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Rykers Require 87 Octane - Not 92!
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Is that a picture of you wacking your donkey?
I don't know if this applies or not but just personal experience.
In my past I purchased a Honda 200X from a guy who raced it when I was in high school. He said it had 12.5:1 ratio piston with aftermarket cam with the supertrap pipe. It was raced side by side on flat road with a year newer model and it beat it overall by about a length, nothing spectacular, but definitely faster off the line. It kicked like a mule to start and mostly I preferred to park it on hills if I could to bump start. I do know one thing, we used higher octane fuel religiously. If I didn't use it, the ping was horrible, you though the engine was ready to blow. Also more noticeable in hot summer weather. It also went through head gaskets quickly.
I have 2K on my Rally. I've been running 87. I'll continue to do so, I'm broke I own a motorcycle now.
In my past I purchased a Honda 200X from a guy who raced it when I was in high school. He said it had 12.5:1 ratio piston with aftermarket cam with the supertrap pipe. It was raced side by side on flat road with a year newer model and it beat it overall by about a length, nothing spectacular, but definitely faster off the line. It kicked like a mule to start and mostly I preferred to park it on hills if I could to bump start. I do know one thing, we used higher octane fuel religiously. If I didn't use it, the ping was horrible, you though the engine was ready to blow. Also more noticeable in hot summer weather. It also went through head gaskets quickly.
I have 2K on my Rally. I've been running 87. I'll continue to do so, I'm broke I own a motorcycle now.
bcraig
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Use what ever octane that gives you the performance you are happy with. It costs me another $2.50 to fill my Ryker 600 tank with premium. Whether it is perceived better performance or not, I feel better about it and it's my penny saved or not. My last tank of premium got me 183 miles when the low fuel light came on. It took 4.5 gallons to fill it up. That's over 40 mpg. Miles to Empty showed I still had another 45 miles. I'm going to continue using premium. I'm just over 300 miles on my bike so MPGs should only improve.
Aufgeblassen47
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A myth that premium gives better MPG is one of the 7 myths along with buying the cheapest gas around is not as good as the most expensive in town:
https://www2.greencarreports.com/news/1077286_busted-7-things-that-wont-improve-your-gas-mileage
https://www2.greencarreports.com/news/1077286_busted-7-things-that-wont-improve-your-gas-mileage
bcraig
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I'm a fan of fiction. Use what suits you, I will.
:agree:
And that said, we will each run what we think is best, real world experiences or not (and my Ryker will run on 87, with or without ethanol.) Speaking of "crap I read on the internet..." This thread has more than its share. 48 posts and not one convert from 91 (92) to 87 or vice versa!
And that said, we will each run what we think is best, real world experiences or not (and my Ryker will run on 87, with or without ethanol.) Speaking of "crap I read on the internet..." This thread has more than its share. 48 posts and not one convert from 91 (92) to 87 or vice versa!
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Aufgeblassen47
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People tend to stubbornly defend what they do because "they've always done it that way" despite the facts contrary. It really is true you can't teach old dogs new tricks. :dontknow:
BajaRon
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It goes back to Minimum Requirements vs Optimal Options. Yes, you can run ethanol fuel with an octane rating as low as 87 in the Ryker. The ECU is designed to compensate for the less than optimal octane component. But if you want optimal performance you will need to use Premium Octane fuel. And, knowing the attributes of both fuel types. Using non-ethanol fuel will give you the best results. It's simply a matter of physics. You just can't change physical realities with opinions.
However, the next potential fly in the ointment and legitimate question is, how much difference will using optimal fuel make over using the minimum requirement fuel? This is where the factual debate lies.
Aufgeblassen47
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It will be small and not actually noticeable, really. Not worth the hefty price difference.
BajaRon
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I would love to see documentation on this. The physics are there. The rest is speculation and opinion until someone takes the time to do some research. Otherwise, BRP is simply recommending premium fuel to increase the cost of owning a Ryker.
Not saying you're wrong. Just saying...
Aufgeblassen47
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They are not actually recommending premium They are recommending 87, but saying it is "OK" to use premium, just to satisfy every customer.
They would have said to use premium, and that using 87 was "OK", if that was the best way to go.
wingit3611
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wingit3611
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That's only If they have a knock sensor. Did the 2013, 998's have knock sensors ? Do the 1330's have knock sensors ?
wingit3611
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Does it really? What is the knock sensor Part number?
BajaRon
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I draw your attention to the last line, bottom left of this web page.
https://can-am.brp.com/content/dam/...Can-Am_Spyder_MY19_Ryker_Spec Sheet_EN_LR.pdf
djdilliodon
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To my knowledge, the only engines that will benefit from using higher octane gas is those that are higher compression, use forced induction, and experience knock with regular gas. There should be no gain in performance, gas mileage, or engine life otherwise. My Audi is turboed along with being modified and tuned. It’s setup to run on 93, if I tried to run it on 87 it would run like you know what lol. Before modifications I’ve run it on both 87 and 93 and there was a difference! Under boost on 87 the car seemed to hesitate while running on 93 she was smooth and linear. My older car wasn’t turbo and there was no difference at all regardless what I put in it. I’ve seen tests (I’m sure this can be found on YouTube) on the cleaning properties of 87 vs 93 octane and the higher octane gas with the added detergents do clean a good amount better. In my car though due to how it’s injected, the valves will get carbon build up no matter what and will require manual cleaning between 30-60k miles.
Aufgeblassen47
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"It's true that premium gas does contain special or extra detergents, but in our opinion they're of no additional benefit. ... These days, all of the gasoline from the major gas companies contain more than enough detergents to keep your engine clean. Period."
https://www.cartalk.com/content/premium-vs-regular-0
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