Dan McNally
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Walking out on the track during a race is just not done, and this is the reason why. It was getting dark, and he was wearing dark clothes . . . I don't think Tony Stewart saw him until it was too late.
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should Stewart be held accountable?
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ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Been away for a couple days. Heard about the incident this AM and now the information in this thread.
Lots of pro and con. Bad incident.
Going to just sit back and watch for a bit.
Lots of pro and con. Bad incident.
Going to just sit back and watch for a bit.
Bob Denman
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:shocked: A 20 year-old kid... :shocked:
How many of US knew which end was up, at that age? :dontknow:
Plenty of stupid on both sides of the fence here...
Calling this kid a "Punk"... :lecturef_smilie: NOT cool...
Polite people try to find ways to NOT disparage the deceased...
How many of US knew which end was up, at that age? :dontknow:
Plenty of stupid on both sides of the fence here...
Calling this kid a "Punk"... :lecturef_smilie: NOT cool...
Polite people try to find ways to NOT disparage the deceased...
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Bob Denman
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:shocked:...Painfully obvious... nojoke
Bob Denman
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Bill,
:gaah:There's nothing to be rolling around on the floor laughing about... nojoke
A young man has died.
I've actually reported your post to the Boss...
I suggest that you re-think some of what you've said.
:gaah:There's nothing to be rolling around on the floor laughing about... nojoke
A young man has died.
I've actually reported your post to the Boss...
I suggest that you re-think some of what you've said.
Trickie Dick
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I agree bob, what a classless thing to say.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Well, have had a few hours to think about things here.
My opinion: to add to those that have posted previously.
Tony Stewart has a reputation for being a hot head and willing to do payback either early on or later--depending on the situation.
I do believe that Tony was into immediate payback here with trying to spray dirt on the young man. I do not believe that killing the man was a part of it. It was a bad situation going very wrong.
I do believe that there should be consequences to the action. I am not calling for Tony Stewarts head, not calling for years in jail--but some time may be in order--if they can prove intent. That is going to be the hard part.
Suggest that Stewart be suspended from driving until this gets sorted out. Also am guessing that he has lawyered up big time.
My opinion: to add to those that have posted previously.
Tony Stewart has a reputation for being a hot head and willing to do payback either early on or later--depending on the situation.
I do believe that Tony was into immediate payback here with trying to spray dirt on the young man. I do not believe that killing the man was a part of it. It was a bad situation going very wrong.
I do believe that there should be consequences to the action. I am not calling for Tony Stewarts head, not calling for years in jail--but some time may be in order--if they can prove intent. That is going to be the hard part.
Suggest that Stewart be suspended from driving until this gets sorted out. Also am guessing that he has lawyered up big time.
SNOOPY
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I dont even know what you're talking about?
Im talking about some kid that knew better than to walk out on a live track and throw himself in front of a car ?
Even been on a race track Bob? I guess not. No sense in what this "punk" did.
Live or dead, he did wrong. Sorry that his family has to live through this bad decision he made.
Everyone here has given their thoughts and I didn't report them, why can't I give my thoughts?
unbelievable
bill pitman
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We'll....
the only person who knows what was on Tony Stewart's mind at the time ,
is Tony Stewart!
If there was no intent, then he can live with,
otherwise, well, we might see some changes in the person..
Bill
the only person who knows what was on Tony Stewart's mind at the time ,
is Tony Stewart!
If there was no intent, then he can live with,
otherwise, well, we might see some changes in the person..
Bill
flaggerphil
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[TD="class: alt1, bgcolor: #F5F5FF"]I'm the starter for three professional open wheel racing series and have been a starter since 1993...a professional starter since 1996. Before that I worked in flagging and communications with SCCA for ten years, and before that I drove in both road racing and dirt tracks (though not particularly well...).
Drivers are ALWAYS told to stay in the car after an accident when they are on a hot track or until someone can get to them, barring fire. In the car they are still belted in and have the cars roll cage around them. The driver who was killed broke a cardinal rule of safety by getting out on a hot track...a dirt track, no less, where cars are steered mostly by throttle (for those who claim they heard Stewarts engine rev just before the contact).
This incident was the kids fault, period. Not only do I not believe Stewart did this on purpose or tried to "scare" the kid, but the latest reports say the police do not believe Stewart did anything wrong. I wasn't there so I don't know, but in my experience I tend to go along with the police.
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[TD="class: alt1, bgcolor: #F5F5FF"]I'm the starter for three professional open wheel racing series and have been a starter since 1993...a professional starter since 1996. Before that I worked in flagging and communications with SCCA for ten years, and before that I drove in both road racing and dirt tracks (though not particularly well...).
Drivers are ALWAYS told to stay in the car after an accident when they are on a hot track or until someone can get to them, barring fire. In the car they are still belted in and have the cars roll cage around them. The driver who was killed broke a cardinal rule of safety by getting out on a hot track...a dirt track, no less, where cars are steered mostly by throttle (for those who claim they heard Stewarts engine rev just before the contact).
This incident was the kids fault, period. Not only do I not believe Stewart did this on purpose or tried to "scare" the kid, but the latest reports say the police do not believe Stewart did anything wrong. I wasn't there so I don't know, but in my experience I tend to go along with the police.
Racing is inherently dangerous, both for drivers, crew, and officials. Making it more dangerous than it needs to be often comes back at the person doing it.[/TD]
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SpyderAnn01
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I have typed and erased about 10 replies to this thread. I don't always agree with Snoopy but I don't see where there is anything that needs to be "reported to the boss" here. Bob, you obviously think that Tony Stewart was wrong and should be banned from racing forever and since Snoopy does not agree then he should be banned forever too? I'm sorry that the kid got killed but he made a really stupid move by getting out of his car during a night race on a dirt track.
Bob Denman
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Ann,
You're right; my initial feeling was that Tony may have been just a bit too "full of himself" at this event...
pps:
Since the video has hit the 'net; I admit that my first impression was WRONG! Mr. Ward; in a dark suit on a poorly lit-track, simply was looking for a confrontatuion with Tony. :shocked:
If he had a headset in his helmet (Most likely...), he was probably told something like, "Dude; you just got wrecked by Tony Stewart." Deciding to "take a chunk" out of this Big-Wig NASCAR racer; who was "cherry picking" at a hometown track... he made a horrible mistake.
I take umbrage over the classless categorization of the young man as a "punk"... :banghead:
You're right; my initial feeling was that Tony may have been just a bit too "full of himself" at this event...
pps:Since the video has hit the 'net; I admit that my first impression was WRONG! Mr. Ward; in a dark suit on a poorly lit-track, simply was looking for a confrontatuion with Tony. :shocked:
If he had a headset in his helmet (Most likely...), he was probably told something like, "Dude; you just got wrecked by Tony Stewart." Deciding to "take a chunk" out of this Big-Wig NASCAR racer; who was "cherry picking" at a hometown track... he made a horrible mistake.
I take umbrage over the classless categorization of the young man as a "punk"... :banghead:
Trickie Dick
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Again, I have to agree with Bob. I don't think anyone is saying the kid that died did the right thing. I just think he has not earned the title of "punk" from what I have read. I certainly don't think he deserves to be called this by someone who by his own admission, has been on the race track many times. Does being a young racer make you a punk? Does making a mistake in a fit of ire, make you a punk? Does dying because of that mistake make you a punk?
Don't worry snoopy, no one will accuse you of being polite. Insensitive yes, but polite no, you've got nothing to worry about.
Don't worry snoopy, no one will accuse you of being polite. Insensitive yes, but polite no, you've got nothing to worry about.
cuznjohn
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been quiet
i should not talk about this because i never watch racing, but from hearing what a hot head Stewart is and watching the vid of the guy getting hit by the car i really feel that it was done on purpose. i feel that he didn't want to kill the other driver but i do feel that he wanted to put him out of commission and it just turned out worse that he expected. when watching the vid it seems to me that he turned to hit the guy but i can be wrong. there has been no charges place on Stewart but that is not to say there might also be charges after the investigation. RIP to the driver that loss his life, he should of never walked into the track but we all get mad enough to do something stupid at times
i should not talk about this because i never watch racing, but from hearing what a hot head Stewart is and watching the vid of the guy getting hit by the car i really feel that it was done on purpose. i feel that he didn't want to kill the other driver but i do feel that he wanted to put him out of commission and it just turned out worse that he expected. when watching the vid it seems to me that he turned to hit the guy but i can be wrong. there has been no charges place on Stewart but that is not to say there might also be charges after the investigation. RIP to the driver that loss his life, he should of never walked into the track but we all get mad enough to do something stupid at times
flaggerphil
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I will just add I do not consider the kid a "punk," just a young racer who was full of himself and made a mistake that cost him his life. In the series' I work with (F2000, F1600 and Formula Atlantic...road racing series' that are steps up to Indy Car and European formula racing) if a driver pulled a stunt like that he would be penalized, fined and possibly suspended for at least a race. It is simply not allowed. And we have a LOT of young racers.
This young driver made a bad decision that ended up becoming a tragedy. But I would not call him a "punk."
FWIW.
This young driver made a bad decision that ended up becoming a tragedy. But I would not call him a "punk."
FWIW.
SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
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who the heck is stupid enough to run on an open track with cars running?!?
to me it sounds like suicide or road rage, it is a terrible tragedy but who can he or his family blame for him being stupid or
hot headed? A bigger tragedy is putting the blame on someone else for his mistake.
to me it sounds like suicide or road rage, it is a terrible tragedy but who can he or his family blame for him being stupid or
hot headed? A bigger tragedy is putting the blame on someone else for his mistake.
Bob Denman
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Hi John,
I was under the original impression that the swerve of his car was setting himself up to roost Mr. Ward.
After watching it several more times, and trying to put everything into the proper context; I think that was him trying to swerve to avoid the sudden appearance of a person on the track in front of him... :shocked:
Most of us would react in a very "un-smooth" manner, if confronted by a stiuation like that...
My opinion, is that's what it seems that Tony was doing: reacting as best he could to a surprise situation on the track.
I was under the original impression that the swerve of his car was setting himself up to roost Mr. Ward.
After watching it several more times, and trying to put everything into the proper context; I think that was him trying to swerve to avoid the sudden appearance of a person on the track in front of him... :shocked:
Most of us would react in a very "un-smooth" manner, if confronted by a stiuation like that...
My opinion, is that's what it seems that Tony was doing: reacting as best he could to a surprise situation on the track.
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