jcthorne
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Go read the engine and emissions label on the frame under the seat (RT) or in the Frunk (F3). Requires IS the correct word. It changed in 2013 when the compression ratio went up.
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Go read the engine and emissions label on the frame under the seat (RT) or in the Frunk (F3). Requires IS the correct word. It changed in 2013 when the compression ratio went up.
jcthorne
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Chitina AK, you get some kind of gas from a 150 gallon or so tank with a hose attached. :thumbup: It worked okay in our Spyders.
If I get to ride to Chitina AK I will NOT complain about the gas!
bmccaffrey
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LIVING IN THE LAND OF OZ
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT SHE SAY :roflblack:
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT SHE SAY :roflblack:
Easy Rider
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I just did......and the word "required" is not on there. Neither is recommended.
I am not arguing that the engine design does not require 91 octane; I don't know if it does or not.
BRP does not say that it is "required". If it is, they should simply say THAT and not "recommended".
I personally will not be taking the chance........as all engine knock is not necessarily audible to the operator.......and the spark retardation thing does NOTHING if it is real pre-spark compression detonation.
Spyder_Cowgirl
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Pure Gas
We are lucky enough to own a ranch and have our gas delivered .... it is all non-ethanol (yes, we pay a premium price about 10 to 15 cents more per gallon, depending on what the going rate for a particular truck load is). Generally, we get premium (91 octane) ... but sometimes get the mid-range because both of our other vehicles (non-motorcycle) only recommend 89 octane. I do not notice a difference in mileage on mid-range, but the 1330 Engine just seems to "like" the higher octane (it just "feels" stronger). Now, when we are not able to get "pure gas" we will always fill with 91 (or higher) octane, if it is available.
Does the lack of ethanol in most of our fill-ups play into using (or not) the "recommended" 91 octane? :hun:
Inquiring minds want to know .... thank you ..... Ann
We are lucky enough to own a ranch and have our gas delivered .... it is all non-ethanol (yes, we pay a premium price about 10 to 15 cents more per gallon, depending on what the going rate for a particular truck load is). Generally, we get premium (91 octane) ... but sometimes get the mid-range because both of our other vehicles (non-motorcycle) only recommend 89 octane. I do not notice a difference in mileage on mid-range, but the 1330 Engine just seems to "like" the higher octane (it just "feels" stronger). Now, when we are not able to get "pure gas" we will always fill with 91 (or higher) octane, if it is available.
Does the lack of ethanol in most of our fill-ups play into using (or not) the "recommended" 91 octane? :hun:
Inquiring minds want to know .... thank you ..... Ann
Easy Rider
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In a word, NO.
But others will no doubt need a few thousand words just to say that........or to refute it.
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Triple B
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or three words..........91 is 91In a word, NO.
But others will no doubt need a few thousand words just to say that........or to refute it.
BajaRon
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It has always amazed me that people have problems with all of this. If you just stick with the facts it's not that complicated.
Ethanol has less energy potential than does gasoline. So there is going to be a reduction in power output when ethanol fuel is used. The higher the ethanol content, the greater the power loss when compared to using straight gasoline of the same octane. Just a physical reality.
Octane is not a measurement of energy potential. It is a measurement of the fuels ability to resist early ignition at high compression. When you compress a gas you raise the temperature. The fuel charge in a modern gasoline engine is designed to fire at precisely the right time by a computerized ignition system. Not by reaching ignition temperature, but by the spark from a spark plug. The spark is designed to push a small portion of the fuel mixture well above the ignition temperature setting off a chain reaction which ignites the entire fuel charge.
If the fuel reaches its ignition point from compression heating rather than the spark plug it will ignite too soon. If the fuel charge ignites before the piston has reached the top of its stroke, the energy released attempts to turn the engine backwards. This is very detrimental and can destroy an engine.
Engines are designed to run most efficiently and produce the maximum amount of power using a particular Octane rating. But since computers control ignition these days. And since computers can be programmed to compensate for less than ideal conditions and since pre-ignition can potentially be so detrimental and since manufactures know that people will not (of their own choice or out of necessity) always use the correct octane rated fuel. So they have programmed the system to retard ignition if pre-ignition conditions are present. Retarding ignition reduces power output and also reduces fuel temperatures.
So, the bottom line is as follows.
You can run pretty much any ethanol mixed fuel (no more than 10% ethanol) that is commercially available for automobiles and your Spyder will run just fine.
If you run a lower octane than the engine is designed for the computer will compensate and you will lose power and fuel mileage. This is just a physical reality.
If you run a higher octane than the engine is designed for you are wasting your money.
Your Spyder will produce more power and get better fuel mileage with straight gasoline than it will with an ethanol mixed fuel. Another physical reality.
Ethanol has less energy potential than does gasoline. So there is going to be a reduction in power output when ethanol fuel is used. The higher the ethanol content, the greater the power loss when compared to using straight gasoline of the same octane. Just a physical reality.
Octane is not a measurement of energy potential. It is a measurement of the fuels ability to resist early ignition at high compression. When you compress a gas you raise the temperature. The fuel charge in a modern gasoline engine is designed to fire at precisely the right time by a computerized ignition system. Not by reaching ignition temperature, but by the spark from a spark plug. The spark is designed to push a small portion of the fuel mixture well above the ignition temperature setting off a chain reaction which ignites the entire fuel charge.
If the fuel reaches its ignition point from compression heating rather than the spark plug it will ignite too soon. If the fuel charge ignites before the piston has reached the top of its stroke, the energy released attempts to turn the engine backwards. This is very detrimental and can destroy an engine.
Engines are designed to run most efficiently and produce the maximum amount of power using a particular Octane rating. But since computers control ignition these days. And since computers can be programmed to compensate for less than ideal conditions and since pre-ignition can potentially be so detrimental and since manufactures know that people will not (of their own choice or out of necessity) always use the correct octane rated fuel. So they have programmed the system to retard ignition if pre-ignition conditions are present. Retarding ignition reduces power output and also reduces fuel temperatures.
So, the bottom line is as follows.
You can run pretty much any ethanol mixed fuel (no more than 10% ethanol) that is commercially available for automobiles and your Spyder will run just fine.
If you run a lower octane than the engine is designed for the computer will compensate and you will lose power and fuel mileage. This is just a physical reality.
If you run a higher octane than the engine is designed for you are wasting your money.
Your Spyder will produce more power and get better fuel mileage with straight gasoline than it will with an ethanol mixed fuel. Another physical reality.
RinconRyder
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I live in the lower mainland of British Columbia, Canadaand it costs approximately $4.00 more per fillup for premium gas instead of regular. My point is "why take a chance".
Izzat your dollars or ours?
And a related question.....do the Canadian provinces have their own added fuel taxes or is it standard across the country? In the States those taxes make a difference in what we pay for gas.
bcer960
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I live only a couple hours east of TripleB (Kamloops B.C.) Not only do the different provinces, but different areas within the provinces have different taxes on fuel. For instance in "The lower mainland" Vancouver and area, the fuel surcharge is 47cents per litre, or about 41% of the cost of a litre of gas. (Totally criminal) 17 cents of this is to pay for mass transit in the region (which you aren't using if you are driving a vehicle). As I write this gas in Kamloops is $104.9 a litre, and it's 125.9 in Vancouver. That's $3.137 a gallon in Kamloops and $4.759 a gallon in Vancouver. (both in Canadian dollars) Oh, and that's for regular gas, not premium....Izzat your dollars or ours?
And a related question.....do the Canadian provinces have their own added fuel taxes or is it standard across the country? In the States those taxes make a difference in what we pay for gas.
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Triple B
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Izzat your dollars or ours?
And a related question.....do the Canadian provinces have their own added fuel taxes or is it standard across the country? In the States those taxes make a difference in what we pay for gas.
My dollar, but so what...we all base all things on our own dollar whether in the US or in Canada. A dollar is still a dollar. If you were to come to Canada, you would only pay approx .12 cents US more. Each Province sets it's own fuel taxes. We pay more than Alberta does, and so on.
Triple B
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Oops. That should be .12 cents per litre more, not just .12 cents. Roughly speaking maybe 3.00 dollars US per fill, depending on exchange rate. My point is it isn't all that much more when you consider what you initially paid for your Spyder. Go to Starbucks every day, how much does that cost you?
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