and rear. They handle very, very well - I kept up with sport bikes in twisties. They are extremely dependable and very easy to service - no all afternoon oil changes. Very powerful stock and more powerful with some inexpensive add-ons. In the 9 years I had mine, I had zero problems. The cons: You will buy more gas because you will want to ride it a lot. People will want to talk about it - even H-D guys. Don't take my word for it, talk to some Victory cross bike owners.

 

[ATC]

You can tell by my signature I have been riding a long time. I only had my Spyder since March, so I know a lot about two wheeling. Sounds like you really want to stay on two wheels, but want comfort, handling and simplicity. I had a Victory Cross Roads for 9 years and I'm here to tell you that is one marvelous bike. They are a tall man's bagger-cruiser with a lot of stretch out room and a comfortable sit up position. A very low seat height gives you more confidence that this bike ain't gonna be dropped. They handle very, very well - I kept up with sport bikes in twisties. They are extremely dependable and very easy to service - no all afternoon oil changes. Very powerful stock and more powerful with some inexpensive add-ons. In the 9 years I had mine, I had zero problems. The cons: You will buy more gas because you will want to ride it a lot. People will want to talk about it - even H-D guys. Don't take my word for it, talk to some Victory cross bike owners.

Thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately, I cannot bring myself to own or ride a "bagger" or other cruiser-style bike. The closest I can see myself coming to one is maybe a Yamaha FJR...

Is that your actual bike the museum has? That's amazing!

 

[Tazzel]

I started with an 2012 RS, traded for a 2015 F3-S, traded that for a 2017 F3-T. Loved them all!!!!

although the F3-S is a sharper looking ride I would still go for the F3-T for the storage alone. You can get saddle bags for the S but they never look quite right.

 

[RICZ]

Thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately, I cannot bring myself to own or ride a "bagger" or other cruiser-style bike. The closest I can see myself coming to one is maybe a Yamaha FJR...

Is that your actual bike the museum has? That's amazing!

I have no idea where my Servi-Cycle might have ended up once I sold it and moved a notch up the MC ladder.
I shared your attitude of cruisers for decades and there was no way I would have one. Then I got cancer and got weak, but still wanted to be in the wind. As I said, it's an amazing bike - one test ride and I was sucked in. Had I let my anti cruiser attitude prevail, I would have denied myself a great MC experience.
Again, Ma Nature thought she'd get me out of the wind, but I fooled her with a F3 Limited. In all honesty, the Cross Roads was a lot more comfortable than my Spyder. I have a lot of work to do in that department.

 

[pegasus1300]

I still don't really understand why you think a Spyder will answer your needs. I know why I went to 3 wheels. A bad accident made it so don't do so well on 2 anymore, I wasn't ready to give up on riding and experience taught me I didn't like regular trikes. Ergo the Spyder. You seem to be able to still ride and enjoy 2 wheels. You sound like you just need something more suited to your current body and that would be MUCH cheaper then a Spyder, and leave you money to make it your own. If you are looking to survive in Deer country on it, not a safe bet. People still die in Spyder/Deer encounters. Slow down and put as much driving light as you can. True I did hit a dog with my Spyder, but that is a smaller hit. BTW still did $4000 damage to the Spyder, and was terminal for the dog. I did walk away. Don't think it would have been the same with a Deer. My real fear though, is an Elk. Lots of those around here. Moto commuted for 50 years and have to say that stupidity(mine and the car drivers) was my greatest danger. I hope you find something you can ride, 2 wheels or three there is nothing like it.

 

[ATC]

I still don't really understand why you think a Spyder will answer your needs. I know why I went to 3 wheels. A bad accident made it so don't do so well on 2 anymore, I wasn't ready to give up on riding and experience taught me I didn't like regular trikes. Ergo the Spyder. You seem to be able to still ride and enjoy 2 wheels. You sound like you just need something more suited to your current body and that would be MUCH cheaper then a Spyder, and leave you money to make it your own. If you are looking to survive in Deer country on it, not a safe bet. People still die in Spyder/Deer encounters. Slow down and put as much driving light as you can. True I did hit a dog with my Spyder, but that is a smaller hit. BTW still did $4000 damage to the Spyder, and was terminal for the dog. I did walk away. Don't think it would have been the same with a Deer. My real fear though, is an Elk. Lots of those around here. Moto commuted for 50 years and have to say that stupidity(mine and the car drivers) was my greatest danger. I hope you find something you can ride, 2 wheels or three there is nothing like it.

I don't see the Spyder as only being for the disabled/elderly/weak/etc...I'm not basing any of my decision on 2 wheels vs. 3 wheels. I don't see it as that since I am not as passionate or die-hard as a lot of 2-wheelers. If anything, I fully believe that I would put triple the miles on a Spyder as I would a similar 2-wheeler. The advantages it has in wet/poor weather, the roads I ride (chip seal, leaf/stick covered, gravel driveways washing out, sometimes dirt, etc.), the added comfort (feet positions, bars, seats, backrests, windscreens), added luggage for long trips (frunk, ease of trailer towing), would seem to equal or outweigh the pro's a 2-wheeler has. And I'd still rather hit a deer on a 900+lb Spyder than a 450lb bike.

I think my original post came on too strong. I'm not looking for a track bike. I'm not riding with a group of streetbikes. It's hard to convey with words on a screen without the context of an actual, verbal conversation. I just want to ride for fun and not have some sensor tell me I can't do what I want to do, the rare times I want to do them.

 

[ATC]

I started with an 2012 RS, traded for a 2015 F3-S, traded that for a 2017 F3-T. Loved them all!!!!

although the F3-S is a sharper looking ride I would still go for the F3-T for the storage alone. You can get saddle bags for the S but they never look quite right.

The -T is an attractive option for sure :thumbup:

 

[Miles42]

I honestly needed no one to talk me into a Ryker Rally ,sold it self to this old man that wanted to ride

 

[Saluda]

I honestly needed no one to talk me into a Ryker Rally ,sold it self to this old man that wanted to ride

Enjoy. My first Spyder was also a 100 % self sale.

 

[cruisinTX]

Sounds like you need to look at a higher performance touring bike. The top two out now that will meet your needs for thrills and be much more suited to long days are the Honda Gold Wing and the BMW K1600. They are both phenomenal machines that deliver both all day comfort and extremely high performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0h...jXw0w1kHm0PgzalyZ5tDyKPfHfgzFggfY5mXdNkqvQJx8

 

[stmike 1800]

My son had a 2006 FJR ,and at the same time i had a Honda ST 1300 .Both were great bikes ,very dependable and fast enough for me.Have a spyder RTL now but still miss my ST .

 

[Wahrsuul]

I have to say, I don't the the Spyder is for you. If the FZ gives you pain, then you need a different bike. I had an ST1300 - great bike, but without a few changes - seat, bars - it hurt to ride. Going from two to three wheels with a "nanny system" is going to irritate you. If you don't like the safety systems and see them as a "limitation on idiots", then you'll hate the tryke in short order.

 

[Batmobil-F3]

Hello ATC,
as far as I can tell, the nanny system on Spyder bothers you the most. So far I don't know of any Spyder rider or a way to disable or remove the Nanny. This is firmly anchored in the electronic system, so removing it might be very time-consuming. In sport mode you can definitely make burnouts and drift.

Maybe you are still looking for alternatives in the trike area. You can find a good overview of trikes here: https://thekneeslider.com/category/three-wheel-motor-vehicles/

 

[ATC]

Sounds like you need to look at a higher performance touring bike. The top two out now that will meet your needs for thrills and be much more suited to long days are the Honda Gold Wing and the BMW K1600. They are both phenomenal machines that deliver both all day comfort and extremely high performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0h...jXw0w1kHm0PgzalyZ5tDyKPfHfgzFggfY5mXdNkqvQJx8

That new Goldwing is a sexy bike. My dad picked up a very nice '98 model early last year so my mother could ride more comfortably with him. He still has his '06 V-Strom with 100k miles he's put on it.
The Goldwing is a little steep, as it starts out around $24k though. More than I had wanted to spend.
The Ducati Multistrada has been on my bucket list for a while now.


Thanks everyone for the feedback