Rykers Require 87 Octane - Not 92!

[jcthorne]

Just curious, has anyone looked at the emissions certification label ON THE BIKE? It specifies the required octane fuel for the bike as shipped and superceedes the owners manual. Would not be the first time BRP sold a bike that was certified for one thing and the owners manuals were out of date or in error.

Could someone post a pic of the label from a Ryker 600 and 900?

 

[KC61]

:gaah: ...DO NOT - repeat - DO NOT ...put that in your Spyder ….. or any other gas engine that isn't specifically designed to use it ….. Mike hyea:

Well, since he is in the Ryker forum and there is absolutely nothing wrong with using ethanol free 87 octane in his Ryker what's the problem?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Well, since he is in the Ryker forum and there is absolutely nothing wrong with using ethanol free 87 octane in his Ryker what's the problem?

Well after your comment I re-read that post …… I have NEVER even heard of …87 e-free …. I have heard of 87 PURE Gas and " 85 " E-free ….. which should only be used in veh's CERTIFIED to use 85 E-free …… Mike hyea:

 

[bcraig]

Well after your comment I re-read that post …… I have NEVER even heard of …87 e-free …. I have heard of 87 PURE Gas and " 85 " E-free ….. which should only be used in veh's CERTIFIED to use 85 E-free …… Mike hyea:

I think you are confusing E85 (85% Ethenol) and e-free (ethanol free)

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I think you are confusing E85 (15% Ethonol) and e-free (ethanol free)

Yep I was ….. almost all the gas available in Vermont isn't advertised as 87 e-free ….. they just say UN-LEADED 87 octane then on the pump it says contains no more than 10% ethyl ………… I hope this ends this conversation …… Mike hyea:

 

[JAS POWER]

I think you are confusing E85 (15% Ethonol) and e-free (ethanol free)

E10 = 10% Ethanol

E15 = 15% Ethanol

E85 = 85% Ethanol

E-Free = 0% Ethanol

 

[JAS POWER]

Yep I was ….. almost all the gas available in Vermont isn't advertised as 87 e-free ….. they just say UN-LEADED 87 octane then on the pump it says contains no more than 10% ethyl ………… I hope this ends this conversation …… Mike hyea:

I believe you have E10 fuel from what you are explaining, which is 10% ethanol. If you had E-free it would not state that it contains no more than 10% ethyl (ethanol) I think the statement E-free is just "street" talk I have never seen it on a pump in Wisconsin even in the areas (counties) that are not mandated to have to sell fuel with ethanol.

 

[bcraig]

E10 = 10% Ethanol

E15 = 15% Ethanol

E85 = 85% Ethanol

E-Free = 0% Ethanol

I stand corrected. Thanks

 

[coinoperatedboi]

I believe you have E10 fuel from what you are explaining, which is 10% ethanol. If you had E-free it would not state that it contains no more than 10% ethyl (ethanol) I think the statement E-free is just "street" talk I have never seen it on a pump in Wisconsin even in the areas (counties) that are not mandated to have to sell fuel with ethanol





Street talk being that it's not true or....? I just put 87 ethanol free in my Zuma this morning. It's a completely separate blue handled pump.

 

[coinoperatedboi]

I believe you have E10 fuel from what you are explaining, which is 10% ethanol. If you had E-free it would not state that it contains no more than 10% ethyl (ethanol) I think the statement E-free is just "street" talk I have never seen it on a pump in Wisconsin even in the areas (counties) that are not mandated to have to sell fuel with ethanol





Street talk being that it's not true or....? I just put 87 ethanol free in my Zuma this morning. It's a completely separate blue handled pump.

Eh I think I get what you're saying to the other poster. Way it's worded I guess sounded odd.

 

[KC61]

Our Quiktrip convenience stores around KC have the non ethanol 87 as a separate nozzle. It's a little more expensive but not much.

 

[JAS POWER]

Eh I think I get what you're saying to the other poster. Way it's worded I guess sounded odd.

What I was getting at with "street talk" was the phrase "E-free" in Wisconsin we also have 87 without ethanol (E-free 87), but on the pump it will say contains no ethanol, not E-free.

 

[KC61]

The BP stations around here have non ethanol premium 91, that's what I put in my bike and my wifes Tiguan. The Ryker will get the same.

 

[coinoperatedboi]

What I was getting at with "street talk" was the phrase "E-free" in Wisconsin we also have 87 without ethanol (E-free 87), but on the pump it will say contains no ethanol, not E-free.

Ah I gotcha. Yeah ours say Ethanol Free here.

 

[McRuss]

I thought this thread was dead....finding it still alive, I decided to throw a little 'fuel' on the fire! I ordered the 'shop manual' and was reading through it tonight and came across this tidbit:

"Gasoline Type: Regular Unleaded"
"Minimum octane rating, 87 (No ethanol), 91 (10% ethanol)." This is for US/Canada models.

And that being said, I'm still going to run 87 (10% ethanol) in my Rally.

 

[mrNewt]

I guess at this point it is safe to say is OK to use any type of gas as long is 87+... final decision is up to each individual .

 

[LifeLongRider]

The Rotax 1330 ACE engine is running 12:1 compression (see pic below). Todays engine management systems incorporate knock sensors. When knock is detected (primarily due to lower octane fuel than specified) timing is automatically retarded to reduce knock. When no knock is detected, well you guessed it, timing is not retarded. The owners manual for us 1330 owners specifically states "premium" fuel for a very good reason. A compression ration of 12:1 is definitely in "premium" territory. Will is run on 87 octane, sure. Will is run more efficiently on premium, you bet. May not be something you can feel but your engine knows the difference.

Haven't investigated what the compression ratio is on the two Ryder engines but if their calling for "regular" fuel you can bet it's not 12:1 like the 1330.

 

[wingit3611]

hypurone: Great info. Thanks. Tells me you shouldn't get any knocking from 87 octane.

 

[vstrommer]

:bdh:

 

[Nobodyjj]

Technically depends what part of the world you are in. Different calculations of octane depending on area!