Stalling on high rpm up shifts?

[yamahog]

Dont know if this would be clutch issue or nanny, since my 3000 mile service bike has been running so strong :2excited: that I have sacumed to my hot rod urges hyea:and tried to see just how much faster the bike has become, but now when I try to wind it out to around 6000 to 6500 rpm it falls flat on its face when I up shift, is this normal am I just pushing the auto shift beyond its capabilities :dontknow:? :chat:

 

[NancysToy]

Are you sure there is nothing else involved? ...breaking the rear wheel loose, wide open throttle when turning sharply, accelerating too soon out of a turn, etc. can trigger Miss Nanny. Could it be coincidental?

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: In that rev range; your Spyder should be doing a MAJOR Happy Dance! hyea:hyea:hyea:

 

[yamahog]

Are you sure there is nothing else involved? ...breaking the rear wheel loose, wide open throttle when turning sharply, accelerating too soon out of a turn, etc. can trigger Miss Nanny. Could it be coincidental?

Well I for sure am breaking the rear wheel lose on takeoff hyea: but it is stalling in second to third too just not as bad, 1rst to second anything over 6000 rpm and it falls flat to the point of being embarrassingly noticeable, I think it is taking too long to shift to second but not sure, also this is straight line acceleration from standing start. opcorn:

 

[yamahog]

:agree: In that rev range; your Spyder should be doing a MAJOR Happy Dance! hyea:hyea:hyea:

LOL it is doing the happy dance till I shift then it try to throw me over the bars :dontknow:

 

[ARtraveler]

opcorn:opcorn:opcorn: I am going to just sit back and watch this post. I am not a mechanic or one who tries to get the most out of the spyder either.

 

[Bob Denman]

Question: Have you checked the oil level? These bikes are VERY fussy about having the right amount of Dino-Squeezings in the tank... it can sure make the transmission shifting go wonky if it's on the low side! :shocked:

 

[billybovine]

Dont know if this would be clutch issue or nanny, since my 3000 mile service bike has been running so strong :2excited: that I have sacumed to my hot rod urges hyea:and tried to see just how much faster the bike has become, but now when I try to wind it out to around 6000 to 6500 rpm it falls flat on its face when I up shift, is this normal am I just pushing the auto shift beyond its capabilities :dontknow:? :chat:

Wow you think your winding out at 6500 rpm :yikes: Sorry I could not resist. I shift mine at 9000 rpm often and mine shifts clean and quick. When shifting normally the shift will take under 1/2 a second. But if your timing is just right and you roll off the throttle during your shift it will take a lot longer and feel like it is cutting out. Done that. So if that's not the problem I will throw out more complicated and expensive ideas at you..

 

[Dudley]

Are you doing anything with the throttle when shifting? If you are holding steady on the throttle or even opening it up a bit while shifting, the Spyder should just keep on flying without any hesitation.
The SE5 should just take a slip of the paddle.

 

[yamahog]

Wow you think your winding out at 6500 rpm :yikes: Sorry I could not resist. I shift mine at 9000 rpm often and mine shifts clean and quick. When shifting normally the shift will take under 1/2 a second. But if your timing is just right and you roll off the throttle during your shift it will take a lot longer and feel like it is cutting out. Done that. So if that's not the problem I will throw out more complicated and expensive ideas at you..

Naw I don't consider that winding out just didn't word it right, I start noticing the problem around that range and the higher the revs when shifting the more noticeable the stall or what ever is going on is, if close to 9000 then its like I just killed the engine and downshifted at same time, it nose dives bad then kicks back in and takes off again,I always keep the throttle rolling on when shifting and in this case am at full throttle when it happens. I plan on calling dealer tomorrow but I will check oil level first since they just did the oil change too.:banghead: thanks to everyone for the responses this is getting interesting opcorn::bbq:

 

[Bob Denman]

Good Luck! Please let us know what is found! :thumbup:
The way you're describing this; it sounds as if your Transmission isn't quite getting the upshift done in the normal timely manner...
When mine did that; it was the oil level... :gaah:

 

[yamahog]

Good Luck! Please let us know what is found! :thumbup:
The way you're describing this; it sounds as if your Transmission isn't quite getting the upshift done in the normal timely manner...
When mine did that; it was the oil level... :gaah:

OK here is update I checked and topped of the oil it was down about 2 oz. took bike out this morning and did several different trial runs WOT from stop and rolling starts not quite WOT only time it stalled was at WOT after rear tire spin so I guess the rear tire is staying lose allot longer than I thought and causing NANNY to kick in :gaah: guess I will just have to learn not to use all the bikes power so I don't wake up NANNY I really like this bike but I think at some point I will have to part ways and go a different rout it is just too delicate for my taste and I would hate for this to happen just as I got on to highway from a short ramp with heavy traffic.

 

[billybovine]

Naw I don't consider that winding out just didn't word it right, I start noticing the problem around that range and the higher the revs when shifting the more noticeable the stall or what ever is going on is, if close to 9000 then its like I just killed the engine and downshifted at same time, it nose dives bad then kicks back in and takes off again,I always keep the throttle rolling on when shifting and in this case am at full throttle when it happens. I plan on calling dealer tomorrow but I will check oil level first since they just did the oil change too.:banghead: thanks to everyone for the responses this is getting interesting opcorn::bbq:

When I was having shifting trouble, (slow shifts and shift failures) the higher the rpm the less trouble I had. But you don't have any trouble at low rpm. Low oil is possible as Bob suggested, but bad oil, dirty oil filter, weak regulator spring are not likely, because they would show up at low rpm. So I'm not sure where to look next, so back to the dealer I think is the way to go. When you find the cause let us know.

 

[billybovine]

Hey you are posting at the same time I was so I did not see your answer. If it's the Nanny a amber icon will light up on the instrument cluster while the nanny is doing it's thing. Traction control will not kick in until you are doing 30 mph, so if you keep it straight the back tire will keep spinning. If you don't keep it straight, even if only by a little bit the stability control will kick in.

 

[Bob Denman]

Well I'm glad to hear that you're sorting it all out! :thumbup:
Run it through the bleach pit before any WFO runs! :2thumbs:

 

[yamahog]

Hey you are posting at the same time I was so I did not see your answer. If it's the Nanny a amber icon will light up on the instrument cluster while the nanny is doing it's thing. Traction control will not kick in until you are doing 30 mph, so if you keep it straight the back tire will keep spinning. If you don't keep it straight, even if only by a little bit the stability control will kick in.

Thanks for the post I didn't notice the amber light but will have to see if that is the case on next run.:spyder2:

 

[yamahog]

update

Been awhile and thought I would post update,I have finally figured out that the bike is not shifting at higher rpm, weather hasn't been all that great and needed a day where I didn't need helmet so I could see dash better, it starts to shift but gets stuck in first gear till rpm drops then I have to shift again after backing off the throttle, dealer said he will probably need to keep bike awhile, what ever that means, :gaah: but am taking it tomorrow while weather is calmed down and sunny so that maybe they can get bike done before riding season hits again, I ride around town unless it is raining or ice but would rather give it up for awhile now than spring, I will update again as soon as they let me know what is going on, thanks for all the post and hope I get to meet some of you at the spyder rally this year, already planning trip :yes::yes::clap:

 

[Bob Ledford]

One riders thoughts

Dont know if this would be clutch issue or nanny, since my 3000 mile service bike has been running so strong :2excited: that I have sacumed to my hot rod urges hyea:and tried to see just how much faster the bike has become, but now when I try to wind it out to around 6000 to 6500 rpm it falls flat on its face when I up shift, is this normal am I just pushing the auto shift beyond its capabilities :dontknow:? :chat:

You need to look at your rev limiter settings would be where i would start.

MY RT-L turns into a rev monster at 6,200 and gets really frisky.

Another tought would be a pinched or collapsing fuel line. Your fuel filter would be another place to check but it should be ok unless you got a load or two of bad fuel..

 

[TicketBait]

I am no mechanical expert, but had something similar happen to me where they replaced the shift linkage under warranty. I read your post as I am having hesitation & jerkiness when shifting, ( just started happening yesterday) so I checked oil and I was down a quart, will test it tomorrow and see if that fixed it.

good luck on your issue and thanks for keeping us updated. Too often we don't find out what the solution to the problem is. and also I ride my machine hard most of the time. I always like to be first off the line

 

[yamahog]

I am no mechanical expert, but had something similar happen to me where they replaced the shift linkage under warranty. I read your post as I am having hesitation & jerkiness when shifting, ( just started happening yesterday) so I checked oil and I was down a quart, will test it tomorrow and see if that fixed it.

good luck on your issue and thanks for keeping us updated. Too often we don't find out what the solution to the problem is. and also I ride my machine hard most of the time. I always like to be first off the line

That was first thing they asked me, had I checked the oil level, so hope that fixes your problem, I almost got into it with the mechanic when I took mine in, first thing he said was that I was probably winding first gear too high at 6000 to 6500 rpm :gaah: since he is going to be having his hands all over my ride I held my tongue and just said I was no where near red line and it wasn't doing this before the last update hope he actually knows what he is doing,
I will update again soon as I here from the dealer I miss my :spyder2: but guess I will go fire up the poor old neglected Yamay :doorag:.