Quartermain
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Anybody using the wide open throttle method to get some oil to the upper end after winter storage? Just curious.
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Start up after storage
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BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
:hun: ….I fail to see the logic in this …. instantly going to max revs when the oil has drained off everything that needs oil as a lube doesn't make sense to me ….. Mike
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No not me! Full throttle on start up is possibly the worst thing you could do to an engine. Moving parts need to be easily lubricated before being put under pressure of full throttle. I've seen people startup and hit the street at full throttle going through the gears and they don't realize they are shortening their engine life each and every time they do that. However, most people that do that never keep their rides long enough to ever realize an engine failure because of what they've done.
Mazo EMS2
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Do you hold the gas pedal to the floor in your vehicle when you start it? Why in the world would you do that to your Spyder? If anything, the total opposite. Let it turn over a few times, then turn the key off...repeat a few times....then, let it start up with NO throttle added.
Boilermaker
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:agree: I think this is what he is talking about also. Don't be too critical because this is a valid method if the car is set up this way. Doubt if the Spyder is set up to do this though.
Little Blue
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:lecturef_smilie:......If and ONLY IF the Spyder engine ECM is set up with a crank but not fire mode, would it be okay to do what you asked.
I am not sure about the Spyder ECM on your Bike.
My TIP ..... Check with your Spyder Dealer Service Person.......:thumbup:
:lecturef_smilie:......If and ONLY IF the Spyder engine ECM is set up with a crank but not fire mode, would it be okay to do what you asked.
I am not sure about the Spyder ECM on your Bike.
My TIP ..... Check with your Spyder Dealer Service Person.......:thumbup:
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
When I had a winter sleep in Alaska, we just turned the key, started in the "usual" way and drove off. I would give it a chance to warm up before going to normal throttle.
PMK
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To those posting replies with the thinking this guy plans to crank it up and go to max revs, that is not his plan at all. Others have had issues where the Spyder was temperamental, and not starting.
The wide open throttle crank does not let the Spyder start, but clears the motor of unburned fuel.
The original post is asking if a wide open crank, without the engine firing, is a benefit to build oil pressure and lubricate the engine, prior to a normal throttle closed start.
My opinion is you could, but there should be no issues just accomplishing a normal start, followed on with a good warm up before heading out.
The wide open throttle crank does not let the Spyder start, but clears the motor of unburned fuel.
The original post is asking if a wide open crank, without the engine firing, is a benefit to build oil pressure and lubricate the engine, prior to a normal throttle closed start.
My opinion is you could, but there should be no issues just accomplishing a normal start, followed on with a good warm up before heading out.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
PMK
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" without the engine firing " ???? ….where exactly in the OP's post does it mention that ….. " bad info in - bad info out " …. but I agrre with the rest of your answer ….. Mike
The computer and fuel injection system, plus ignition are smart enough on these modern vehicles to know better and it is pretty obvious the OP understands this.
If this was old school carb and points ignition or even carb and electronic ignition without the brains to know better, it could fire and start wide open. Newer cars, motorcycles and other vehicles are far smarter than their older relatives.
I remember reading somewhere that an instant start and go should not exceed 3/4's rpm of it's max rpm range until normal engine operating temp has been reached.
"The computer and fuel injection system, plus ignition are smart enough on these modern vehicles to know better and it is pretty obvious the OP understands this.
"Are you sure about this PMK? After rereading the OP's question I'm not so sure he understands. His post begins with "Start up after storage." and ends with "Just curious." I know you know what you're talking about but I'm not sure the OP does or he wouldn't have ask the question. Hopefully he'll respond and set us all straight. LOL
"Are you sure about this PMK? After rereading the OP's question I'm not so sure he understands. His post begins with "Start up after storage." and ends with "Just curious." I know you know what you're talking about but I'm not sure the OP does or he wouldn't have ask the question. Hopefully he'll respond and set us all straight. LOL
wingit3611
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I guess someone is going to have to try it and see if wide open throttle will stop it from starting. That's how you started a flood (gas) car. So it would seem to carry over to modern cars.
PMK
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Maybe some people read it one way and some of us another way. I read it word for word and understood what he wrote quite clearly. His focus is preoiling the engine prior to starting after a long storage period AND he wants to use the wide open throttle to allow the engine to crank without starting. He clearly stated wide open throttle and wanting to lube the engine. As for being curious, he is curious if others do this or not, not if it works or will not work.
Seems pretty basic wording and clear to me, guess I am reading exactly what he wrote and not overthinking it or running off on tangents. But, whatever, not losing any sleep over the replies or if he tries it.
Quartermain
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PMK
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Who’s confused...I’m good with it.
As for starting it up after storage, if possible warm the oil if it is still cool / cold. Not imperative, but it will let the oil flow easier.
pegasus1300
Well-known member
PMK may not be sure but I am. I am not sure on this but I believe I read this in the user's manual. Your Spyder will not start if you give it wide open throttle. I use this system all the time to make sure there is oil pressure after an oil change or after a long lay over. It only takes about 10-20 seconds for the light to go out. I then stop, close throttle and start as normal. Works
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