So it's called the Ryker!

[Bob Denman]

They've been "testing" this package in the Cammander UTV for years: it's going to work out just fine!
Within of course: the limitations imposed by the parameters for what they perceive the target market is willing to buy...

 

[monkeyboymorton]

Look at the engine specs:

600cc ACE in-line two cylinder starting at $8499 - 47hp 35torque
900cc ACE in-line three cylinder starting at $9999 - 77hp 56 torque

Not much oomph going on there...…especially with a CVT where you can't drop a gear when passing, etc.

Such low torque won't bode well for off-roading.....


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Power to weight ratio on the 900 is actually nearly the same as an F3:

410KG / 115HP = 280 HP per tonne
280KG / 77HP = 275 HP per tonne

So it wil be pretty rapid up to 70MPH, especially with the CVT. Imagine it will then struggle beyond 70.

Looks fun to me - my wife wants one and with the easily adjusted UFIT I'll be able to ride it too

 

[Floridian2017]

Check dealer specials.. mine had 2017 base models for $9,700. Too good of a deal to pass up....:thumbup:.

Where did you get that deal? I have a friend looking to buy one.

 

[Highwayman2013]

Under the skin.

 

[Highwayman2013]

Yeah.. that, the single swingarm and the shaft drive are the only positives I see about this machine.
You lose a bunch of power using a swingarm, so I wouldn't think it will make it's way into an F3 until they get the engine into the 1800 range.

I'm not sure how you lose power with a swing arm. All the current spyders have swing arms.

 

[drhunt204]

I like the look going by limited viewing of one picture. I praise can am for introducing new models and attempting to widen the appeal of spyders to younger generations to help all of us. :riding:

 

[owcow]

So who wants to be the first to take one to Deadhorse up the Dalton Highway or to Tuk on the Dalton. That would be a good gravel test.

 

[jcthorne]

Dave,
It's NOTHING like your Suby's CVT. Ski Doo has been using this type of tranny in their snowmobile for over 60 years, and they've got it to the point where it's 100% reliable and smooth. :thumbup:

Automotive CVTs can only wish that they were half as good! nojoke

SkiDoo do not have a 100,000 mile life either. 20k is considered OLD. I have concerns with this CVT over the long haul on a road bike.

 

[ofdave]

You can find 2017 base model F3's brand new for under 10K right now......

can you show us where they can be had?

 

[Rob Rodriguez]

They've been "testing" this package in the Cammander UTV for years: it's going to work out just fine!
Within of course: the limitations imposed by the parameters for what they perceive the target market is willing to buy...

Testing in the sleds too since about 2012. I own a 900 ACE sled for my wife. My buddy has a Commander SxS. The setup works great in those vehicles as long as you're not looking for performance. They are both more utilitarian feeling (to me than) than fun. I'm not knocking the Ryker at all. It has potential and I'd love to ride one. All I can really say for sure is........ the other 2 BRP vehicles I have owned/used with this setup are very reliable. As long as you don't ask or expect too much from them they are fine for getting out and riding.

All that said, drop the 900 ACE Turbo at 147hp (detuned) in one and then you'd have much more of a performance machine. That might be the next logical step for the Ryker product line and in fact maybe the reason they started with the 600 and 900 engines?

I don't understand the ultra low seat height personally. I get it on a 2 wheeled bike. The entry level bikes are geared more toward women and less experienced riders and the lower seat height allows them to get to the ground easier or more comfortably. That's not an issue on a Spyder/Ryker. The only reason I see for the lower seat height in the Spyder/Ryker is to help with the centerfugal force feeling. BRP or the aftermarket needs to offer a kit that allows the rider to raise the seat up and down 1-4". Why would you want a "rally" bike with an ultra low seating position?

I don't understand the rally version either. I could be wrong but the only difference I see between the standard and rally version is the tires (more all season type tread), the wheel style (which I don't like, they came off my Toyota Tundra), the rally mode computer setting and some standard accessories (the hand guards and shell that holds the passenger seat and storage box). There is really nothing about it that makes it any more capable off road from what I can see and you could buy a standard Ryker and just add the options (maybe cheaper) and have the same bike. Unless I'm missing something?

 

[Rob Rodriguez]

SkiDoo do not have a 100,000 mile life either. 20k is considered OLD. I have concerns with this CVT over the long haul on a road bike.

I would agree with this. The setup is very reliable but not sure on the longevity. 20-30-40K miles seems like a lot for a CVT. I guess the only thing in my mind saying its not a big deal is the fact that you can replace the entire CVT setup for less than $1000

 

[monkeyboymorton]

I don't understand the rally version either. I could be wrong but the only difference I see between the standard and rally version is the tires (more all season type tread), the wheel style (which I don't like, they came off my Toyota Tundra), the rally mode computer setting and some standard accessories (the hand guards and shell that holds the passenger seat and storage box). There is really nothing about it that makes it any more capable off road from what I can see and you could buy a standard Ryker and just add the options (maybe cheaper) and have the same bike. Unless I'm missing something?

Well exactly, although it does have different adjustable shocks. Mostly marketing I think but every brand does it - you're just not taken in by it.

Every new iphone launch there is a new colour like they've reinvented the wheel. Just buy a case for the older model in whatever colour you want!!

 

[Bob Denman]

SkiDoo do not have a 100,000 mile life either. 20k is considered OLD. I have concerns with this CVT over the long haul on a road bike.

Belt technologies have improved dramatically in recent years...
And the CVT parts are more than easy to tinker with!

But these bikes won't be marketed to the high-mileage riders anyway.

 

[Firefly]

Where did you get that deal? I have a friend looking to buy one.

Leaders Marine Kalamazoo Michigan.

 

[Jid]

I am eager to see the performance stats and to find out how much drift mode really disabled the nanny. If the power is sufficient this could be my first Spyder. I almost bought an F3 but didn’t pull the trigger.

Love the idea of a Turbo 900... or of someone unlocking the computer to free up some power.

BTW - I like the look. Agree on the snowmobile qualities.

 

[Firefly]

can you show us where they can be had?

This was the ad from this summer..... I picked one up and I know I wasn't the only buyer to get this deal.
Leaders Marine in Kalamazoo Michigan...

 

[Firefly]

I am eager to see the performance stats and to find out how much drift mode really disabled the nanny. If the power is sufficient this could be my first Spyder. I almost bought an F3 but didn’t pull the trigger.

Love the idea of a Turbo 900... or of someone unlocking the computer to free up some power.

BTW - I like the look. Agree on the snowmobile qualities.

The computers can be reflashed to get more power.
Power Commander is coming out with a unit that lets you reflash things yourself.....

 

[Firefly]

I'm not sure how you lose power with a swing arm. All the current spyders have swing arms.

Correction--- what I meant was the SHAFT DRIVE.....

 

[Rob Rodriguez]

This was the ad from this summer..... I picked one up and I know I wasn't the only buyer to get this deal.
Leaders Marine in Kalamazoo Michigan...

Hell, wait a year and you can pick up the Ryker for $5-$8K (depending on model) at this pricing

 

[sharp]

RYKER

I wonder if it has reverse.